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pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
Originally posted by cattitude
I'd say the first website, the ATTT site, isn't really accurate. It is for the dogs they actually tested but isn't that a voluntary test? One that the owners take the dogs to. So you really wouldn't take a dog there if you didn't think it would pass, right? Maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not "anti" any specific breed but I stand by my opinion that the "dangerous" dogs come from inexperienced/irresponsible breeders and/or owners. It just so happens that when you get a nasty pitbull or that type of breed, where the jaw power is so strong, they're going to do more damage than the little doxie or cocker spaniel.

Voluntary or not it's still accurate. No one may bring in a dog that they "think" is agressive but since dogs of all breeds do fail the test it proves that there are agressive dogs of all breeds. It also speaks volumes for breeds that are labled as agressive such as Pit Bulls. Voluntary or not they still had a passing rate that was much better then a lot of breeds that aren't deemed "agressive".

I agree with you that certain breeds are capable of doing more damage. In the second link I posted it says that while Pit Bulls are the most frequent biters they are the most frequently fatal when they do bite. It's the ability. In my opinion ALL agressive dogs should be put down. I don't care if it's a Toy Poodle or a Pit Bull. I'm also FOR breed ban legislation in some cities to reduce not only agressive but also abused dogs. The bottom line is it comes down to owner responsibility and let's face it there's just not enough responsible pet owners out there. :frown:
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
Originally posted by pixiegirl
Voluntary or not it's still accurate.

I don't think so. I think the "bite cite" you posted is more accurate. Granted you get an average but some breeds had over 2,000 dogs tested where the Stafforshire Terrier only had 51. Sure, you get a percentage but I'd like to see what the percentage would be if all the breeds had the same numbers tested. Am I looking at this wrong?
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
Originally posted by appyday
as I am in a postition to get bit all the time I am very leary of the (like I dont reach in to the back of the cage to grab)

Chows...Rotties...pitts...but I have NEVER had one of those bite me.

the damn little poodles and chihuahuas and cockers get me all the time...:bawl:

Funny, years (and years) ago, I worked at a vet's office. I went to a cage to retrieve a dog, a Cocker and the thing chomped down on my hand and arm for all he was worth. I was totally panicked...then I realized the poor thing only had about two teeth. :lmao:
 

RoseRed

American Beauty
PREMO Member
Originally posted by cattitude
Funny, years (and years) ago, I worked at a vet's office. I went to a cage to retrieve a dog, a Cocker and the thing chomped down on my hand and arm for all he was worth. I was totally panicked...then I realized the poor thing only had about two teeth. :lmao:
:lol: Got gummed did ya! :lol:
 

Hello6

Princess of Mean
I'll attest to the insaneness of a dachshund. My little 10 year old is a biter. She does warn you though: If she's growling, hands off! It's like that documentery on PBS, Shelter Dogs, when the woman kept poking at the dog with the fake hand. Ya keep pokin at something, it's bound to bite ya!
 

Tonio

Asperger's Poster Child
Originally posted by SuperGrover
i'm disappointed with this thread, i was hoping for someone to post the breaded dog recipe :frown:

Would it be gross to suggest relieving the dog overpopulation problem by sending homeless dogs to Korea, since shelters euthanize them anyway?

(I think it's funny that we laugh at Korea for eating dogs, when in India they probably think we're barbarians for eating steak and burgers.)
 

Hello6

Princess of Mean
Korean Food Translation

bo-shin tang = [literally] protect-body tonic/soup (made of dog meat) {traditionally eaten in June to beat the heat}
sa-cheol tang = [literally] four-season tonic/soup (made of dog meat) {probably the name was invented to increase sales in other seasons besides Summer}
 
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pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
Originally posted by cattitude
I don't think so. I think the "bite cite" you posted is more accurate. Granted you get an average but some breeds had over 2,000 dogs tested where the Stafforshire Terrier only had 51. Sure, you get a percentage but I'd like to see what the percentage would be if all the breeds had the same numbers tested. Am I looking at this wrong?


I agree that it would be better if all the dogs had the same number. But Pit Bulls had over 400 tested. That's a pretty healthy number compared to a lot of the rest. My point was I don't think that anyone who thought they had an aggressive dog would test them regardless of breed. And Pit Bulls are known to be an agressive breed in general. These statistics show that breeds that are not typically considered agressive can and do higher percentages of agressive dogs. I don't know if that makes sense or not. Maybe I'm not able to word it correctly. :frown: Hmmmm, lemme see how I can put it better. Take the Shetland Sheepdog for example. Not considered an "aggressive" breed (least I've never heard of them being considered aggressive) they had 426 dogs tested and a passing rate of 66% percent. That's a comperable number of dogs to the APBT at 405 but with a passing rate of 83%. Mind you that's just one example but to me it says that in general the "aggressive" label that the APBT is innaccurate as a "non aggressive" breed has a passing rate of far less. Hopefully that made sense. I know what I'm thinking I just don't know if I'm conveying it effectively.
 

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
Originally posted by Hello6
I'll attest to the insaneness of a dachshund. My little 10 year old is a biter. She does warn you though: If she's growling, hands off! It's like that documentery on PBS, Shelter Dogs, when the woman kept poking at the dog with the fake hand. Ya keep pokin at something, it's bound to bite ya!

I agree and I also think that in tempermeant testing dogs for food aggression after they've been taking out of neglectful situations where they weren't fed properly is a little off. I think that the dogs should be given a lot of extra time and be worked with before being labeled "food aggressive" and put to sleep. If I'd been starved then suddenly been given food and someone tried to take it away from me I'd bite their hand off too. :mad:
 

SuperGrover

jack of all trades
Re: Korean Food Translation

Originally posted by Hello6
bo-shin tang = [literally] protect-body tonic/soup (made of dog meat) {traditionally eaten in June to beat the heat}
sa-cheol tang = [literally] four-season tonic/soup (made of dog meat) {probably the name was invented to increase sales in other seasons besides Summer}


interesting read:

Dog Meat: Cultural Bias & Food Choices
I received the following email from a Korean student, and published it along with my response in the weekly newsletter. Below my response are two contrasting emails I received from subscribers.
I felt that all of this might be of interest to others.

QUESTION: Hello, I'm a student that I love my country, korea. So I have a question about our culture. Getting to the point, it's our dogmeat culture that is being issued these days.
Dogs are specially bred to be eaten in South Korea, notably in poshintang, literally 'body preservation stew,' which advocates say is good for your health and is considered a delicacy by some.
What causes particular alarm abroad and among animal rights activists in South Korea is the illegal way some dogs are killed to make the meat more tender -- by beating, burning or hanging. Seoul has also vowed to stamp out those practices.
In my opinion , however, Eating dog meat is a Korean custom, and doing so is our choice to make. The fact that our culture is unlike those of other countries does not make it wrong or inferior, that I thought. And what do you think of it? Please answer me logically, in detail. so I appreciate you.

ANSWER: I am in total agreement with you. Eating dogs is neither wrong nor inferior.

There is no difference with raising dogs, cows, kangaroos, cats, camels, rats, horses, or any other animal for food purposes.

Different cultures have different animals they have traditionally raised for food.

Misunderstanding arises because most cultures have settled on cattle, pigs, and sheep as their primary source of meat. Add to this the fact that most cultures view the dog as a 'pet', and many people take the totally incorrect view that eating dog meat is wrong.

Most western cultures also take the same view today about eating horse meat, although not that long ago, this was considered acceptable.

There are cultures that draw and drink blood from their horses as a primary nutrition source. This is also different, but not wrong or inferior.

People who view the raising and eating of animals such as dogs, horses, camels, cats, rats, kangaroos, etc. as wrong, are reacting emotionally from their own cultural bias.

Unfortunately, because of the status of dogs as household pets in many cultures, most people in these cultures will continue to view the practice as wrong.

I personally would not like to see the practice discontinued, because this would diminish the cultural diversity in the world. And when this happens, we all lose.

(I vehemently condemn all inhumane treatment of any animal being raised for food - such as the practice of beating, burning or hanging the animals - whether they are dogs, cows or any other animal. Some of the practices of the veal (and poultry) industry in the United States are also inhumane, and I condemn them also.)
Chef James

http://www.foodreference.com/html/artdogmeat.html
 

Hello6

Princess of Mean
I would like to see the numbers of UNPROVOKED attacks. The kind where dude's just walking down the street and out of nowhere the dog comes and gets him. The "Timmy was just playing in the yard and the dog attacked him" vs "Timmy was throwing rocks at the dog and out of nowhere the dog bit him!"
 

Hello6

Princess of Mean
I've heard that dog eating as part of a culture thing before.....can't verify what I'm posting but I read that it was done when the people were starving to death during the Korean war.
*Pixie* There's a sausage joke to be made there.
 

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
Originally posted by Hello6
I would like to see the numbers of UNPROVOKED attacks. The kind where dude's just walking down the street and out of nowhere the dog comes and gets him. The "Timmy was just playing in the yard and the dog attacked him" vs "Timmy was throwing rocks at the dog and out of nowhere the dog bit him!"

Unfortunately the statistics are always going to be off. Human error being to blame. #1 People can't identify most breeds of dogs effectively and #2 cause little Timmy's not going to own up to provoking a dog. His story's always going to be that he was just walking by minding his own business when out of no where a big bad dog attacked him.
 

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
Originally posted by Hello6

*Pixie* There's a sausage joke to be made there.

:yikes: I'll start by eating my words. I'll like a nice leg steak. Really how much meat could you get off a person? What's edible compared to like beef or pork? I mean I guess you could eat just about everything but the bone but like to make a steak or something? The legs and the butt would be about the only place to get a decent piece of meat. It's the muscle you'd eat right? That's what we eat on cows isn't it? The muscle? Would we have rib meat like other animals? I don't think people would be very good for eating. :ohwell:
 
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