Speed Monitoring Violation

glhs837

Power with Control
Yeah, there's a little town just north of the Redskin's stadium ( I am not sure the name of it) which has NO school zones any where around. The "speed" camera is "hidden behind a bush." But, yet they are getting away with it because the little town has Code Home Rule, whereas they created their own laws. This happens to be the same thing that St. Mary's is trying to do.

What is the source of this information? I'm pretty sure code rule does not allow you to just make up any law you wish. Is the name of the town New Carrolton? They did get a bit hasty early on and place some cameras before they got around to making them school zones. And they were the first to ticket folks for simply not stopping before the stop line. And being shady as eff in how they contractually handle tickets and the Chief of Police was caught lying flat out to the press about who actually operates the system.

http://www.mddriversalliance.org/search/label/New Carrollton

But more likely, you are talking about Glenarden..... where they even put the fact that they were making new school zones soley for speed cameras, and nobody cares......

http://wjla.com/news/local/glenarden-speed-cameras-placed-in-areas-without-schools-75372

http://www.optotraffic.com/news/new...-deploys-newest-addition-to-speed-camera-line

http://www.cityofglenarden.org/userfiles/file/R-34-2010.pdf


Now, shift back and forth between these two images, one is Glenardens school zones made for speed cams, and the other is the boundaries of the town. As you can see, the whole freakin town is inside of one of them.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/G...2!3m1!1s0x89b7c05cfb07e957:0x11179326ba46ed61

http://www.cityofglenarden.org/userfiles/file/Code_Enforcement/GlenardenSchoolZone05202010.pdf
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
Now, shift back and forth between these two images, one is Glenardens school zones made for speed cams, and the other is the boundaries of the town. As you can see, the whole freakin town is inside of one of them.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/G...2!3m1!1s0x89b7c05cfb07e957:0x11179326ba46ed61

http://www.cityofglenarden.org/userfiles/file/Code_Enforcement/GlenardenSchoolZone05202010.pdf

I guess they could put a camera on I-495 since it slices through their town limits.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
If I may ...
I'd collect the fine from the person driving your vehicle and move on. The aggravation of contesting it isn't worth it.
Why give those that institute these theft devises the satisfaction of payment? If enough people actually got pissed enough to challenge these, then maybe they would disappear due to the private collection business, (the camera placement company), going bankrupt. Too many just accept being shafted. The aggravation of contesting it might not be worth it to some, but the idea of shafting those in government and a complicit business entity by contesting and challenging is far more satisfying to many others. But then again, there are many that love having their rectal sphincter be torn by government at every chance without complaint, all because, "The aggravation of contesting it isn't worth it."
 

glhs837

Power with Control
In places where the great majority of the money is being made from pass-through commuters, and it's applicable to Forest Heights, Glenarden, and all of DC, gathering enough public opposition to kill them is tough.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
Question, I heard someone say they think they might be getting a ticket, they saw the flash in their rear view but it was a split second after they were passed
Is it possible that a speeding vehicle could get lucky and have their ticket sent to the vehicle they passed if the timing was right?
 

bilbur

New Member
The only question I would have is, was the person driving the vehicle speeding? If so, pay the ticket, if not, fight the ticket. I would fight it if I wasn't speeding even if it cost me over the $40 out of principal but if I was speeding I would just pay it. I have no problem paying for the consequences of my actions.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
The only question I would have is, was the person driving the vehicle speeding? If so, pay the ticket, if not, fight the ticket. I would fight it if I wasn't speeding even if it cost me over the $40 out of principal but if I was speeding I would just pay it. I have no problem paying for the consequences of my actions.

Well, you commute through an area five days a week, and you get a ticket from a day last month. Would you really be able to say if you were speeding on that particular day? Unless you blow through at +15 every day, or normally drive exactly the speed limit but that day you were dodging a meteorite and dropped the hammer. If you are like most folks, holding say 8-10 over, a minor bleed over to 12 might not even be a thing you remember. It's not like they express the citation to you.
 

bilbur

New Member
Well, you commute through an area five days a week, and you get a ticket from a day last month. Would you really be able to say if you were speeding on that particular day? Unless you blow through at +15 every day, or normally drive exactly the speed limit but that day you were dodging a meteorite and dropped the hammer. If you are like most folks, holding say 8-10 over, a minor bleed over to 12 might not even be a thing you remember. It's not like they express the citation to you.

I can see how people would not remember speeding on a particular day but in my case I try and do the same speed every day. If the limit is 55 I will do 64, if it is 50 I do 57, if it is 45 I do 51 etc... I use my cruse control whenever possible and have even passed cops at these speeds. So far I have not gotten a ticket at these speeds.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
I can see how people would not remember speeding on a particular day but in my case I try and do the same speed every day. If the limit is 55 I will do 64, if it is 50 I do 57, if it is 45 I do 51 etc... I use my cruse control whenever possible and have even passed cops at these speeds. So far I have not gotten a ticket at these speeds.

And at 9-10 over, your odds of ever getting one from an officer are pretty low. From a machine supposedly set to 12mph over, would you really know if you had drifted those 3-4mph over? Maybe you only drifted 1-2 from your 9-10, but the machine is triggering a bit lower than that 12mph limit. Could you prove that? Ever? Try and get self test logs for speed cameras. Or get information about cancelled citations. Those that have tried have had a very hard time, and usually never in time to defend themselves in court. And don't think this isn't a deliberate part of the setup. It is, every single aspect of this system is rigged to make it easier to just get off the $40 (why so low if it's supposed to be deterrant?) than fight. Fighting costs money, and for a system rigged to make money, every citizen that fights is a bad thing.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
The only question I would have is, was the person driving the vehicle speeding? If so, pay the ticket, if not, fight the ticket. I would fight it if I wasn't speeding even if it cost me over the $40 out of principal but if I was speeding I would just pay it. I have no problem paying for the consequences of my actions.

How exactly do you prove you were innocent, that you were doing the speed limit?

I also wonder how the citation is worded, if you pay the ticket, do you acknowledge YOU were speeding and therefore YOU are given the points?
Or does the citation have a box that says I'm paying the ticket because I can't prove I am innocent but I really didn't do it?
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
And at 9-10 over, your odds of ever getting one from an officer are pretty low. From a machine supposedly set to 12mph over, would you really know if you had drifted those 3-4mph over? Maybe you only drifted 1-2 from your 9-10, but the machine is triggering a bit lower than that 12mph limit. Could you prove that? Ever? Try and get self test logs for speed cameras. Or get information about cancelled citations. Those that have tried have had a very hard time, and usually never in time to defend themselves in court. And don't think this isn't a deliberate part of the setup. It is, every single aspect of this system is rigged to make it easier to just get off the $40 (why so low if it's supposed to be deterrant?) than fight. Fighting costs money, and for a system rigged to make money, every citizen that fights is a bad thing.

Nothing in the law says they have to give you that leeway. Base police have always said they will write a ticket if you are 1 MPH over the limit. They say their radar is calibrated and there is no reason to give you that break.
And who is really checking the machines? The only reason anyone would question the machine is if it was pushing out 100% fines. Otherwise, who has the ability to verify the software is accurately reporting what the radar was tripped at?
 

glhs837

Power with Control
How exactly do you prove you were innocent, that you were doing the speed limit?

I also wonder how the citation is worded, if you pay the ticket, do you acknowledge YOU were speeding and therefore YOU are given the points?
Or does the citation have a box that says I'm paying the ticket because I can't prove I am innocent but I really didn't do it?

You admit to nothing by paying. No points (See "Make it easy to pay, hard to fight", above) no admission of guilt. Just like a parking ticket. Unless of course, you choose to fight the system itself, instead of just your citation. Then, oddly enough, your paying of the fine means you admitted guilt, and have no standing in a suit.

Nothing in the law says they have to give you that leeway. Base police have always said they will write a ticket if you are 1 MPH over the limit. They say their radar is calibrated and there is no reason to give you that break.
And who is really checking the machines? The only reason anyone would question the machine is if it was pushing out 100% fines. Otherwise, who has the ability to verify the software is accurately reporting what the radar was tripped at?

Discounting the base "We have not a lot else to do, and little chance of writing citations otherwise" police, far more officers give that buffer than don't. No, it's not written anywhere, but if you can, listen in on conversations officers have among themselves about this. Back in the early days of the Chargers, I hung out on the largest of the LEO forums that had tens of thousands of members, mostly sworn officers. And that was the gist of the conversions. Officers generally spoke of that as an unofficial rule of thumb. Barring other things, like a large differential (traffic in a 45 going 30, and you are doing 54, you're going down), theygenerally felt that there were enough folks going 10 or better over that they didn't need to hit folks going less than that.

Who checks the machine? Well, before being placed in service, MD law requires that the measuring device be certified via an independent 3rd party. Marylands SHA SafeZones and I think Baltimore got caught using devices only certed by the maker, but of course, tehre was no punishment, no citations thrown out. Which is why localtities feel free to do whatever they want, the state simply wont go after ones that break the law. And the courts won't give standing to citizens. As for daily checks, the machines are generally speaking self checking. Every day, they do a self test, which self test is supposed to be verified and signed off on by the system operator. Meaning the police department it belongs to. Most records that have been reviewed indicate these checks are spotty at best. Officers get tired of driving around, opening boxes to see the same green lights every day, and signing the same log sheet every day. So, as is human nature, it gets pencil whipped.

And this is what kills me, everyone assumes "Well, it must have these checks and balances. It's operated by law enforcement". "It's about safety, who would compromise safety by being lazy". Well, its not about saffety, it's about money, and they know damn well there are no repercussions for not doing it right. When the fix is in, people get lazy.
 

3CATSAILOR

Well-Known Member
The person who received it is physically challenged and unable to make it to court. Also, it says right on the ticket that if you challenge it, you will have pay an "undetermined amount of court costs". He is on a "fixed income". In reference to the court costs, the ticket is worded like a "threat' to the person who receives it.
 

bilbur

New Member
Nothing in the law says they have to give you that leeway. Base police have always said they will write a ticket if you are 1 MPH over the limit. They say their radar is calibrated and there is no reason to give you that break.
And who is really checking the machines? The only reason anyone would question the machine is if it was pushing out 100% fines. Otherwise, who has the ability to verify the software is accurately reporting what the radar was tripped at?

The base police are strict but I talked to a state cop a while back and he told me they determine the speed to pull people over as a percentage of the speed limit. It was a long time ago but I believe he said 20%. He told me to do 1 or 2 mph under 20% over the speed limit and I will never get pulled over. For example if the speed limit is 55 then 20% over would be 66, this is why I do 64 in a 55. If it is 45 than I do 52 or 53. It has worked for me for the past 19 years without a ticket.
 

3CATSAILOR

Well-Known Member
AND Includes any other corroborating evidence in section (ii) that you quoted below. What is your OTHER corroborating evidence? Since you don't have any, you are still out of luck.
 
Read (3)(ii)! Includes any other corroborating evidence. Like providing the name of the individual who WAS driving the vehicle. Yeah, that should make for a good friendship!
 
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