Speeders beware!

bcp

In My Opinion
I never warn speeders.
They more they pay, the better it is for the communtiy as a whole.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
I never warn speeders.
They more they pay, the better it is for the communtiy as a whole.

But the point of enforcement isn't to make money, its to slow people down, right? If you warn them and they slow down, mission accomplished.
 

bcp

In My Opinion
But the point of enforcement isn't to make money, its to slow people down, right? If you warn them and they slow down, mission accomplished.

since I dont get caught, I really dont care what the point is.

speed and get caught = pay fine = X number of dollars less requried to take from taxpayers.

I say lower the limit and up the fine.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
since I dont get caught, I really dont care what the point is.

speed and get caught = pay fine = X number of dollars less requried to take from taxpayers.

I say lower the limit and up the fine.

But if the limit is set in accordance with guidelines, why lower it? And you lose money on every traffic stop. That officers time and his equipment cost more than the average fine. And every state that has tried to "up the fines" has faced huge citizen backlash so evidently, most folks disagree with you.
 

bcp

In My Opinion
But if the limit is set in accordance with guidelines, why lower it? And you lose money on every traffic stop. That officers time and his equipment cost more than the average fine. And every state that has tried to "up the fines" has faced huge citizen backlash so evidently, most folks disagree with you.

wait a second here, In one place you tell me the fines are all about revenue generation, now you tell me that they lose money on each stop?

Does all of this just change depending on the conversation?
Is it revenue, or is it safety?
 

glhs837

Power with Control
wait a second here, In one place you tell me the fines are all about revenue generation, now you tell me that they lose money on each stop?

Does all of this just change depending on the conversation?
Is it revenue, or is it safety?

Look closer at what I write, automated enforcement is all about money, manned enforcement, while I feel is misguidedly focused on speed enforcement, makes no money, really. Offsets its own cost a little, but certainly no profit, not for the state, and not for any private company.
 

CoveWoman

New Member
I used to think the Beltway was the most dangerous road in the area. But now I think Rt 4 is even more dangerous. The tailgating is so frequent, huge numbers of lane changers trying to get a few seconda ahead and you meet at the light anyway, the people texting and talking on the phone and swerving and and getting close then far away....the people pulling right, out of streets that abut Rt 4 to get on the shoulder, that make wide turns into the right lane... I have avoided two head on collisions by people texting because my guardian angel was around that day. I saw a lady with an infant in a car seat texting; we met at a light and I looked at her and said, you have a baby in the back and you are texting. So? she said and shot me a bird. I hate driving on Rt 4.
 

Mikeru

New Member
Yep, %5 is the actual number, so why do we spend a majority of traffic enforcement on that one thing? It's easy to make large numbers of citations fast, verifiable by radar/laser, no "he said, she said" to it, and citizens see a visible LEO presence. And officers come in contact with more motorists, since it's so easy, and with those numbers, a greater chance of encountering real dirtbags.

I'd say that this is true for VA. But I've noticed with Maryland, that every time I've been pulled over by a state trooper, I've got off with a warning- one time was for speeding in a residential area (30 MPH speed limit, I was going 42), the other was for expired vehicle registration where the cop told me empathetically "I'm going to let you off without a warning since it's a $70 fine if I give you a ticket."

If I were in VA, like hell they would have let me off with warnings.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
I'd say that this is true for VA. But I've noticed with Maryland, that every time I've been pulled over by a state trooper, I've got off with a warning- one time was for speeding in a residential area (30 MPH speed limit, I was going 42), the other was for expired vehicle registration where the cop told me empathetically "I'm going to let you off without a warning since it's a $70 fine if I give you a ticket."

If I were in VA, like hell they would have let me off with warnings.

I didnt say they always write tickets:) I said it's easy to do so. VA seems to have a pretty hard policy favoring speeding tickets, I think. In MD, not so much. But for them, really, I think its more about public perception (DO SOMETHING ABOUT CRASHES ON ROUTE 4!!!!!!!!!!!) and citizen interaction.

People see a radar set up and cheer that the officers are making them safer. And the officers get to meet a lot of people, some of them dirtbags who need new bracelets fitted. Sheriffs and other elected types like when citizens are happy, even if the citizens are happy for a reason that makes no sense. Far fewer tickets written for people speeding on RT 4 and a lot more for people entering Rt 4 stupidly would have a better safety result, I think, since most serious/fatal accidents on 4 are from people entering the roadway like idiots. But doing that (cruising 4 looking for idiots) looks like doing nothing to John Q. Public, while a line of cars being cited on the side of the looks better.
 

Jbeckman

New Member
Write tickets - warnings don't work.
Speed, get caught, get ticket, pay fine....hopefully fine/points/court - change your behavior to reduce your speed...

Like compliance checks on liquor stores, regulations/rules in the military, standards of conduct, telling/teaching/rearing your children....there are expectations - meet them, abide by them.
 

Mikeru

New Member
Write tickets - warnings don't work.
Speed, get caught, get ticket, pay fine....hopefully fine/points/court - change your behavior to reduce your speed...

I disagree. I travel the residential road that I got the warning on regularly, and when the 45MPH speed limit changes to 30MPH, I'm now 100% paying attention and decrease my speed to at most 35MPH.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Camera moved from Hill Rd to 202. I happened to catch the "Photo Enforced" sign that was newly put up yesterday.

Moved or just a new one going up. DC, like any junkie, cant stop taking more. They are hooked on automated enforcment revenue.

Traffic cameras generated a record $80.4 million for the District in fiscal 2010 and were on pace to exceed that total in fiscal 2011, AAA Mid-Atlantic said in August after filing a Freedom of Information Act request with the city.

Read more: AAA says D.C. 'addicted to revenue' from tickets - Washington Times

AAA says D.C. 'addicted to revenue' from tickets - Washington Times
 
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