St. George's Island/Piney Point area

[Larry Gude]

Thank...

I haven't noticed a change in water level. I'm totally a liberal tree-hugging global-warming hippie, but I don't think anyone has really seen it, yet. I bet if anyone thinks he sees the water moving up, he really sees the land moving down, because we have such a problem with erosion.

...you for your frankness!

It just seems like St. Georges, the Keys, Ocean City, etc and so forth, we'd see obvious evidence to support the raising water from melting ice theory.

 

[jp2854]

no schools on the island but I do know there is a church down there. I pet sit for a lady on the island and yes it does flood her house is up on stilts thankgoodness because if it wasn't I would have been cleaning up her flooded house overtop of taking care of the animals.

 

[kom526]

...you for your frankness!

It just seems like St. Georges, the Keys, Ocean City, etc and so forth, we'd see obvious evidence to support the raising water from melting ice theory.

Larry it is a well known fact about the chaos melting ice causes in your bourbon and coke. Just accept it as gospel okay?

no schools on the island but I do know there is a church down there

 

[Larry Gude]

Ice?

Larry it is a well known fact about the chaos melting ice causes in your bourbon and coke. Just accept it as gospel okay?

In a mixed drink? Really? I've been afraid to try it. Won't it overflow all over the place?

 

[kom526]

In a mixed drink? Really? I've been afraid to try it. Won't it overflow all over the place?

 

[bconlon]

I bought a summer house there this April that is waterfront facing St. George Creek. I did the same research and while some areas flood it depends on the elevation of the house. Many of them are built up and do not even require flood insurance.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I am going to St. George's Island this Saturday for a 30th birthday party, I hope it is not flooded!!

 

[poster]

How often does it flood in the St. George's Island and Piney Point area?

I am looking at house on St. Georges Island and I am concerned about the flood in the area since it is low lying land.

How often does it flood?

Depends on what part of the island.
As soon as you cross the bridge, it floods there often.

This weekend would be a good indication.
If your interested in buying make a trip down there now.
The tide will surge probably 2ft higher than usuall, maybe around 7-8pm.
Tomorrow they're expecting a surge of up to 4ft.

It will also depends which way the storm/wind is blowing.
Right now you should be able to see it pretty close to the worst possible.

Just so you know when Isabel came through the island was evacuated and it did flood over - I think they called for a 6'-8' surge with that storm, I could be wrong. On Lighthouse Rd in Piney Point the water washed completely over from the river to the creek about 4'-5' deep and the surf was crashing at the road.

 

[belvak]

In a mixed drink? Really? I've been afraid to try it. Won't it overflow all over the place?

My Daughter used to actually believe you needed to leave room in the glass for when the ice melted so it wouldn't overflow.

 

[The Oyster Guy]

...you for your frankness!

It just seems like St. Georges, the Keys, Ocean City, etc and so forth, we'd see obvious evidence to support the raising water from melting ice theory.

Actually, Sea Level Rise (SLR) is very well documented in modern times. At the Norfolk Navy Base in Virginia, the relative SLR has been 1.45 feet over the last 100 years. Of that figure, roughly 40% is estimated to be due to land subsidence, while 60% is estimated to be due to rising water level. (warning: link is to 73 page PDF file)
http://www.deq.state.va.us/coastal/...p Presentations/vaczpartners07-skipstiles.pdf

This is precisely why shoreline erosion has become such a problem in the Chesapeake... In fact, some 500 entire islands have disappeared from the Chesapeake since the colonial era, at least one of which was 1500 acres and supported an entire town (Poplar Island). Our own St. Clements Island was once 400 acres, but now measures only 40, and likely owes its continued existence to the fact that in recent years 95% of its shoreline has been reinforced by heavy rip-rap revetments.

 

[OldHillcrestGuy]

Take a drive down there tomorrow afternoon after Hanna visits.

 

[penguin6]

I'd say go take a look at it tomorrow during the evening high tide.

That's the best advice I'd offer too. If you go tomorrow and the part you want to buy is underwater, then I'd probably look elsewhere...

 

[poster]

This is precisely why shoreline erosion has become such a problem in the Chesapeake... In fact, some 500 entire islands have disappeared from the Chesapeake since the colonial era, at least one of which was 1500 acres and supported an entire town (Poplar Island). Our own St. Clements Island was once 400 acres, but now measures only 40, and likely owes its continued existence to the fact that in recent years 95% of its shoreline has been reinforced by heavy rip-rap revetments.

There ya go - didn't want to totally scare them away from the area so I didn't bring it up but the island is getting smaller. Don't know at what rate though.

 

[Larry Gude]

I should....

Actually, Sea Level Rise (SLR) is very well documented in modern times. At the Norfolk Navy Base in Virginia, the relative SLR has been 1.45 feet over the last 100 years. Of that figure, roughly 40% is estimated to be due to land subsidence, while 60% is estimated to be due to rising water level. (warning: link is to 73 page PDF file)
http://www.deq.state.va.us/coastal/...p Presentations/vaczpartners07-skipstiles.pdf

This is precisely why shoreline erosion has become such a problem in the Chesapeake... In fact, some 500 entire islands have disappeared from the Chesapeake since the colonial era, at least one of which was 1500 acres and supported an entire town (Poplar Island). Our own St. Clements Island was once 400 acres, but now measures only 40, and likely owes its continued existence to the fact that in recent years 95% of its shoreline has been reinforced by heavy rip-rap revetments.

...have clarified; Al Gore tells me driving mt SUV is drowning the world; man made global catastrophe.

So, what you're talking about climate change, sure, from ice ages, sun spots, warm periods, etc.

Normal stuff we can do nothing about anyway.

 

[The Oyster Guy]

...have clarified; Al Gore tells me driving mt SUV is drowning the world; man made global catastrophe.

So, what you're talking about climate change, sure, from ice ages, sun spots, warm periods, etc.

Normal stuff we can do nothing about anyway.

As you are well aware, that is subject to debate - I'll just leave it at that.

It's interesting to note that the Arctic is warming very rapidly in recent years, and ice cover is vanishing at a record pace. Only days ago, it was reported that for the first time in recorded history, it is now possible to circumnavigate the arctic ice cap via open water. Der er isfrit omkring Nordpolen

Interesting article published in Scientific American today:
A Deep Thaw: How Much Will Vanishing Glaciers Raise Sea Levels?: Scientific American
It projects that the IPCC estimates for SLR are too low, and that by 2100 sea levels will rise by 4 feet relative to today's levels.

So if you think you've got a long life ahead of you, it's probably best not to buy any real estate on places like St. Georges, Tangier, Smith, or even Solomons.

 

[ImnoMensa]

I know the water is rising. I can see it on the shoreline.

Certainly erosion is part of it, but in the sheltered waters of the creek here I can see where the water is higher than it was ten years ago. Many wharfs that were built long ago are practically underwater now on high tide.

 

[daisycreek]

There was a school on the island.. directly across from the catholic church! My grandpa said he played baseball in the big field there! (which is now under water)

 

[BlueOx77]

There was a school on the island.. directly across from the catholic church! My grandpa said he played baseball in the big field there! (which is now under water)

That's right. The address where it was is 16381 Thomas Road. It opened in 1905 and the board of education sold it to the Island Improvement Association in 1957. The building stood until 1988 when it burned down.

 

[daisycreek]

Yep my grandpa also had a store on Thomas Road, I remember when the fire dept. came and burned it down also...

If you look at any photography shots taken from the air you can see just how much of the island has been lost...

 

[poster]

Yep my grandpa also had a store on Thomas Road, I remember when the fire dept. came and burned it down also...

If you look at any photography shots taken from the air you can see just how much of the island has been lost...

Do you remember the fishing center as soon as you crossed the bridge on the right? They rented boats, sold oysters/soft crabs and some tackle.