St. Mary's County Judicial Ethics Question?
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Wonder?
It really DOES make you wonder how many times Daniel J. Guenther has gone before Judge Abrams since she was appointed Judge(2002?)?
Has anyone out there been involved in a case that went before Abrams where Daniel J. Guenther was an attorney? What was your experience like?
Has anyone out there been involved in litigation that went before Abrams without Guenther being involved? Did her factual findings and conclusions of law make sense?
I would be interested to know. If someone is not comfortable posting the info on this forum, you can send me a private message.
Ken King said:
It really DOES make you wonder how many times Daniel J. Guenther has gone before Judge Abrams since she was appointed Judge(2002?)?
Has anyone out there been involved in a case that went before Abrams where Daniel J. Guenther was an attorney? What was your experience like?
Has anyone out there been involved in litigation that went before Abrams without Guenther being involved? Did her factual findings and conclusions of law make sense?
I would be interested to know. If someone is not comfortable posting the info on this forum, you can send me a private message.
OMG GET OVER IT!!!!renfred said:
Either file a formal complaint or shut up!
Are you a Ren Faire person - is that why you're renfred?
endlessly about it, yet you are too stinking lazy to look it up yourself and do something. Says a lot about you.?
I think you are also taking this thread a little too personally. Its 2007 and I am posting about an appointed and elected judge's ethics on a community internet forum.
Sorry, but judges are not immune to public criticsm, especially not when they have a potential conflict of interest and don't disclose it on the record when appropriate.
I'mno Mensa said:
I think you are also taking this thread a little too personally. Its 2007 and I am posting about an appointed and elected judge's ethics on a community internet forum.
Sorry, but judges are not immune to public criticsm, especially not when they have a potential conflict of interest and don't disclose it on the record when appropriate.
Right hyah:renfred said:
http://www.courts.state.md.us/judicialdisabilities.html
There's an address and you send it Attn: Hon. Patrick L. Woodward. The Commission will review your complaint and if there is any validity, they will investigate.
ImnoMensa
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I have no problem with public criticism of Judges. If you have a case present it.
The one you have where she rents her old legal office to a lawyer is Bull.
If you have a case where she unfairly made a judicial ruling spit it out. I was introduced to Judge Abrams once when she was running for the job and I sat in as a member of the jury in one of her cases after she got the job, I suppose according to you I should have been excused from jury duty. The first thread on this subject was more than enough to get opinions ,shoving another one is vindictive.
The one you have where she rents her old legal office to a lawyer is Bull.
If you have a case where she unfairly made a judicial ruling spit it out. I was introduced to Judge Abrams once when she was running for the job and I sat in as a member of the jury in one of her cases after she got the job, I suppose according to you I should have been excused from jury duty. The first thread on this subject was more than enough to get opinions ,shoving another one is vindictive.
abrams guenther judge jury
So you were introduced to her. Do you think that maybe that's a little different than paying the judge tens of thousands of dollars over the years, then going before her as an attorney, and her not disclosing this to all parties on the record?
You do bring up a good point though.
What would happen if you were renting a house from person A for the past 5 years, then were called to jury duty in a case where person A was charged with murder. Would you think it was appropriate to disclose this relationship to the court? Do you think it would be appropriate to "keep it secret" because you don't think anyone would care? Would you think it would be "disrespectful " to person A to disclose it to the court and interested parties? Of course not. In fact, there are procedures in place to make sure that doesn't happen(the art of jury picking). There are no legal procedures in place to make sure that judges disclose their potential conflicts on the record. Its left up to the devices of the judge's ethical integrity.
Regarding Guenther and Abrams, it is in both of their best interests to "keep it secret", at the expense of the proper administration of justice.
I'mno Mensa said:
So you were introduced to her. Do you think that maybe that's a little different than paying the judge tens of thousands of dollars over the years, then going before her as an attorney, and her not disclosing this to all parties on the record?
You do bring up a good point though.
What would happen if you were renting a house from person A for the past 5 years, then were called to jury duty in a case where person A was charged with murder. Would you think it was appropriate to disclose this relationship to the court? Do you think it would be appropriate to "keep it secret" because you don't think anyone would care? Would you think it would be "disrespectful " to person A to disclose it to the court and interested parties? Of course not. In fact, there are procedures in place to make sure that doesn't happen(the art of jury picking). There are no legal procedures in place to make sure that judges disclose their potential conflicts on the record. Its left up to the devices of the judge's ethical integrity.
Regarding Guenther and Abrams, it is in both of their best interests to "keep it secret", at the expense of the proper administration of justice.
Judge Abrams
I am not trying to besmirch Judge Abrams, and there is nothing to reveal other than the facts that I have shed light on.
I am sorry if my revealing of these facts are embarrassing to Judge Abrams or Daniel J. Guenther, but as several posters have stated earlier, its really not about them. I am much more concerned about the thousands of people's lives who are affected by the St. Mary's County Court System, than I am about any one judge or any one lawyer.
I feel very strongly that the way in which things are currently being handled is not conducive to the proper administartion of justice in St. Mary's County. I wouldn't feel so strongly or confident about my position if I didn't have such a deep factual basis from which to draw upon.
I'mno Mensa said:
I am not trying to besmirch Judge Abrams, and there is nothing to reveal other than the facts that I have shed light on.
I am sorry if my revealing of these facts are embarrassing to Judge Abrams or Daniel J. Guenther, but as several posters have stated earlier, its really not about them. I am much more concerned about the thousands of people's lives who are affected by the St. Mary's County Court System, than I am about any one judge or any one lawyer.
I feel very strongly that the way in which things are currently being handled is not conducive to the proper administartion of justice in St. Mary's County. I wouldn't feel so strongly or confident about my position if I didn't have such a deep factual basis from which to draw upon.
Pete
Repete
No you don't, you are a liar. You just like biatching about it. stirring crap, smearing a judge publically and annonymously and acting like you have some superior secret insight. If you REALLY felt strongly you wouldn't be here slinging innuendo, suspicion and trying to plant the seed of conspiracy, you would have already filed a complain or emailed the Circuit court or the ethics commission.renfred said:
Nope you like talking and acting like a big shot.
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St. Mary's County judge disclosure and recusal question
St. Mary's County judge disclosure and recusal question
Check the facts out for yourself, make your own decision. Facts are facts.
http://www.mdlandrec.net/tmp/LandRe...7222BB9CF7.pdf?CFID=15316598&CFTOKEN=77012521
http://www.mdlandrec.net/tmp/LandRe...82EA832C50.pdf?CFID=15316598&CFTOKEN=77012521
http://sdatcert3.resiusa.org/rp_rew...=03 019071 &County=19&SearchType=STREET
St. Mary's County judge disclosure and recusal question
nhboy said:
Check the facts out for yourself, make your own decision. Facts are facts.
http://www.mdlandrec.net/tmp/LandRe...7222BB9CF7.pdf?CFID=15316598&CFTOKEN=77012521
http://www.mdlandrec.net/tmp/LandRe...82EA832C50.pdf?CFID=15316598&CFTOKEN=77012521
http://sdatcert3.resiusa.org/rp_rew...=03 019071 &County=19&SearchType=STREET
St. Mary's County Court
Sorry! Here are 2 links that show ownership and who the current tenant of 41620 Fenwick Street is:
http://sdatcert3.resiusa.org/rp_rew...=03 019071 &County=19&SearchType=STREET
http://www.google.com/search?q=41620+fenwick+street&hl=en&start=20&sa=N
The only thing missing is that on the Maryland Court Records Online Case Search System (http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiry-index.jsp), there is no way to search cases by judge, or even to see which judge presided over a particluer case. Hopefully they will modify the system in the near future so that folks can research their judge and take action before blindly handing over the reins to their future.
nhboy said:
Sorry! Here are 2 links that show ownership and who the current tenant of 41620 Fenwick Street is:
http://sdatcert3.resiusa.org/rp_rew...=03 019071 &County=19&SearchType=STREET
http://www.google.com/search?q=41620+fenwick+street&hl=en&start=20&sa=N
The only thing missing is that on the Maryland Court Records Online Case Search System (http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiry-index.jsp), there is no way to search cases by judge, or even to see which judge presided over a particluer case. Hopefully they will modify the system in the near future so that folks can research their judge and take action before blindly handing over the reins to their future.