ST Matthews Church

Dougstermd

ORGASM DONOR
The ST. Matthews church in Tulsa OK sent me a prayer rug and a list to check my needs. I can even send them a seed gift for the prayer rug. The rug is a small poster size paper rendention of Jesus. So how much should my gift be:confused:
 

Marie

New Member
The ST. Matthews church in Tulsa OK sent me a prayer rug and a list to check my needs. I can even send them a seed gift for the prayer rug. The rug is a small poster size paper rendention of Jesus. So how much should my gift be:confused:[/quote

Nothing, First off a Biblical church wouldnt send you an image of anything in Heaven above or in the earth beneath. Also since we have no idea what Christ looked like.Then theres is the second commandment about graven images. I cant recall the Bible ever ordaining prayer rugs as part of Biblical worship.
If you have prayer concerns lift them up to a local body that your apart of, people that you know will pray for you and are concerned for you.
Why not send your money if you need to, to some ministery that you know is going to further the gospel or put Gods word in the hands of people that are so desperate for it?

I personally dont send money to everyone that sends me free address labels in the mail with my name mispelled on them.
I use this criteria
Ministeries where the highest percentage of income goes to furthering the gospel and not to fundraising.

Local Church first!
Ministerys that send Bibles to nations in their own language where there is a shortage.
Christian radio like FBN
 

libby

New Member
Be sure to throw out all photos of your family then, because that would be making an image of something on the earth.
 

Marie

New Member
Be sure to throw out all photos of your family then, because that would be making an image of something on the earth.

You missread its heaven above, or earth beneath (Hell)

Deuteronomy 5:8
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
 
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MMDad

Lem Putt
First off a Biblical church wouldnt send you an image of anything in Heaven above or in the earth beneath. Also since we have no idea what Christ looked like.Then theres is the second commandment about graven images. I cant recall the Bible ever ordaining prayer rugs as part of Biblical worship.

So all of these representations of God and Jesus are not coming from Christians? Isn't the painting of the Last Supper a graven image?

You are a loon!
 

Dougstermd

ORGASM DONOR
Well how much money should I send for the rug:confused:

I am thinking since I got stimulated may2 I should just send them that check:shrug
 

Marie

New Member
So all of these representations of God and Jesus are not coming from Christians? Isn't the painting of the Last Supper a graven image?

You are a loon!

It doesn’t matter what biblically inept person creates them, whether they name the name of Christ or not, scripture says for a man to dream up a false image of God, whether its one in his own mind (one that he can live with on his terms not Gods) or its on canvas its wrong!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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If your name is Bob, and I call you Roy instead, would it upset you?<o:p></o:p>
You get an artist conception of Christ stuck in your head, the drop dead gorgeous blonde hair blue eyed, and he looks nothing like that do you think he would feel honored when your praying to that guy?<o:p></o:p>
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If someone has a low view of scripture, or the Holiness of God, I guess that does sound extreme. Id encourage you to give it some prayerfull consideration and perhaps read some Puritian writtings after an exhaustive reading of scripture.
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Radiant1

Soul Probe
You missread its heaven above, or earth beneath (Hell)

Deuteronomy 5:8
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

God forbids graven images for the purposes of idolatry and surely you would agree that the worship of Jesus Christ Son of God is not idolatry. Elsewhere in scipture God most certainly approves of the use of images and even commands the Isrealites to make them.

Ex. 25:18-19 - The Lord said make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end...

Ex. 26:1 - You shall make the tabernacle with ... cherubim skillfully worked.

Num. 21:8-9 - The Lord said to Moses, `Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.' So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole.

1 Kgs. 6:23, 27-29 - He made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high. . . . He put the cherubim in the innermost part of the Temple . . . And he overlaid the cherubim with gold. He carved all the walls of the Temple round about with carved figures of cherubim and palm trees and open flowers.

As you probably know, cherubim are things of heaven, as is Christ. Might I suggest you re-think your own aptitude regarding the understanding of scripture?
 

libby

New Member
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God forbids graven images for the purposes of idolatry and surely you would agree that the worship of Jesus Christ Son of God is not idolatry. Elsewhere in scipture God most certainly approves of the use of images and even commands the Isrealites to make them.

Ex. 25:18-19 - The Lord said make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end...

Ex. 26:1 - You shall make the tabernacle with ... cherubim skillfully worked.

Num. 21:8-9 - The Lord said to Moses, `Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.' So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole.

1 Kgs. 6:23, 27-29 - He made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high. . . . He put the cherubim in the innermost part of the Temple . . . And he overlaid the cherubim with gold. He carved all the walls of the Temple round about with carved figures of cherubim and palm trees and open flowers.

As you probably know, cherubim are things of heaven, as is Christ. Might I suggest you re-think your own aptitude regarding the understanding of scripture?
 

Marie

New Member
God forbids graven images for the purposes of idolatry and surely you would agree that the worship of Jesus Christ Son of God is not idolatry. Elsewhere in scipture God most certainly approves of the use of images and even commands the Isrealites to make them.

Ex. 25:18-19 - The Lord said make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end...

Ex. 26:1 - You shall make the tabernacle with ... cherubim skillfully worked.

Num. 21:8-9 - The Lord said to Moses, `Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.' So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole.

1 Kgs. 6:23, 27-29 - He made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high. . . . He put the cherubim in the innermost part of the Temple . . . And he overlaid the cherubim with gold. He carved all the walls of the Temple round about with carved figures of cherubim and palm trees and open flowers.

As you probably know, cherubim are things of heaven, as is Christ. Might I suggest you re-think your own aptitude regarding the understanding of scripture?

I think the difference Is Angels or snakes are not things of adoration in the first place (like God and were expressly told NOT to worship Angels) plus God told them to do it. Granted Angels are in heaven, and that was a clever reply. The problem is scripture says what it says, and in more than one place (That’s important). The only other alternative, is to say that doesn’t apply because it’s in the old covenant or wasn’t written directly to us, but that doesn’t work either as<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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2. Hermeneutically if the first didn’t apply, than you would have to see if the principle applies to today and it does.<o:p></o:p>
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I appreciate the thought you gave your reply, but I have to stick with my first thought.<o:p></o:p>
Id also like to make the case for the Holiness of God. Although one of Gods attributes is love, so is Wrath and being just. We have lost our sense of who God really is and having a reverent fear of God. Isaiah's response to God was Woe is me; I come from a people of unclean lips! <o:p></o:p>
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We can side tract the intent of the original Posters question, but my overall point was that there might be wiser, better way/organization to support rather than a solicitation from a purchased mailing list. I have a Catholic friend that got the same junk mail. <o:p></o:p>
 

vbailey

vbailey
I would not send my money to anyone unless I knew %100 what it would be used for.......there are plenty of local charities in need of donations.....what about your church? What burdens your heart? Ask yourself....sharing the gospel is my big thing, Out reach locally and Missions to other countries. Pray about it before you just give away your money.
 

Dougstermd

ORGASM DONOR
I would not send my money to anyone unless I knew %100 what it would be used for.......there are plenty of local charities in need of donations.....what about your church? What burdens your heart? Ask yourself....sharing the gospel is my big thing, Out reach locally and Missions to other countries. Pray about it before you just give away your money.


I do not typically give away money anyway. I like to give by volunteering my time. I just thought it was a pretty crappy thing for that "CHURCH" to send anything like that out as a mass mailer:yay:
 

libby

New Member
You missread its heaven above, or earth beneath (Hell)

Deuteronomy 5:8
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

As I read Deuteronomy, it says, "in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth.".
Now, I'm just curious...where is there anything that leads you to believe that God is instructing them to avoid making images of beings in Heaven or Hell, as opposed to anything on the earth, in the sky or in the waters, as the Bible quite categorically says?
The golden calf would not fall into the category of forbidden images, then, right? It was, after all, like the images of your family, on the earth. It is not an image from Heaven or Hell. In addition, according the you, the prohibition is does not apply to images "that are not things of adoration in the first place." A calf is not a thing of adoration in the first place.
Soooo, what am I missing?
 
You missread its heaven above, or earth beneath (Hell)

Deuteronomy 5:8
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

As I read Deuteronomy, it says, "in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth.".
Now, I'm just curious...where is there anything that leads you to believe that God is instructing them to avoid making images of beings in Heaven or Hell, as opposed to anything on the earth, in the sky or in the waters, as the Bible quite categorically says?
The golden calf would not fall into the category of forbidden images, then, right? It was, after all, like the images of your family, on the earth. It is not an image from Heaven or Hell. In addition, according the you, the prohibition is does not apply to images "that are not things of adoration in the first place." A calf is not a thing of adoration in the first place.
Soooo, what am I missing?

You two need to STFU and start a new thread, Dougster asked a legitimate question; either give him an answer or go COAD...

Dougster - if it was me, and I was affiliated with the church I would give what you think you can give. Or call an attending member of the church you know and ask. :yay:

If I was not affiliated with them, I would not give...
 
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vbailey

vbailey
I do not typically give away money anyway. I like to give by volunteering my time. I just thought it was a pretty crappy thing for that "CHURCH" to send anything like that out as a mass mailer:yay:

Not many people like to give of their time. Some times it is good to give money so others can help, if you don't have the time to give of yourself. It depends on the situtation! I have done both when it is something I really have a heart for....God bless the people who give their time and put their heart into giving.
 

libby

New Member
You two need to STFU and start a new thread, Dougster asked a legitimate question; either give him an answer or go COAD...

Dougster - if it was me, and I was affiliated with the church I would give what you think you can give. Or call an attending member of the church you know and ask. :yay:

If I was not affiliated with them, I would not give...

To say STFU before you even offer a constructive reminder, now that is going after a gnat with a sledgehammer.
I'll put my post on a new thread. Thank you for your charitable contribution to the maintainance of the topic.
 
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