Stand by Calvert, it has begun (speed cams)

[glhs837]

I am fine with making money on those who break the law. You're full of sh*t when you say it has NO other benefit. You don't know that. You don't know how many people decide to stop at a red light because it has a camera or decide to slow down because of a school zone with a camera. You don't know if it has saved a life or not because you can't know what you don't know. You are just one of those whiny little creeps who can't do what they do so you want to spend your days on the internet complaining about what they do.

Love how you know what I know and don't know And what I can and cannot do. One thing I can do is use logic and reason to form an argument, as opposed to just calling people names The benefit of traffic laws is the ensure the safe and efficient movement of citizens, correct? Note safe is first, efficient is second. I get that, safety is a big thing with me, as a retired aircrewman and aviation ordnanceman and lifelong motorcycle rider, I'm all about safety. But things purporting to be about safety that are not annoy me. And when you deceive the public by enforcing the law for reasons other than safety, that bothers me.

How many people decide to slow down for speed cams is irrelevant (red light cameras are a whole different thing, that's its own can of worms) since, if there are not people being hurt by speeders now (and I follow accident reports pretty closely) then where is the societal benefit to slowing traffic down? Really, debate this, show me the money, so to speak. How many fewer people will be hurt? How many crashes will be prevented? Why not ask the Sheriff for the "before" data on accidents and injuries?

 

[tblwdc]

Assuming the cameras are operating properly...
I think that there should be some data to suggest that cameras are warranted and for the most part there is not sufficient data to suggest that cameras would remedy a problem.

There could be some benefit to cameras, but they also cause problems. Case in point...many drivers know there is a camera at a particular location, let's say set for 30MPH. A lot of drivers will be going 30-35MPH prior to this location and then slam on the brakes down to 20-25MPH. In their effort to avoid a speeding ticket, they nearly cause other drivers to crash into them.

First, if a driver crashes into the back of another driver who slowed down, then that driver was following too close and not giving full time and attention to the road. They should be cited, fined and sued.

You are entitled to your opinion as to what they "should" do in order to have cameras. I am equally entitled to my opinion that I am happy they are here and will start to generate some much needed revenue.

 

[glhs837]

First, if a driver crashes into the back of another driver who slowed down, then that driver was following too close and not giving full time and attention to the road. They should be cited, fined and sued.

You are entitled to your opinion as to what they "should" do in order to have cameras. I am equally entitled to my opinion that I am happy they are here and will start to generate some much needed revenue.

I agree about the rear end collision, and that's really more of a red light camera issue than a speed camera thing. If someone was able to get inside your bubble, it was too damn small. Did something you didn't expect? Too damn bad, you should expect the stupid, any long time rider can telll you that.... About the "much needed revenue" yep, cause Calvert is so poor That's really funny, especially considering the recent tax deal with Dominion. Don't mistake me, I'm all for the Cove Point deal, good for the county and the company. But haas Calvert been struggling to make ends meet recently? Or is is the influx of money marked for public safety you are happy with? I know other counties have basically used it to replace funding, not add too. Where others have used it for long put off projects like rehabbing the Sheriff office Again, if you are doing this for revenue, and not safety, you are doing law enforcement wrong.

 

[Rommey]

First, if a driver crashes into the back of another driver who slowed down, then that driver was following too close and not giving full time and attention to the road. They should be cited, fined and sued.

Must be great living in a perfect world. I didn't say they crashed into others...I said nearly crash into others. In other words, even if you are following at a safe distance and someone slams on the brakes in front of you when you are not essentially expecting it, you have to make a snap decision and sometimes the results are a crash, sometimes they are near misses. Tell me, do you think you are the perfect driver and never had instance to slam on your brakes because someone in front of you did something unexpected?

You are entitled to your opinion as to what they "should" do in order to have cameras. I am equally entitled to my opinion that I am happy they are here and will start to generate some much needed revenue.

Usually, when things affect the public, the government usually has hearings and input from the public. At least they will show studies to illustrate why certain actions are being taken. But if you're OK with the government doing as they please with no oversight, so be it.

 

[GURPS]

if it was about safety, the fines would be $ 1000 buck or 180 days sleeping in the drunk tank ....

 

[glhs837]

At least they will show studies to illustrate why certain actions are being taken.

Hey man, they had a guy look at some stuff. He said these were good things. Reduces accidents, cures cancer, all that. Dont think they said what his sources were, though. Most likely, then vendor sent his some links to studies funded by the camera industry. Independent of that, I'll bet not a lot of research was done. Pardon my cynicism, but I've been looking into this fro years now, and see no reason not to be cynical. Wanna convince me? Make the penalties HURT, bad. Points, real money like a couple hundred. Insurance notfication. Hell, just remove the profit motive. Vendor gets a flat rate, if there aint enough to pay it, contract cancelled. Positive cash flow, returned to taxpayers as rebates. Wont happen though......and we all know why.

 

[BOP]

http://www.thebaynet.com/articles/0715/boardapprovesspeedcamerasnearschools.html

Yep, won't anyone think of the children? Can anyone tell me what the number of students (or anyone else for that matter) hit by speeders in school zones in Calvert? Wonder how the contract reads, since the bounty system, where the contractor (note that the presser makes not one mention that the program is run by a contractor for profit) is paid per citation, thereby giving the contractor a motive to ensure maximum citations. State law was recently changed to supposedly preclude such schemes, but that change was a paper tiger.


And before anyone makes the same old tired arguments that I must love running kids down because I oppose these things, please, my objections are based on a lot of things, but not because I see these things as inhibiting my ability to go 90mph through a playground. It's a moneymaking scheme pure and simple.

I got nothing against people running kids down. I won't do it because they tend to get stuck in the undercarriage, and I can't stand all the screeching.

 

[BOP]

Who is forcing you to speed?

Who's forcing you to be a jack wagon?

 

[glhs837]

I got nothing against people running kids down. I won't do it because they tend to get stuck in the undercarriage, and I can't stand all the screeching.

I recommend a Jeep of some kind, wifes new Jeep looks to be great for that. With over eight inches of ground clearance, only high school football players might get jammed up And the 9 speaker sound system drowns out any outside noises just fine

 

[tblwdc]

Who's forcing you to be a jack wagon?

You're wife.

 

[GURPS]

You're wife.

ooo that's edgy ... zing ... what are you 12 ...


grow up black francis

 

[Hank]

You're wife.

Your

ooo that's edgy ... zing ... what are you 12 ...


grow up black francis

 

[GURPS]

Your

 

[Hank]

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