Starman and Bachmann worship at the same church

[EmptyTimCup]

who knew ............

Another ‘Rev. Wright Moment’? Bachmann Officially Leaves Her Church


It’s been a busy week for Rep. Michele Bachmann’s presidential campaign. After fielding questions about her husband’s clinic, now the 2012 contender is facing curiosity about her church affiliation. CNN has more:

…shortly before announcing her White House bid, [Bachmann] officially quit a church she’d belonged to for years.

Bachmann, a Minnesota congresswoman, and her husband, Marcus, withdrew their membership from Salem Lutheran Church in Stillwater, Minnesota, last month, according to church officials.

The Bachmanns had been members of the church for more than 10 years, according to Joel Hochmuth, director of communications for the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod [WELS], the broader denominational body of which Bachmann’s former church is a member.​

While some outlets are questioning why Bachmann and her husband separated from the church just six days before her campaign’s launch, Hochmuth confirmed that they had not been attending the congregation for at least two years.

Why does it matter, you ask? WELS has a relatively controversial take on the Catholic Church, which some believe was the catalyst behind Bachmann’s move to separate herself before she faced a highly-publicized, campaign-ravaging “Reverend Wright moment.” The Atlantic writes:

WELS is the most conservative of the major Lutheran church organizations, known for its strict adherence to the writings of Martin Luther, the German theologian who broke with the Catholic Church and launched the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. This includes endorsing Luther’s statements about the papacy. From the WELS “Doctrinal Statement on the Antichrist“:

Since Scripture teaches that the Antichrist would be revealed and gives the marks by which the Antichrist is to be recognized, and since this prophecy has been clearly fulfilled in the history and development of the Roman Papacy, it is Scripture which reveals that the Papacy is the Antichrist.



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so you are a member for 10yrs, do not attend for the last 2, and 6 days before you announce, you "Officially" leave



something stinks ........ and I'll bet the State Run Media, makes hay about this for the rest of the election cycle ........ where as it took months before anyone said anything (other than Sean Hannity and FOX News in 2007) Rev Wright ....

This, The Atlantic claims, may cause major barriers for the congresswoman as she seeks to secure the Republican ticket. This is not the first time, though, that this issue has arisen. The Los Angeles Times reports:

The matter has been tailing Bachmann for much of her political career. She was asked about the church’s statement in 2006, when she was running for Congress.

“It’s abhorrent, it’s religious bigotry,” Bachmann said then. “I love Catholics, I’m a Christian, and my church does not believe that the pope is the antichrist, that’s absolutely false.”​

she better talk to WELS, that is what WELS is posting on the church website .... if you don't believe teachings to be scriptural you


seek guidance and fellowship with other church members - and see if you are the only on questioning the teachings maybe you did not understand the message ....


consult other elders of the church .... seeking guidance and understanding

"hey I think this is Wrong, The Pope is not the Anti-Christ"


try to change the church or if all other courses fail, part ways





not this cow was on my list of options ........... she sure ain't now

 

[Starman3000m]

The Papacy Teaches Another Gospel

Whenever any "theology" conflicts with the context of the New Testament accounts of Jesus, Jesus' teachings and the teachings of the Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Disciples of Christ it is considered a pseudo-Christian cult and has basically become united with the deceptive spirit of antichrist.

A religion can publicly call itself "Christian" have a billion followers and still believe in yet "another Jesus" which, when compared with the New Testament accounts, then makes it another gospel.

The RCC teaches that Jesus is accompanied in Heaven by His Mother, Mary, where she assists Him in the Redemption of souls and that she reigns as "Queen of Heaven," "Advocate," "Helper," "Benefactress," "Mediatrix," "Co-Redemptrix," "Spouse of the Holy Spirit," and that parishioners can pray to Mary for help in getting a message to God. Parishioners can also call on "patron saints" for guidance. Catholics are taught to place trust and "faith" that Mary was "sinless" and has been bodily assumed up to Heaven and that she will pass along their prayers and petitions to Jesus.

The New Testament Jesus does not employ the assistance of any other in the Salvation process and He alone is the One who must be called upon for receiving the Promise of Eternal Life in Heaven. Jesus does not require "membership" to any organized religion in order to grant the Free Gift of Salvation to a repentant individual who genuinely seeks to make Him The Lord and Saviour of their life. Your salvation cannot be earned but it must be asked for and accepted in faith that while we were yet sinners, Christ died to pay the penalty of our sins.

Of all the religions that preach about a "Jesus" - There Is Only One Faith, One Truth and One True Jesus (John 14:6)

The RCC is preaching "salvation" via another gospel, another Jesus and another Mary and not the True Biblical teaching of Salvation from the New Testament Accounts.

For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. (2 Corinthians 11:4)

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8-9)

 

[Bird Dog]

The RCC is preaching "salvation" via another gospel, another Jesus and another Mary and not the True Biblical teaching of Salvation from the New Testament Accounts.

Again, there is only one Jesus, one gospel, one Mary.


The church of Starman--------coming to a stripmall near you!


Buy your anti-Catholic videos at discount prices when you bring your children

 

[aps45819]

20 years of "God damn America" is not a theological issue

 

[Mongo53]

Whenever any "theology" conflicts with the context of the New Testament accounts of Jesus, Jesus' teachings and the teachings of the Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Disciples of Christ it is considered a pseudo-Christian cult and has basically become united with the deceptive spirit of antichrist.

A religion can publicly call itself "Christian" have a billion followers and still believe in yet "another Jesus" which, when compared with the New Testament accounts, then makes it another gospel.

The RCC teaches that Jesus is accompanied in Heaven by His Mother, Mary, where she assists Him in the Redemption of souls and that she reigns as "Queen of Heaven," "Advocate," "Helper," "Benefactress," "Mediatrix," "Co-Redemptrix," "Spouse of the Holy Spirit," and that parishioners can pray to Mary for help in getting a message to God. Parishioners can also call on "patron saints" for guidance. Catholics are taught to place trust and "faith" that Mary was "sinless" and has been bodily assumed up to Heaven and that she will pass along their prayers and petitions to Jesus.

The New Testament Jesus does not employ the assistance of any other in the Salvation process and He alone is the One who must be called upon for receiving the Promise of Eternal Life in Heaven. Jesus does not require "membership" to any organized religion in order to grant the Free Gift of Salvation to a repentant individual who genuinely seeks to make Him The Lord and Saviour of their life. Your salvation cannot be earned but it must be asked for and accepted in faith that while we were yet sinners, Christ died to pay the penalty of our sins.

Of all the religions that preach about a "Jesus" - There Is Only One Faith, One Truth and One True Jesus (John 14:6)

The RCC is preaching "salvation" via another gospel, another Jesus and another Mary and not the True Biblical teaching of Salvation from the New Testament Accounts.

Where do you get this crap? This is like "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?

I went through the whole CCD regimen and help my kids with their own, my wife even teaches a CCD class, this is NOT Catholic teachings. Really, where do you get this crap?

 

[Starman3000m]

Where do you get this crap? This is like "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?

I went through the whole CCD regimen and help my kids with their own, my wife even teaches a CCD class, this is NOT Catholic teachings. Really, where do you get this crap?

from the RCC Catechism, which states in part:

. . . also in her Assumption

966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."506 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfilment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."510

974 The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son's Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of his Body.

975 "We believe that the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church, continues in heaven to exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ" (Paul VI, CPG # 15).

Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

Additionally, quotes from Roman Catholic priests refer to Mary as the "spouse of the Holy Spirit" which in essence is the same as stating that Mary is God's wife!

 

[hvp05]

Additionally, quotes from Roman Catholic priests refer to Mary as the "spouse of the Holy Spirit" which in essence is the same as stating that Mary is God's wife!

As IS would say, God is not bound to logic and can do what he wants. He made the rules, so he can bend the rules. Simply because there is not evidence of this does not mean it is not so. :shrug:

 

[Mongo53]

from the RCC Catechism, which states in part:

Additionally, quotes from Roman Catholic priests refer to Mary as the "spouse of the Holy Spirit" which in essence is the same as stating that Mary is God's wife!

And where in the Catechism is the:

• Another Jesus?
• Require "membership" to any organized religion in order to grant the Free Gift of Salvation
• "salvation" via another gospel, another Jesus and another Mary
• Mary, where she assists Him in the Redemption of souls
• Mary was "sinless"

 

[libertytyranny]

I wasn't sure If I was going to post or not..but here 'tis.

I am WELS. The view of the pope being the antichrist is not emphasized. In fact, our church doesn't mention catholicism at all during services, bible study, sunday school, VBS, bible information class, or casual conversation. All of which I have been involved in and can attest to.

The assertion that the pope is the antichrist does not mean that each individual pope is a spewing demon. Rather, it means that the office of Pope, because it sets an ordinary sinful man as authority and indeed infallible in proclamations on faith and morals, and believes that no salvation can come but through the Catholic church..it has placed itself in place of Christ..negating his gift and the truth that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ alone. This letter is the response from WELS, and absolutely reflects what I have encountered in my own church.


WELS news | Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS)

 

[Mongo53]

Most Baptist don't have a problem with Catholics either, there are only a few that just have this anti-papacy crusade they carry on.

That is the reason there are different denominations, we disagree on some of the tenets. The Christian Community has made great strides in tolerance and co-existence.

I can understand how people can have a problem with the concept of infallibility in faith and morals, when the Pope is an fallible man.

I hope you can understand, that I also see the conclusion that the pope (or his office) fits the description of the antichrist was made by a fallible man, NOT God or the Scriptures, so I am no more inclined to believe that, then I am to disbelieve a Catholic concept because it is NOT in the scriptures either.

These are matters of interpretation that we should agree to disagree.

This is why I probably would never joins WELS, and I suspect you would never join the RCC. Doesn't mean we can NOT co-exist.