Stormy Daniels and Monica Lewinsky? Why the Hypocrisy

[Sapidus]

Look, you're focused on the sex and the hypocrisy of condemning Clinton while forgiving Trump. Personally I find extra-marital affairs reprehensible. But it's not legal disqualifying for holding any public office. The people get to decide if it's disqualifying. If Trump did have this sexual affair with Stormy, I find it reprehensible. But that's between he and Melania; and, of course, the voters.

Now consider this... If this affair did happen, did Trump abuse his power to have this encounter? Bill Clinton was the president of the United States. Monica Lewinski was an intern; a subordinate to Clinton. Not only did he overstep his power as president by not exercising discipline not to engage in sexual encounters with people under his authority; but he committed his acts of indiscretion in the White House; and worse, in the Oval Office. This is reprehensible on levels I can't even accurately put into words.

So, now I've addressed the sex part of this. Trump has never been put under oath to answer for this affair with Stormy; and he never will. Clinton in answering for whether he had this affair, under oath, committed a crime. A CRIME! So, why are you even making this comparison?

Why do you believe Trump will never be under oath for this?

There is speculation from the timing of the payment that it may have broken campaign finance law. If that were true I could see a situation where Trump may be deposed regarding that. Not to mention that he will most likely sit down with Mueller soon. While this is out of the purview of the investigation crazier things have happened.

My issue is that the same people who condemned Clinton are now saying " Trump gets a Mulligan" "He is Changed" Before a president is asked about an affair there has to be an outcry fro the public. Many of the GOP are trying to make this seem like no big deal where i believe a Democratic president would not receive the same forgiveness.

 

[Sapidus]

Well, given that we already know he cheated on one wife with the woman who became another wife, I would say that the people who voted for him were not overly concerned with whether or not he cheated on a wife. I thought that was common knowledge, but apparently it is not with you.

As far as the differences with Clinton, there was no suborning perjury, there was no perjuring himself, there was no distraction from the public job of president (BJ while a head-of-state was waiting on him), there's no lying to the public, there's no supervisor/subordinate role involved, etc. There are so many differences as to make the comparison very labored and difficult to see.

Again. I see a lot of excuses for his behavior.

Whenever Trumps behavior towards women is brought up many people on here defend him by saying "Clinton used a woman as a humidor" "that skirt chaser Clinton was worse"


No one says " well Clinton lied to the American people" Trump lies to the American people multiple times a day

Once Trump paid her $130K for her silence i would say she became a subordinate.

 

[vraiblonde]

The Lewinsky affair wasn't about the affair - the sex. It was about Clinton lying under oath about it.

This. I get sick and tired of the revisionist history when it comes to the ####ing Clintons. "Oh, it was just sex..." NO, dumbass, it WASN'T "just sex", and in fact it wasn't SEX at all.

GOD! These people!!!!

And let's also add in there that there was actual DNA proof that Bill Clinton spooged all over Miss Lewinsky - AFTER he stood on national TV, wagged his nasty coochy finger, and flat out LIED to us.

To my knowledge, this Stormy Daniels person is just a rumor and she-said. If there is proof that this person engaged in sex with President Trump while he was A) married to Melania; and B) sitting in the Oval Office, I would be very interested in seeing it.

SO! If we want to talk about hypocrisy, let's talk about why the leftwing media tried desperately to bury the Lewinsky story (and the Gennifer Flowers story, and the Juanita Broaddrick story, and the Kathleen Willey story, and and and), even after there was proof, and yet are going crazy with these Stormy Daniels rumors.

 

[Gilligan]

Why do you believe Trump will never be under oath for this?

Why is all the crap you post always wild speculation, poorly developed hypotheticals, and outright lies?

Just curious.

 

[Gilligan]

My issue is that the same people who condemned Clinton .

Gawd you are thick. Nobody really cared much that Willy got his knob routinely polished in the Oval Office. I mean...come on..look at the mess he was married to. Our issues - and what got him impeached - were with the fact that he blatantly lied to our collective faces..and lied under oath as well.

 

[vraiblonde]

Why is all the crap you post always wild speculation, poorly developed hypotheticals, and outright lies?

Just curious.

Because that's all these psychos have - rumors and speculation. Which gets blathered around enough that people accept it as truth, even though there is no proof or even a credible source. Oh, "some anonymous staffer"...yeah, that's credible.

I get so sick of this #### and these idiotic people.

 

[Sapidus]

Gawd you are thick. Nobody really cared much that Willy got his knob routinely polished in the Oval Office. I mean...come on..look at the mess he was married to. Our issues - and what got him impeached - were with the fact that he blatantly lied to our collective faces..and lied under oath as well.

BS. I've seen you and others post in defense of Trump's behavior that Clinton has sex in the white house, cheated on Hilary and made all kinds of comments on his sexual behavior.

Never once has the crux of your argument been that or the first accusation been Clinton lied.

 

[Gilligan]

BS. I've seen you and others post in defense of Trump's behavior that Clinton has sex in the white house, cheated on Hilary and made all kinds of comments on his sexual behavior.

.

Links or you are lying...yet again. You have a serious problem with that. Get help.

 

[Sapidus]

Because that's all these psychos have - rumors and speculation. Which gets blathered around enough that people accept it as truth, even though there is no proof or even a credible source. Oh, "some anonymous staffer"...yeah, that's credible.

I get so sick of this #### and these idiotic people.

So he gave her $130,000 out of the goodness of his heart?

He cheated on and left his 2nd wife for Melania but you think the Stormy Daniels story is implausible?

 

[vraiblonde]

Nobody really cared much that Willy got his knob routinely polished in the Oval Office. I mean...come on..look at the mess he was married to.

Serious. Sappy wasn't born yet, but I remember the prevailing attitude toward the cheating as, "Well, yeah. Wouldn't you if that's what you had to deal with at home?"

I had a much bigger problem with Willy Jeff sending state troopers to escort Paula Jones up to his hotel room, where he sexually assaulted her. Oh, and then there was the part where the Clintonistas paid off that judge to rule against her. I remember that like yesterday because it was at that moment that I realized powerful people can do anything they want...and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[vraiblonde]

So he gave her $130,000 out of the goodness of his heart?

He cheated on and left his 2nd wife for Melania but you think the Stormy Daniels story is implausible?

I give zero ####s about Stormy Daniels. And he did not leave Marla Maples for Melania. As usual, you don't know anything about it, even though it was highly publicized and all over the news and tabloids.

 

[Gilligan]

So he gave her $130,000 out of the goodness of his heart?

He cheated on and left his 2nd wife for Melania but you think the Stormy Daniels story is implausible?

Looks like the legs are falling off the story.... ;-)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/23/experts-feds-unlikely-pursue-alleged-trump-lawyer-payments-ex-porn-star/1058475001/

 

[PsyOps]

Why do you believe Trump will never be under oath for this?

There is speculation from the timing of the payment that it may have broken campaign finance law. If that were true I could see a situation where Trump may be deposed regarding that. Not to mention that he will most likely sit down with Mueller soon. While this is out of the purview of the investigation crazier things have happened.

My issue is that the same people who condemned Clinton are now saying " Trump gets a Mulligan" "He is Changed" Before a president is asked about an affair there has to be an outcry fro the public. Many of the GOP are trying to make this seem like no big deal where i believe a Democratic president would not receive the same forgiveness.

You remain in a constant state of hopefulness that Trump will be found guilty of committing some sort of crime. Keep hoping. I'm agnostic to any of that. There has been nothing presented thus far that Trump is guilty of any crime. That's not to say he hasn't; but there is no evidence so far. Has Trump done some stupid things? Sure! I'm not one to cast the first stone.

But, I'm not going to dredge up some unrelated hypothetical in order to call those I disagree with hypocrites. Clinton, and his abuse of power, did something that any executive would be fired for. Not just having sex with an underling, but doing in his executive office. Clinton took it a step farther by perjuring himself over it.

Again, if this is about perjury, I don't understand the point in all of this. If it is about the sex, then you know by now that I find that sort of behavior reprehensible. When it comes to voting, I will weigh those issues, along with the many others that help me make my decisions. When matched against real issues that affect my life, having an affair is pretty low on the list of disqualifiers.

 

[GURPS]

The question was "if Trump was questioned under oath and lied......"

so ya got nothing but supposition and you are playing 'What IF Games'

 

[GURPS]

Why do you believe Trump will never be under oath for this?

Nope ....

There is speculation from the timing of the payment that it may have broken campaign finance law.

what speculation is that .. since no one is talking about it - other than progbots playing word games

 

[Sapidus]

what speculation is that .. since no one is talking about it - other than progbots playing word games

Yeah. I've never heard of this Fortune magazine. Bunch a nobody's

http://fortune.com/2018/01/22/trump-campaign-stormy-daniels-watchdog-group/

 

[vraiblonde]

Had Trump waited until he became President to pay off his porn star he could have used public funds like the Democrats do to pay off their mistresses. What kind of politician uses their own money to hush up their hookers???

 

[GURPS]

To my knowledge, this Stormy Daniels person is just a rumor and she-said.

..... and yet are going crazy with these Stormy Daniels rumors.

allegedly SD gave an interview before being paid and signing an NDA to keep her mouth shut

all of this exploded on the scene because her [or the other porn star] publicist went running his mouth to the Press, making assumptions because his client wouldn't talk

he has since retracted his statement, and on a side note is involved with Gloria Aldred

 

[This_person]

Again. I see a lot of excuses for his behavior.

Not sure what you're seeing, but that's not what I'm showing. Cheating is morally repugnant, but people knew about him having cheated (like they knew about Gennifer Flowers, et all, with Clinton) and elected him anyway. :shrug:

Whenever Trumps behavior towards women is brought up many people on here defend him by saying "Clinton used a woman as a humidor" "that skirt chaser Clinton was worse"

I never said any of that in this thread.

No one says " well Clinton lied to the American people" Trump lies to the American people multiple times a day

I specifically said Clinton lied to the American people. I understand you believe Trump lies, but I see it far less (not never, just less) than you do. And I've never seen it cost us tens of millions of dollars to investigate his lies followed by proof of his lies followed by sort-of half-assed admission of lies.

Once Trump paid her $130K for her silence i would say she became a subordinate.

No proof that happened, but even if it did she would not be his subordinate, and the action would not have happened when she was a subordinate, and the taxpayer would not be on the hook to pay for her claims since they were neither government employees at the time.

 

[GURPS]

Nobody really cared much that Willy got his knob routinely polished in the Oval Office.

I do, so the Chief Executive, he should NOT be involved with subordinates