Stormy Daniels and Monica Lewinsky? Why the Hypocrisy

[vraiblonde]

I do, so the Chief Executive, he should NOT be involved with subordinates

Not that I want to defend that POS, but by all accounts it was consensual and Miss Lewinsky was not pressured or threatened in any way. I think pointing out that she was a subordinate distracts from the actual issue, which was that Willy Jeff flat lied, right on TV not to mention under oath before a Grand Jury, and so did his nasty wife. "Vast right-wing conspiracy" anyone?

 

[Sapidus]

Had Trump waited until he became President to pay off his porn star he could have used public funds like the Democrats do to pay off their mistresses. What kind of politician uses their own money to hush up their hookers???

That's exactly the problem. He used campaign funds. Keep up.

Also I met Bill Clinton twice so I don't know why you think i was'nt alive yet but it keeps up your track record of wild accusations with no proof

 

[This_person]

Yeah. I've never heard of this Fortune magazine. Bunch a nobody's

http://fortune.com/2018/01/22/trump-campaign-stormy-daniels-watchdog-group/

There's speculation that the PizzaGate thing is real.

There's speculation that Obama's birth certificate was forged.

There's speculation that the Clinton Machine has people killed. There's actually more proof of that than many of the other things.

Do you interest yourself in all speculation, or just those that you would like to be true.

 

[Sapidus]

Not sure what you're seeing, but that's not what I'm showing. Cheating is morally repugnant, but people knew about him having cheated (like they knew about Gennifer Flowers, et all, with Clinton) and elected him anyway. :shrug:



I never said any of that in this thread. Good dodge.



I specifically said Clinton lied to the American people. I understand you believe Trump lies, but I see it far less (not never, just less) than you do. And I've never seen it cost us tens of millions of dollars to investigate his lies followed by proof of his lies followed by sort-of half-assed admission of lies. Just wait, how much do you think the russia investigation has cost? The flynn, the manafort?



No proof that happened, but even if it did she would not be his subordinate, and the action would not have happened when she was a subordinate, and the taxpayer would not be on the hook to pay for her claims since they were neither government employees at the time.

As i said I don't care who has sex with who or where. it is none of my concern. What i find troubling is the hypocrisy of the GOP to defend Trump while having condemned Clinton for the same behavior.

 

[vraiblonde]

your track record of wild accusations with no proof

OMG!

And now I cannot read your nonsense anymore and back on Ignore you go.

 

[This_person]

Just wait, how much do you think the russia investigation has cost? The flynn, the manafort?

Has Trump lied in any of those?

As i said I don't care who has sex with who or where. it is none of my concern. What i find troubling is the hypocrisy of the GOP to defend Trump while having condemned Clinton for the same behavior.

Who do you see defending him? How are they defending him? Everyone is saying, to the best of my reading - we don't like it, but it's not the same as Clinton. You've been given many differences. I'm not sure what the issue is - you asked a question and got an answer. That you don't like or agree with the answer is not really our problem, it is yours.

 

[Sapidus]

There's speculation that the PizzaGate thing is real.

There's speculation that Obama's birth certificate was forged.

There's speculation that the Clinton Machine has people killed. There's actually more proof of that than many of the other things.

Do you interest yourself in all speculation, or just those that you would like to be true.

I think your grasp on reality is slipping if you think a bunch of overweight basement dwellers with a dial up modem and a conspiracy theory are the same.

We know these payments happened. We know the source was intended to be concealed.

"The Wall Street Journal reported earlier this month that in 2016, Trump’s longtime attorney Michael Cohen had arranged for a payment of $130,000 to Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, to prevent her from publicizing an alleged sexual account that had occurred a decade earlier with the then-candidate. He paid her, according to the Journal, through a bank account linked to company called Essential Consultants LLC, which he set up in Delaware a month before the presidential election.


The complaint alleges that the payment was illegal because it was designed to influence the election and, at 130,000, it exceeds the maximum amount of $2,700 per person allotted under campaign finance law. The source of the $130,000 has also not been revealed, the complaint argues, and any individual who contributes over $200 to a campaign must disclose his or her identity. Since donations from corporations to federal candidates are prohibited, the complaint urges the DOJ and FEC to investigate the source."

http://fortune.com/2018/01/22/trump-campaign-stormy-daniels-watchdog-group/

 

[GURPS]

Common Cause Filed the lawsuit

from your link:

A nonpartisan watchdog group has filed complaints with both the Department of Justice and Federal Election Commission alleging that the reported payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels, who said she once had an affair with President Donald Trump, arguably violates campaign finance laws and should be subject to an investigation.

The group, Common Cause, sent copies of the complaint Monday to the FEC and the DOJ, the latter of which was addressed to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and accompanied by a letter requesting an investigation into the payment.

The Wall Street Journal reported earlier this month that in 2016, Trump’s longtime attorney Michael Cohen had arranged for a payment of $130,000 to Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, to prevent her from publicizing an alleged sexual account that had occurred a decade earlier with the then-candidate. He paid her, according to the Journal, through a bank account linked to company called Essential Consultants LLC, which he set up in Delaware a month before the presidential election.

The complaint alleges that the payment was illegal because it was designed to influence the election and, at 130,000, it exceeds the maximum amount of $2,700 per person allotted under campaign finance law. The source of the $130,000 has also not been revealed, the complaint argues, and any individual who contributes over $200 to a campaign must disclose his or her identity. Since donations from corporations to federal candidates are prohibited, the complaint urges the DOJ and FEC to investigate the source. ​

COMMON CAUSE (CC)

• Lobbying organization which once called for defunding U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War
• Has led advocacy efforts on campaign finance reform, including the McCain-Feingold Act
• Is supported by the Carnegie Corporation, the Ford Foundation, the Open Society Institute, and the Tides Foundation

Founded in 1970, Common Cause (CC) is a “nonpartisan” lobbying and nonprofit organization that began as an outgrowth of the Urban Coalition Action Council. CC's mission is to serve as a “people’s lobby” that “uphold the core values of American democracy” by: (a) “creat[ing] open, honest, and accountable government that serves the public interest”; (b) “promot[ing] equal rights, opportunity, and representation for all”; and (c) “empower[ing] all people to make their voices heard in the political process.” At its inception, CC consisted of approximately 4,000 core members. By November 2017, it had 900,000 members as well as offices in 35 U.S. states.

The founder of CC was the late John Gardner, who served as Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare under President Lyndon Johnson and has been described as “the engineer of President Johnson's Great Society.” In addition, Gardner was president of the Carnegie Corporation from 1955-65.

One of CC's leading executives in its early years was Morton Halperin.

Common Cause was one of the first groups in America to establish a permanent telephone bank to prod its members to contact their congressional representatives on issues of import. Toward that end, CC organized numerous large-scale letter-writing campaigns. Its first notable lobbying victory came in 1971 with the adoption of the 26th amendment, which lowered the legal voting age from 21 to 18. The organization found success again three years later with yet another key lobbying issue: defunding the Vietnam War.

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CC's current board chairman is former U.S. Labor Secretary Robert Reich, and its vice chair is Martha Tierney, who co-chairs the Colorado Lawyers Committee's Election Task Force and is a cooperating attorney with the ACLU.

just Like CREW yet another progressive run group with lawsuits

 

[GURPS]

Not that I want to defend that POS, but by all accounts it was consensual and Miss Lewinsky was not pressured or threatened in any way. I think pointing out that she was a subordinate distracts from the actual issue, which was that Willy Jeff flat lied, right on TV not to mention under oath before a Grand Jury, and so did his nasty wife. "Vast right-wing conspiracy" anyone?

any dude that can get a girl to blow him more power to him .... However

so you think it is 'ok' for a boss or supervisor to bang the hired help ?

it has the appearance of impropriety ... is she getting a promotion or other special privileges because she is ####ing the boss

 

[This_person]

I think your grasp on reality is slipping if you think a bunch of overweight basement dwellers with a dial up modem and a conspiracy theory are the same.

We know these payments happened. We know the source was intended to be concealed.

"The Wall Street Journal reported earlier this month that in 2016, Trump’s longtime attorney Michael Cohen had arranged for a payment of $130,000 to Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, to prevent her from publicizing an alleged sexual account that had occurred a decade earlier with the then-candidate. He paid her, according to the Journal, through a bank account linked to company called Essential Consultants LLC, which he set up in Delaware a month before the presidential election.


The complaint alleges that the payment was illegal because it was designed to influence the election and, at 130,000, it exceeds the maximum amount of $2,700 per person allotted under campaign finance law. The source of the $130,000 has also not been revealed, the complaint argues, and any individual who contributes over $200 to a campaign must disclose his or her identity. Since donations from corporations to federal candidates are prohibited, the complaint urges the DOJ and FEC to investigate the source."

http://fortune.com/2018/01/22/trump-campaign-stormy-daniels-watchdog-group/

So, because the internet site for Fortune reports that the Wall Street Journal alleges these payments, that's better reality than all of the sites that report on Seth Rich (just picking one to keep it clean) and John Podesta's involvement with his death?

 

[Sapidus]

Has Trump lied in any of those?



Who do you see defending him? How are they defending him? Everyone is saying, to the best of my reading - we don't like it, but it's not the same as Clinton. You've been given many differences. I'm not sure what the issue is - you asked a question and got an answer. That you don't like or agree with the answer is not really our problem, it is yours.

I am not talking about you you self centered troglidyte. Why is that so difficult to understand that not everything is about you?

Do you think Tony Perkins would give Clinton a "Mulligan" on affair? You think Jerry falwell Jr would say Clinton " was a changed man"?

 

[This_person]

I am not talking about you you self centered troglidyte. Why is that so difficult to understand that not everything is about you?

Do you think Tony Perkins would give Clinton a "Mulligan" on affair? You think Jerry falwell Jr would say Clinton " was a changed man"?

He would have to show some signs of changing to have those things said, I imagine.

But, I don't think you asked Tony Perkins or Jerry Falwell, Jr., these questions. Your questions were asked of SOMD forumites. We answered. That you don't like or agree with the answer is not really our problem, it is yours.

 

[Gilligan]

I am not talking about you you self centered troglidyte. Why is that so difficult to understand that not everything is about you?

Do you think Tony Perkins would give Clinton a "Mulligan" on affair? You think Jerry falwell Jr would say Clinton " was a changed man"?

Ramble incoherently much?

 

[stgislander]

I am not talking about you you self centered troglidyte. Why is that so difficult to understand that not everything is about you?

Do you think Tony Perkins would give Clinton a "Mulligan" on affair? You think Jerry falwell Jr would say Clinton " was a changed man"?

He would have to show some signs of changing to have those things said, I imagine.

But, I don't think you asked Tony Perkins or Jerry Falwell, Jr., these questions. Your questions were asked of SOMD forumites. We answered. That you don't like or agree with the answer is not really our problem, it is yours.

Wow... troglidyte (sp).

 

[Sapidus]

So, because the internet site for Fortune reports that the Wall Street Journal alleges these payments, that's better reality than all of the sites that report on Seth Rich (just picking one to keep it clean) and John Podesta's involvement with his death?

Absolutely .

Fortune magazine and the wall street journal employ fact checkers and are huge Multibillion companies with a lot at stake and reputations to protect.


ConspiracyDailystormer.altright. com is a blogger speculating on something they have no proof of just trying to get page views.

 

[GURPS]

Absolutely .

Fortune magazine and the wall street journal employ fact checkers ......

well ya got nothing, since NO ONE Is Talking ... only unsubstantiated accusations


someone formed an LLC
someone wrote a check

 

[This_person]

Absolutely .

Fortune magazine and the wall street journal employ fact checkers and are huge Multibillion companies with a lot at stake and reputations to protect.


ConspiracyDailystormer.altright. com is a blogger speculating on something they have no proof of just trying to get page views.

How about WJLA, that reports it was likely a hired killer or serial killer?

 

[vraiblonde]

so you think it is 'ok' for a boss or supervisor to bang the hired help ?

I think workplace romances happen all the time. It's how they're handled that is important, not that they happen.

Had Willy Jeff simply said, "Yep, I did indeed succumb to the charms of a hot young woman to reward myself for continuing to put up with my mean ugly wife," the public would have been like, :shrug:. No big investigation, no impeachment. Sure, some folks would have had a #### fit, but they'd have had to just go be mad. Bill Clinton was impeached for committing perjury, which is hilarious considering the multitude of impeachable offenses he committed that nobody wanted to charge him with officially.

My comment at the time was, "Just like Capone finally got nailed for tax evasion."

 

[vraiblonde]

And I vividly recall this exchange:

Guy: Well, it wasn't really sex...
Other guy: Great! So if I can get your wife to give me a blowjob that should be okay with you.

 

[Hijinx]

I believe that one of the major reasons that most people are willing to ignore this story of some Porn star having sex with Trump is that people other than Trump haters have become immune to charges against Trump because so many have been and are being made every day.
Just plain sick of the Hate Trump BS day after day after day. The Cry Wolf syndrome.

When you guys spill your bile every day it gets a bit old and people tend not to pay much attention to it.

Just another day of crying because Trump was elected.Wipe your tears and get a life.