Pete said:Did they ever think this law would ever stand up in court? The conversion of "Benefit" to "Entitlement" is nearly complete anyway.
Tish, you know it drives me crazy when you speak Latin.Larry Gude said:...was that when it passed, it was presented as a fait au compli. I don't remember much, or any, press about the courts even looking at it.
This falls under the 'YOU CAN'T DO THAT!" category and, at least for once, one branch of government held another responsible for it's actions.
It's a great day for Americans.
FromTexas said:Its funny when you read the discussions after the news story links on this win. The vast majority are about how big business won again, how Walmart is anti-everybody, etc... A lot of people question the judges ruling as blowing smoke to support big business. It is amazing to realize how far from capitalism the majority of the country's belief system has come. You can see it everywhere. No one seems to remember that capitalism is what made us the powerhouse we are.
Basically, it said that any company over X number of employees had to provide health insurance to it's employees. Wal-Mart is the only company with that many employees. Therefore, it was targeted directly at Wal-Mart.SamSpade said:I tried to read the article - but - I really couldn't follow it. I don't know the law or what it should be.
But I do remember news articles claiming that this piece of legislation was aimed specifically - and *ONLY* - at Wal-Mart. It was crafted in such a way as to punish them, and only them. The motivation to me undermines anything it hopes to accomplish regardless of the law.
ylexot said:Basically, it said that any company over X number of employees had to provide health insurance to it's employees. Wal-Mart is the only company with that many employees. Therefore, it was targeted directly at Wal-Mart.
I hope you're right! Well actually, I hope it goes away from all companies.Kerad said:Health insurance as a benefit is going the way of pensions: Soon to be extinct everywhere except in the best companies to work for. Well...not including CEO's and upper management...
It's not feasible because companies just can't afford it anymore. Health insurance premiums are outrageously high - in most cases you're better off pocketing that money and paying for health care as you go.Kerad said:Health insurance as a benefit is going the way of pensions:
The court based it's decision on ERISA law. Going WAY back to my business classes ERISA in a nut shell (if I remember correctly) says all employees of a certain class MUST be offered the same level of benefits.SamSpade said:THAT much, I got. In fact, I recall an article some months ago that mentioned something like that - that the wording was to affect any company with X number of employees, when it was completely known that it was only ONE company that had that many. That fact however, wasn't the reason the court found fault with it. Their rationale, I couldn't follow.
ylexot said:Basically, it said that any company over X number of employees had to provide health insurance to it's employees. Wal-Mart is the only company with that many employees. Therefore, it was targeted directly at Wal-Mart.
Bruzilla said:I have a good friend who works for Wal Mart and they do provide health insurance (contrary to popular belief). It's not the greatest plan in the World, but I do like the methodology behind it. As per the CEO of Wal Mart, he believes that people should shop for their healthcare the same way they shop for anything else, and not just pay whatever the cost is without shopping around or questioning it. Most people have no clue what a medical procedure costs because their insurance pays the bill. They have no idea if a hospital down the road charges half of what the hospital they use now does. By reducing the copayments hopefully people will start shopping around for their healthcare. And if your attitude is "screw that! I'm going to use this doctor and I'll pay whatever he charges me" then you can do that too.
Ok, Wal-Mart is the only company that would be affected.Larry Gude said:...Giant is the other. They're union and they provide all sorts of benefits.
vraiblonde said:It's not feasible because companies just can't afford it anymore. Health insurance premiums are outrageously high - in most cases you're better off pocketing that money and paying for health care as you go.
People with medical conditions that exceed $400 a month are rare. Family plans are up to $600 a month. It's ridiculous.
Good lord. I haven't seen the bill in awhile.Larry Gude said:....family is WELL over $1,000 on a policy I paid $600 a month for 10 years ago.