Take THAT, you Leftists

Pete

Repete
Did they ever think this law would ever stand up in court? The conversion of "Benefit" to "Entitlement" is nearly complete anyway.
 

FromTexas

This Space for Rent
Its funny when you read the discussions after the news story links on this win. The vast majority are about how big business won again, how Walmart is anti-everybody, etc... A lot of people question the judges ruling as blowing smoke to support big business. It is amazing to realize how far from capitalism the majority of the country's belief system has come. You can see it everywhere. No one seems to remember that capitalism is what made us the powerhouse we are.
 

Larry Gude

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One of the things that struck me...

Pete said:
Did they ever think this law would ever stand up in court? The conversion of "Benefit" to "Entitlement" is nearly complete anyway.

...was that when it passed, it was presented as a fait au compli. I don't remember much, or any, press about the courts even looking at it.

This falls under the 'YOU CAN'T DO THAT!" category and, at least for once, one branch of government held another responsible for it's actions.

It's a great day for Americans.
 

Pete

Repete
Larry Gude said:
...was that when it passed, it was presented as a fait au compli. I don't remember much, or any, press about the courts even looking at it.

This falls under the 'YOU CAN'T DO THAT!" category and, at least for once, one branch of government held another responsible for it's actions.

It's a great day for Americans.
Tish, you know it drives me crazy when you speak Latin.
 

SamSpade

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FromTexas said:
Its funny when you read the discussions after the news story links on this win. The vast majority are about how big business won again, how Walmart is anti-everybody, etc... A lot of people question the judges ruling as blowing smoke to support big business. It is amazing to realize how far from capitalism the majority of the country's belief system has come. You can see it everywhere. No one seems to remember that capitalism is what made us the powerhouse we are.

I tried to read the article - but - I really couldn't follow it. I don't know the law or what it should be.

But I do remember news articles claiming that this piece of legislation was aimed specifically - and *ONLY* - at Wal-Mart. It was crafted in such a way as to punish them, and only them. The motivation to me undermines anything it hopes to accomplish regardless of the law.
 

ylexot

Super Genius
SamSpade said:
I tried to read the article - but - I really couldn't follow it. I don't know the law or what it should be.

But I do remember news articles claiming that this piece of legislation was aimed specifically - and *ONLY* - at Wal-Mart. It was crafted in such a way as to punish them, and only them. The motivation to me undermines anything it hopes to accomplish regardless of the law.
Basically, it said that any company over X number of employees had to provide health insurance to it's employees. Wal-Mart is the only company with that many employees. Therefore, it was targeted directly at Wal-Mart.
 

SamSpade

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ylexot said:
Basically, it said that any company over X number of employees had to provide health insurance to it's employees. Wal-Mart is the only company with that many employees. Therefore, it was targeted directly at Wal-Mart.

THAT much, I got. In fact, I recall an article some months ago that mentioned something like that - that the wording was to affect any company with X number of employees, when it was completely known that it was only ONE company that had that many. That fact however, wasn't the reason the court found fault with it. Their rationale, I couldn't follow.
 

Kerad

New Member
Provide health insurance? :confused: I didn't realize anybody offered health insurence anymore. :slightlysarcastic:

Health insurance as a benefit is going the way of pensions: Soon to be extinct everywhere except in the best companies to work for. Well...not including CEO's and upper management...
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Kerad said:
Health insurance as a benefit is going the way of pensions: Soon to be extinct everywhere except in the best companies to work for. Well...not including CEO's and upper management...
I hope you're right! Well actually, I hope it goes away from all companies.
 

vraiblonde

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Kerad said:
Health insurance as a benefit is going the way of pensions:
It's not feasible because companies just can't afford it anymore. Health insurance premiums are outrageously high - in most cases you're better off pocketing that money and paying for health care as you go.

People with medical conditions that exceed $400 a month are rare. Family plans are up to $600 a month. It's ridiculous.
 

Pete

Repete
SamSpade said:
THAT much, I got. In fact, I recall an article some months ago that mentioned something like that - that the wording was to affect any company with X number of employees, when it was completely known that it was only ONE company that had that many. That fact however, wasn't the reason the court found fault with it. Their rationale, I couldn't follow.
The court based it's decision on ERISA law. Going WAY back to my business classes ERISA in a nut shell (if I remember correctly) says all employees of a certain class MUST be offered the same level of benefits.

Thus

If Maryland forced Wal-Mart to spend a sum equal to 8% of payroll on health insurance it would make Maryland based employees eligible for greater benefits than say a Wisconsin based employee, which is in violation of federal law.
 
B

Bruzilla

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I have a good friend who works for Wal Mart and they do provide health insurance (contrary to popular belief). It's not the greatest plan in the World, but I do like the methodology behind it. As per the CEO of Wal Mart, he believes that people should shop for their healthcare the same way they shop for anything else, and not just pay whatever the cost is without shopping around or questioning it. Most people have no clue what a medical procedure costs because their insurance pays the bill. They have no idea if a hospital down the road charges half of what the hospital they use now does. By reducing the copayments hopefully people will start shopping around for their healthcare. And if your attitude is "screw that! I'm going to use this doctor and I'll pay whatever he charges me" then you can do that too.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Not so...

ylexot said:
Basically, it said that any company over X number of employees had to provide health insurance to it's employees. Wal-Mart is the only company with that many employees. Therefore, it was targeted directly at Wal-Mart.

...Giant is the other. They're union and they provide all sorts of benefits.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Isn't it ironic...

Bruzilla said:
I have a good friend who works for Wal Mart and they do provide health insurance (contrary to popular belief). It's not the greatest plan in the World, but I do like the methodology behind it. As per the CEO of Wal Mart, he believes that people should shop for their healthcare the same way they shop for anything else, and not just pay whatever the cost is without shopping around or questioning it. Most people have no clue what a medical procedure costs because their insurance pays the bill. They have no idea if a hospital down the road charges half of what the hospital they use now does. By reducing the copayments hopefully people will start shopping around for their healthcare. And if your attitude is "screw that! I'm going to use this doctor and I'll pay whatever he charges me" then you can do that too.

...that a company who is noted for being the cheapest place to shop is expected to provide high end benefits?
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Try again...

vraiblonde said:
It's not feasible because companies just can't afford it anymore. Health insurance premiums are outrageously high - in most cases you're better off pocketing that money and paying for health care as you go.

People with medical conditions that exceed $400 a month are rare. Family plans are up to $600 a month. It's ridiculous.

....family is WELL over $1,000 on a policy I paid $600 a month for 10 years ago.
 

vraiblonde

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Larry Gude said:
....family is WELL over $1,000 on a policy I paid $600 a month for 10 years ago.
Good lord. :faint: I haven't seen the bill in awhile.

$12,000 a year. Isn't that something?
 
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