Target: Please don't bring firearms into our stores

[Tilted]

http://abullseyeview.com/2014/07/target-addresses-firearms-in-stores/

The leadership team has been weighing a complex issue, and I want to be sure everyone understands our thoughts and ultimate decision.

As you’ve likely seen in the media, there has been a debate about whether guests in communities that permit “open carry” should be allowed to bring firearms into Target stores. Our approach has always been to follow local laws, and of course, we will continue to do so. But starting today we will also respectfully request that guests not bring firearms to Target – even in communities where it is permitted by law.

We’ve listened carefully to the nuances of this debate and respect the protected rights of everyone involved. In return, we are asking for help in fulfilling our goal to create an atmosphere that is safe and inviting for our guests and team members.

This is a complicated issue, but it boils down to a simple belief: Bringing firearms to Target creates an environment that is at odds with the family-friendly shopping and work experience we strive to create.

 

[protectmd]

The criminals will take note and act accordingly.

By decree of the CEO and chairman of the board of Target, criminals thou shall not bring firearms or other weaponry into their stores when committing crimes. They are to be left in their vehicles when committing crimes at Target along with the other common citizenry who obey the laws and rules of the United States, this state, and the Target Corporation. Those who violate this order, will be found in violation and dealt with by unarmed security guards and unarmed loss prevention who carry only handcuffs.

 

[LibertyBeacon]

I respect private property and the rules laid out by the owners. If I welcome you in my home, you can bring your gun, but you are not allowed to take a crap on my kitchen table. Violate that rule, and you will be asked to leave.

I don't see the point in these senseless arguments. The issue here is not guns, the issue is private property.

 

[Hijinx]

The criminals will take note and act accordingly.

By decree of the CEO and chairman of the board of Target, criminals thou shall not bring firearms or other weaponry into their stores when committing crimes. They are to be left in their vehicles when committing crimes at Target along with the other common citizenry who obey the laws and rules of the United States, this state, and the Target Corporation. Those who violate this order, will be found in violation and dealt with by unarmed security guards and unarmed loss prevention who carry only handcuffs.

In Maryland this is no problem at all. We are ion a State that does not allow firearms to anyone unless we kiss the buttocks of the State Police to get a permit.

However I don't go to Target often and will now go less. No problem, they aren't that great a store to begin with.

 

[MMM_donuts]

They're simply asking gun owners to be respectful of their other customers.

It freaks people out to see someone walking through a store with a weapon.

They aren't saying you CAN'T nor are they fighting to take your 2nd amendment "rights" away, they're just saying "please don't do this here, it's bad for business."

If you'd like people to be respectful of your wishes on your property, you have to consider being respectful of them on theirs.

 

[Midnightrider]

They're simply asking gun owners to be respectful of their other customers.

It freaks people out to see someone walking through a store with a weapon.

They aren't saying you CAN'T nor are they fighting to take your 2nd amendment "rights" away, they're just saying "please don't do this here, it's bad for business."

If you'd like people to be respectful of your wishes on your property, you have to consider being respectful of them on theirs.

And the only reason target even needed to ask was that a few tools decided target would be a good place to 'protest' by open carrying in the store. Sometimes gun owners are our own worst enemies.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

And the only reason target even needed to ask was that a few tools decided target would be a good place to 'protest' by open carrying in the store. Sometimes gun owners are our own worst enemies.

If they were dressed in button-ups and khakis (or a police uniform), people wouldn't bitch about open carrying, but when you show up in camo pants and "cold dead hands" t-shirts, you look like a whacko.

That being said, what they are doing is legal, but this is a private property issue, not a 2A one.

 

[vraiblonde]

Sometimes gun owners are our own worst enemies.

This right here ^^

However, if we can establish that carrying a gun is a right under our Constitution, the question becomes "Can Target restrict our Constitutional rights?" Oh, and "Is a Target store considered private property?"

If I were hard core adamant about my right to carry a firearm at all times, I simply wouldn't shop at Target. But I'm boring like that.

 

[Lurk]

Maybe not the 2A wackos after all. Probably because of more immediate concerns:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/30/north.carolina.shooting/

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22059393/man-arrested-robbery-and-shooting-at-aurora-target

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/04/15/2-hurt-in-shooting-outside-busy-richmond-target-store/

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7694832/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-target-store/2012/05/01/gIQAZhcJuT_blog.html

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=shooting+in+target+store

 

[LibertyBeacon]

If they were dressed in button-ups and khakis (or a police uniform), people wouldn't bitch about open carrying, but when you show up in camo pants and "cold dead hands" t-shirts, you look like a whacko.

That being said, what they are doing is legal, but this is a private property issue, not a 2A one.

Roger that. These people who claim to be for gun control are not really for gun control. The government will still need arms (police) in order to have the tools which are needed to disarm the citizens. That's OK by the gun control crowd. So they aren't really for gun control. They are for the elite chosen few to be armed.

 

[MMM_donuts]

It's my understanding that 2nd amendment rights are not violated unless the government tries to make some sore of federal law that says you can't have a firearm.

A business wouldn't be violating your personal right to carry a firearm just by asking you not to bring them on their property. Yes? No?

 

[Lurk]

It's my understanding that 2nd amendment rights are not violated unless the government tries to make some sore of federal law that says you can't have a firearm.

A business wouldn't be violating your personal right to carry a firearm just by asking you not to bring them on their property. Yes? No?

Normally, this could be true. However, given that the language of the Amendment itself does not mention the Congress, your interpretation might not be valid.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[MMDad]

It's my understanding that 2nd amendment rights are not violated unless the government tries to make some sore of federal law that says you can't have a firearm.

A business wouldn't be violating your personal right to carry a firearm just by asking you not to bring them on their property. Yes? No?

Except that the Bill of Rights is applicable to the states as well. So it wouldn't just be a federal law, a state law can also be a violation.

But this is not a 2nd Amendment issue, it is a private property issue. No different than not allowing protestors inside the store.

 

[Tilted]

It's my understanding that 2nd amendment rights are not violated unless the government tries to make some sore of federal law that says you can't have a firearm.

A business wouldn't be violating your personal right to carry a firearm just by asking you not to bring them on their property. Yes? No?

Correct. The notion of rights, at least as most are specified in the Constitution, refers to protection against government action - they are limitations on what governments can do. The right to a carry a firearm is a prohibition on the government telling you you can't, not a prohibition on private parties (within their legitimate respective areas of control) telling you you can't or any parties (government or private) being required to assist you in carrying a firearm (e.g. by providing you with one).

For that matter, the Second Amendment itself isn't even a limitation on state government's authority to tell you you can't have a firearm. It's actually the Fourteenth Amendment that limits that, the Second Amendment (as well as most of the Bill or Rights) was originally only intended to apply to the actions of the federal government.

 

[MMM_donuts]

Normally, this could be true. However, given that the language of the Amendment itself does not mention the Congress, your interpretation might not be valid.

How do states like Maryland get away with not allowing any of their citizens to carry firearms around?

 

[NextJen]

Guns and Target, it's not like they even go together.

 

[Lurk]

How do states like Maryland get away with not allowing any of their citizens to carry firearms around?

They allow a few to own and carry. They allow a few more to own but not carry. They haven't met this United States Supreme Court yet.

 

[MMDad]

How do states like Maryland get away with not allowing any of their citizens to carry firearms around?

They do allow the select few to do it. The debate is whether their restrictions are unconstitutional or not. The challenges are working their way through the courts, and it is a constantly evolving situation.

 

[Lurk]

the Second Amendment (as well as most of the Bill or Rights) was originally only intended to apply to the actions of the federal government.

That's prominently displayed in the paragraph immediately following the paragraph on muskets, right?

 

[Hank]

In Maryland this is no problem at all. We are ion a State that does not allow firearms to anyone unless we kiss the buttocks of the State Police to get a permit.

However I don't go to Target often and will now go less. No problem, they aren't that great a store to begin with.

Is this what you want?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/georgia-showdown-guns-everywhere