Tesla Hate

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
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There are those who have accounts and sign in just to be able to read posts, but do not post themselves. So base the purge on un-logged-in accounts.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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What the site needs to do is a purge of accounts that are idle after a year. If they really want to post they can sign up again.

The SECOND I do that I'll get an email from one of them wanting to know why they can't log in. The accounts aren't hurting anything, so I'll leave them be.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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I have pointed this out a few times. Musk supported the democrat agenda for over a decade. He posted that Trump was too old to be president and should just sail off into the sunset. Trump said he could make Musk drop to his knees and beg and said he was building rocket ships to nowhere. Trump called Musk a bullshit artist. Musk said he was ready to back DeSantis in the republican primary.

So what?

That's a real question: so what?

Let's mention that Kamala Harris called Biden a racist and white supremacist on global TV during a presidential debate....then went on to become his VP.

Politicians and public figures spout nonsense for performance art.

They change their minds given more information.

Rush Limbaugh ripped Trump on the regular during the 2016 primary, fully and wholeheartedly backed Ted Cruz. >> a few years, he's fully onboard the train and Trump is giving him a medal.

Musk is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Worse than, say, Marco Rubio? Or JD Vance? Or TULSI GABBARD? (Tulsi thinks I've forgotten that she posted an hysterical screed about tanks on the Mall when Trump was planning a 4th of July celebration, but I haven't forgotten.)
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
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Nope. Retired. And all my savings are intact because I left the stock market in December, knowing what the Orange Fat ass was going to do to the economy, now entering a recession. Too bad punk.:D;)
:roflmao:

yeah… Getting fired is not being retired and the change in your beggar‘s cup isn’t the stock market.
 

phreddyp

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Nope. Retired. And all my savings are intact because I left the stock market in December, knowing what the Orange Fat ass was going to do to the economy, now entering a recession. Too bad punk.:D;)
So, in other words, you have pussed out! Recessions with corrections are good, with crashes are great! On another note, why would you worry about losing $5.50 in the market?
 

herb749

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The SECOND I do that I'll get an email from one of them wanting to know why they can't log in. The accounts aren't hurting anything, so I'll leave them be.

I glanced at just a few names at the beginning of the list. There are accounts from 2006 with one post.
 

22AcaciaAve

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Yep, nobody has ever switched parties before. And both men have a habit of shooting off at the mouth. And we've talked about this "pulling every contract" thing before.

1. Nobody else has the capacity to deliver to orbit the supplies that the ISS needs. And certainly not at the cost that SpaceX charges.
2. Nobody else (except the Russians) has the capacity to send people to the ISS. Hell, manned spaceflight at all.
3. Nobody else can offer high speed low latency satellite internet to the govt.
4. Nobody else can offer a standalone high speed, high redundancy DOD only encrypted satellite/intel network.

SpaceX launched 25 govt only missions just in 2024. StarShield, ISS crew and cargo, national intelligence and science payloads.

You cancel them, who the hell do you think can pick up that capacity? Nobody in the damn world came even come close to that launch cadence. ULA did 5.

Lastly, People can and do disagree. Maybe Musk not getting his way means the end of his govt job. I suspect not.

The ISS is almost at end of life. Musk himself has come out and said it should be deorbited as soon as possible. Musk needs the US in order to launch his vehicles. Where else is he going to do that? We pull the plug and SpaceX will be out of business.

The US has, in pretty much total secrecy, launched, kept a mission alive for almost two years, and landed the X-37B space plane. Without Elon Musk. The capability is there, if we want to fund it.

And then there is DOGE. Government efficiency. How about cancelling all of those SpaceX contracts? How much could we save there? Since we are all about cutting government costs, let's trim those contracts. Haven't seen that happen yet. Not holding my breath either. I do hope it will happen one day. We shall see. It will obviously take a political change. Maybe if the other side gets in power they will be so pissed off that they go and do it. I don't want to see the left gain power back because they represent too many positions I am opposite with, but that would be one thing about it I would not oppose.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
The ISS is almost at end of life. Musk himself has come out and said it should be deorbited as soon as possible. Musk needs the US in order to launch his vehicles. Where else is he going to do that? We pull the plug and SpaceX will be out of business.

The US has, in pretty much total secrecy, launched, kept a mission alive for almost two years, and landed the X-37B space plane. Without Elon Musk. The capability is there, if we want to fund it.

And then there is DOGE. Government efficiency. How about cancelling all of those SpaceX contracts? How much could we save there? Since we are all about cutting government costs, let's trim those contracts. Haven't seen that happen yet. Not holding my breath either. I do hope it will happen one day. We shall see. It will obviously take a political change. Maybe if the other side gets in power they will be so pissed off that they go and do it. I don't want to see the left gain power back because they represent too many positions I am opposite with, but that would be one thing about it I would not oppose.

Not sure if you are seeing the big picture. Have you ever looked at the specs of the X-37? Hell, it gets to orbit as cargo on the freaking Falcon. Things cargo bed is the size of a pickup truck. The thing is very cool. And Boeing did do a good job on it. Boeing also got paid almost twice what SpaceX did to develop the Commercial Crew capsule (A bit over 2.5 billion to a bit under 4.5 billion) Now pay attention.
The capsule Boeing provided for CC was literally years later than SpaceX. Provided ZERO extra capability for almost double the money and schedule. Failed its first empty flight. Failed its second flight, stranding its passengers on the ISS? Brings a whole new meaning to "If it aint Boeing, I aint going!!!" So you think paying Boeing is going to get you better outcomes than paying SpaceX?

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So, all the satellites that SpaceX launches, those can sit idle while you wait for someone else to deliver the capability to launch that much stuff? ULA retired the Atlas. The Centaur will neve match the cadence or cost of Falcon or Falcon Heavy. Hard for expendable rockets to do that. Do you know how many foreign sat launches and billions of revenue that SpaceX brings in? They accounterd for more than half of the launches in the entire globe in 2024. Who you going to pay to stand up that capability?

You want efficiency? You already have it but want to destroy it because you don't like the guy. You would rather cost the US billions upon billions for less capability? Nobody else is reusing rockets. Not yet, and nobody will be able to scale that for years, a decade or more. You like throwing away mutil-hundred million dollar rockets with every launch?
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
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So, all the satellites that SpaceX launches, those can sit idle while you wait for someone else to deliver the capability to launch that much stuff? ULA retired the Atlas. The Centaur will neve match the cadence or cost of Falcon or Falcon Heavy. Hard for expendable rockets to do that. Do you know how many foreign sat launches and billions of revenue that SpaceX brings in? They accounterd for more than half of the launches in the entire globe in 2024. Who you going to pay to stand up that capability?

You want efficiency? You already have it but want to destroy it because you don't like the guy. You would rather cost the US billions upon billions for less capability? Nobody else is reusing rockets. Not yet, and nobody will be able to scale that for years, a decade or more. You like throwing away mutil-hundred million dollar rockets with every launch?

yeah, but Musk man bad!
 

BOP

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The ISS is almost at end of life. Musk himself has come out and said it should be deorbited as soon as possible. Musk needs the US in order to launch his vehicles. Where else is he going to do that? We pull the plug and SpaceX will be out of business.

The US has, in pretty much total secrecy, launched, kept a mission alive for almost two years, and landed the X-37B space plane. Without Elon Musk. The capability is there, if we want to fund it.

And then there is DOGE. Government efficiency. How about cancelling all of those SpaceX contracts? How much could we save there? Since we are all about cutting government costs, let's trim those contracts. Haven't seen that happen yet. Not holding my breath either. I do hope it will happen one day. We shall see. It will obviously take a political change. Maybe if the other side gets in power they will be so pissed off that they go and do it. I don't want to see the left gain power back because they represent too many positions I am opposite with, but that would be one thing about it I would not oppose.
You know there's a significant cost to terminating a contract, don't you?

Termination Settlement Proposals


In exchange for the government retaining the right to terminate most federal contracts for the convenience of the government, the FAR allows contractors to submit a convenience termination settlement proposal in which the terminated contractor may seek recovery of certain costs. FAR 49.201(a) states that such a settlement “should compensate the contractor fairly for the work done and the preparations made for the terminated portions of the contract, including a reasonable allowance for profit.”

There are two basic approaches to convenience termination settlement proposals: the “inventory basis” and the “total cost” basis. The submission requirements under these two approaches are discussed in turn below. In addition, we discuss unique convenience termination rules for commercial item contracts under FAR 12.403, as well as the general timing requirements for submitting convenience termination settlement proposals.

 

PeoplesElbow

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Not sure if you are seeing the big picture. Have you ever looked at the specs of the X-37? Hell, it gets to orbit as cargo on the freaking Falcon. Things cargo bed is the size of a pickup truck. The thing is very cool. And Boeing did do a good job on it. Boeing also got paid almost twice what SpaceX did to develop the Commercial Crew capsule (A bit over 2.5 billion to a bit under 4.5 billion) Now pay attention.
The capsule Boeing provided for CC was literally years later than SpaceX. Provided ZERO extra capability for almost double the money and schedule. Failed its first empty flight. Failed its second flight, stranding its passengers on the ISS? Brings a whole new meaning to "If it aint Boeing, I aint going!!!" So you think paying Boeing is going to get you better outcomes than paying SpaceX?

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So, all the satellites that SpaceX launches, those can sit idle while you wait for someone else to deliver the capability to launch that much stuff? ULA retired the Atlas. The Centaur will neve match the cadence or cost of Falcon or Falcon Heavy. Hard for expendable rockets to do that. Do you know how many foreign sat launches and billions of revenue that SpaceX brings in? They accounterd for more than half of the launches in the entire globe in 2024. Who you going to pay to stand up that capability?

You want efficiency? You already have it but want to destroy it because you don't like the guy. You would rather cost the US billions upon billions for less capability? Nobody else is reusing rockets. Not yet, and nobody will be able to scale that for years, a decade or more. You like throwing away mutil-hundred million dollar rockets with every launch?
Boeing, or should I say McDonnel-Douglas, gutted their engineering capability in the name of efficiency and bean counting and have paid for it ever since. After the merger the bean counting culture of McDonnell-Douglas took over vs the engineering first culture that Boeing use to have.
 
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glhs837

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Boeing, or should I say McDonnel-Douglas, gutted their engineering capability in the name of efficiency and bean counting and have paid for it ever since. After the merger the bean counting culture of McDonnell-Douglas took over vs the engineering first culture that Boeing use to have.

I know some damn good Boeing engineers. But they are kept on a tight leash.

And in todays media spin chamber, there's this. Bondi says flat out that criminal action towards Tesla will result on charges. Heaslines all scream that she threatened the protestors.


Oh, and some "civilian" guy in Seattle got his sidewalk parked Model 2 torched.

 
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PeoplesElbow

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I know some damn good Boeing engineers. But they are kept on a tight leash.

And in todays media spin chamber, there's this. Bondi says flat out that criminal action towards Tesla will result on charges. Heaslines all scream that she threatened the protestors.


Oh, and some "civilian" guy in Seattle got his sidewalk parked Model 2 torched.

As in illegally parked on the sidewalk? Can't say that wouldn't be satisfying to do to any ******* that does that no matter what they drive.

Is it a federal crime though? Would torching a Ford be less worthy of prosecuting?

As someone who doesn't believe hate crime laws should exist I don't think the crimes against a Tesla should be any different than crimes against any other car, business, or person.
 
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