Thanks to our new Democratic Governor

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,247259,00.html


Trying to see if he can do with our whole state what he did to Baltimore.

Thank you to all who cast your "protest votes"

Maryland May Offer In-State Tuition at Public Schools for Illegal Immigrants
Friday, January 26, 2007

By Jonathan N. Crawford

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ANNAPOLIS, Md. — With a new governor in power who has pledged support for inclusive immigration policies, Maryland may join 10 other states in allowing illegal immigrants to qualify for in-state tuition rates at the state's public colleges.

Illegal immigrants who attend Maryland high schools for a minimum of two years could benefit as early as this fall if legislation is passed that would have the effect of reducing by more than half the out-of-state tuition they currently must pay. Cost savings for each student would total more than $8,000 per year. The bill would also require undocumented immigrants to seek permanent residency status.

Democratic Delegate Victor R. Ramirez, the bill's primary sponsor, said immigrants should be given a chance to succeed.

"The least we can do, if we're allowing people to cut our yards, wash our cars, clean our houses for probably very cheap wages, the least you can do is let their children have an opportunity — that's the American way," he said.

But Delegate Richard K. Impallaria, a Republican critic of the bill, said it was "the height of arrogance" for people in the country illegally to think they should be entitled to in-state tuition.

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In Texas, which instituted a similar bill in the fall of 2001, in-state tuition forms at public universities don't require proof of citizenship or legal residency as is currently required in Maryland.

A bill similar to Ramirez's was vetoed by then-Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. in 2003. But Ramirez believes the bill will again pass the General Assembly and this time, with a Democratic governor in office, be signed into law.

Ramirez said that Gov. Martin O'Malley told him he is familiar with the concept of his bill.

"He (O'Malley) said he's inclined to sign it. So we feel optimistic that if we can get it to his desk that he'll sign it into law," said Ramirez.

According to O'Malley spokesman Sasha Leonhardt, the governor supports expanded opportunities for immigrants but wants to see the final version of legislation before deciding whether to sign it.

Ramirez said providing illegal immigrants more affordable education would pay dividends.

"We're the ones who are going to benefit because ultimately they're going to give back to society and become doctors, lawyers, scientists," he said.

Impallaria, on the other hand, said illegal immigrants would put an added financial strain on schools, drive up tuition costs and reduce the number of available slots at public schools for legal residents.

"You're rewarding people for breaking the law. And what they should be doing is going to the immigration people, paying the higher tuition and saying, 'look, I want to be an American citizen.' That should be priority one," he said.

While the population of illegal immigrants in Maryland was last estimated to be around 250,000 in 2005, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, it's unclear how many illegal immigrants would take advantage of this new bill if it passes.

Ramirez estimates that only a few hundred immigrants would seek in-state tuition. He added that most illegal immigrants wouldn't be able to afford college without federal financial aid, and that most of those who would benefit would be the top academic achievers who came to the country at an early age.

According to Josh Bernstein, of the National Immigration Law Center, a similar bill, called the DREAM Act, is expected to be introduced on the federal level that would give illegal immigrants attending college a path toward citizenship.

Ramirez, who was born in El Salvador and obtained his U.S. citizenship when he was 17, said he was fortunate that he didn't have the financial hurdles that undocumented immigrants face.

"I thank God I never had to experience anything like that. When my family came here, we were legal, as they want to say. But I know that that's not the case for a lot of people."

Capital News Service contributed to this report.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Why should this be of any surprise? Marylanders are getting exactly what they asked for. This is only the beginning.
 

Vince

......
Why doesn't the SOB just pay for their tuition and be done with it. :shrug: Bet that sooner or later they will be offering grants and scholarships just because you're an illegal alien.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

New Member
Vince said:
Why doesn't the SOB just pay for their tuition and be done with it. :shrug: Bet that sooner or later they will be offering grants and scholarships just because you're an illegal alien.
Wake up, they already do. They also offer scholarships for minorities just because they are minorities. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's easier to go to college if you're a ethnical minority than it is if you're a white person.
 

SamSpade

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Why should someone who is here illegally even manage to gain ADMISSION into a state school, much less get a privilege that citizens from 49 states are not permitted?
 

bresamil

wandering aimlessly
Illegal immigrants should get nothing.

A green carder that resides in Maryland should be able to get in state tuition.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
This raises two questions for me.

1) Qualifying for entrance into most colleges in the state of Maryland require that you have a decent GPA (FROM HIGH SCHOOL) and a threshold level on the SATs. Are these illegals able to provide both? How?

2) In order to qualify for federal student aid you have to file a FAFSA (Free Application for Free Student Aid) request. This requires that you provide valid SSN, place of residence, income information, tax information, etc... How will illegals qualify for this? Or will they just bypass all this and pay cash for their tuition?

Yeah right.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
bresamil said:
Illegal immigrants should get nothing.

A green carder that resides in Maryland should be able to get in state tuition.
I disagree. A "green carder" is not a resident of MD. They are citizens of whatever country they are from. They are not even citizens of the US, let alone residents of MD. An Ohio resident (for example) that lives in MD does not qualify for in-state tuition, why should someone from outside the country qualify?

Why are we so ready to give foreigners something that which we aren't willing to offer citizens? We have become so backwards.
 

Vince

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AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Wake up, they already do. They also offer scholarships for minorities just because they are minorities. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's easier to go to college if you're a ethnical minority than it is if you're a white person.
Have not seen a scholarship offered specifically for illegal aliens. Yeah, each and every minority gets one or two, but nothing for "illegal aliens." And yes, it upsets me greatly because my daughter couldn't get squat. Couldn't even get a grant because I make a good living. But they don't take into account that the money I make has to support a home and another child. It gets spent each and every payday.
 

vraiblonde

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PsyOps said:
2) In order to qualify for federal student aid you have to file a FAFSA (Free Application for Free Student Aid) request. This requires that you provide valid SSN, place of residence, income information, tax information, etc... How will illegals qualify for this? Or will they just bypass all this and pay cash for their tuition?
See, I don't understand this either. The only thing I can think of is that O'Malley knows damn well that no illegal grass cutter is going to be able to afford even in-state tuition, so this is just feel-good crap that will never really happen.

What he's *not* considering is that not every illegal immigrant is some Mexican laborer. The guys who flew the planes on 9-11 were in this country illegally. So now some terrorist gets into our academic system, and what do you suppose he'll do with his education?

If he's smart, he'll become a college professor so he can influence young minds and push his agenda, just like the 60's Leftists did.
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
Stuff like this really pisses me off. My grandmother, who is 95, lives in an assisted living facility. She has osteoporosis but other than that is in fairly good condition. She cannot live alone or prepare her own meals or bathe without assistance. Because she is not worse off, she cannot qualify to receive assitance from the State to help pay for her assisted living. She gets her social security benefits and Otter and I (along with my mom & dad) must make up the difference. My grandmother is guilty of following the rules, saving for her old age and outliving her savings.
 

PrchJrkr

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vraiblonde said:
...If he's smart, he'll become a college professor so he can influence young minds and push his agenda, just like the 60's Leftists did and 99% of professors today still do.

:fixed:
 

bresamil

wandering aimlessly
PsyOps said:
I disagree. A "green carder" is not a resident of MD. They are citizens of whatever country they are from. They are not even citizens of the US, let alone residents of MD. An Ohio resident (for example) that lives in MD does not qualify for in-state tuition, why should someone from outside the country qualify?

Why are we so ready to give foreigners something that which we aren't willing to offer citizens? We have become so backwards.

Well, my boss has a condo in Flordia. Although she lives here, each of her kids go to college in Florida and pay in-state tuition, because they have a residence there. I believe she bought the condo a year before her first went to college to establish "residency".

There are some sort of time rules to "residency". I figure a valid green carder that came here to work, lives here, works here, and wants to take classes here is an "in-state" resident.

Residency and citizenship are separate issues. I am a citizen of the US and a resident of Maryland.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

New Member
Vince said:
Have not seen a scholarship offered specifically for illegal aliens. Yeah, each and every minority gets one or two, but nothing for "illegal aliens." And yes, it upsets me greatly because my daughter couldn't get squat. Couldn't even get a grant because I make a good living. But they don't take into account that the money I make has to support a home and another child. It gets spent each and every payday.
I literally couldn't get a grant from one company because Waldorf isn't part of Charles County. :shrug: :burning:
 
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