The adoption process can be so heartbreaking!

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CalvertNewbie

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A guy my husband used to work with, and his wife, are completely devestated right now. They tried for years to conceive, with no luck. So they started the adoption process. The baby was born and they were ecstatic to bring "their baby" home on Friday, after months of anticipation and excitement. Yesterday, the biological mother decided she wanted the baby back. So after just a weekend of being parents, and many months of waiting for their dreams to come true, this is what they have to face.

I know there's always that chance that the "mother" will change her mind but I'm just heartbroken for them. I don't know them but when hubby told me what had happened, I just felt horrible. Hubby and I have been tossing around the idea of adoption when our little man is a bit older, I don't think I could handle this happening!
 

libertytyranny

Dream Stealer
It is a heartbreaking process..but I can tell you it does have happy endings! A good friend of my family adopted a little boy a little over a year ago after struggling for YEARS with fertility treatments and adoption. They now have a gorgous little boy who is just an awesome kid. So they shouldn't give up or feel jaded..just like birth..with adoption you get the kid you were meant to get.
 

JLS

Member
Aww, how upsetting.. I know the feeling - been trying for a few yrs to conceive w/no luck - even with medical help.. went thru the foster/adopt classes - homestudy is alot of work - time consuming.. its just heart wrenching tho to hear thru classes how you could foster to adopt a child for almost 2 yrs, and then some long lost family member whose never met the child and hasn't been a part of their life, can be given the child, the child taken out've its only home its known for 2 yrs to be given to a stranger.. thats the kinda things we found out and its terrifying to think, not just for us but that child - Good Gracious what they'd have to go thru.. I know it does work sometimes and thats a blessing tho.. but I see why people adopt out've the country now.. which is sad to say...

A guy my husband used to work with, and his wife, are completely devestated right now. They tried for years to conceive, with no luck. So they started the adoption process. The baby was born and they were ecstatic to bring "their baby" home on Friday, after months of anticipation and excitement. Yesterday, the biological mother decided she wanted the baby back. So after just a weekend of being parents, and many months of waiting for their dreams to come true, this is what they have to face.

I know there's always that chance that the "mother" will change her mind but I'm just heartbroken for them. I don't know them but when hubby told me what had happened, I just felt horrible. Hubby and I have been tossing around the idea of adoption when our little man is a bit older, I don't think I could handle this happening!
 

LadyWolf

New Member
So sorry to hear about that. It bothers me and in a lot of cases these women/girls who have these babies are not in a good position to provide for them. No job to speak of and/or husband to help provide. Typically, that is why most women give up for adoption. They can't take care of them, but then change their mind out of guilt instead of thinking what is best for the child. So much for trying to do the "right" thing. In any case, my girlfriend and husband did adopt a baby from this country and it was a newborn, so it does happen. Maybe not often, but it does.
 

n0n1m0us3

why so serious
So sorry to hear about that. It bothers me and in a lot of cases these women/girls who have these babies are not in a good position to provide for them. No job to speak of and/or husband to help provide. Typically, that is why most women give up for adoption. They can't take care of them, but then change their mind out of guilt instead of thinking what is best for the child. So much for trying to do the "right" thing. In any case, my girlfriend and husband did adopt a baby from this country and it was a newborn, so it does happen. Maybe not often, but it does.

For some people keeping their babies IS the "right" thing.
 

n0n1m0us3

why so serious
Is it if they can't take care of the child?

If they can't take care of the child then of course not. But not every person who considers adoption "can't take care of the child". And equally not every adoptive parent is fit to raise/take care of a child either.
It's sad for the adoptive parent's when the birth mother changes her mind but for the birth mother and child sometimes it is the right thing.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
This is probably the single biggest reason we went with international adoption. I hear you - we've had friends and family with similar stories.

While it has been and will continue to be hard at times, I have not ever regretted it. Our son is the greatest joy of our lives.

With luck, our second child will be with us this time next year, and our third a couple after that (two adoptions in the "queue" for us).
 

LadyWolf

New Member
If they can't take care of the child then of course not. But not every person who considers adoption "can't take care of the child". And equally not every adoptive parent is fit to raise/take care of a child either.
It's sad for the adoptive parent's when the birth mother changes her mind but for the birth mother and child sometimes it is the right thing.

Well, the rules for adopting have become more lenient over the years. I don't necessarily agree but..... there are many things I don't agree with that the system allows. I would never attempt to adopt a child knowing that I was unable to provide and take care of a child. However, not everyone is like me. There needs to be a law to protect adoptive parents from things like this happening. The emotional turmoil these people go through, I can't imagine. To be excited and preparing for months only to have someone "CHANGE THEIR MIND" at the drop of dime, is just cruel!!! Oh well, no different than being stood up at the alter I guess.
 
C

CalvertNewbie

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Aww, how upsetting.. I know the feeling - been trying for a few yrs to conceive w/no luck - even with medical help.. went thru the foster/adopt classes - homestudy is alot of work - time consuming.. its just heart wrenching tho to hear thru classes how you could foster to adopt a child for almost 2 yrs, and then some long lost family member whose never met the child and hasn't been a part of their life, can be given the child, the child taken out've its only home its known for 2 yrs to be given to a stranger.. thats the kinda things we found out and its terrifying to think, not just for us but that child - Good Gracious what they'd have to go thru.. I know it does work sometimes and thats a blessing tho.. but I see why people adopt out've the country now.. which is sad to say...

I wish you luck! I understand what you're going through. It's unfortunate that so many people who would be great parents have such difficulty conceiving yet people who are crappy "parents" have no problem popping out kid after kid.

I got pregnant as soon as we started trying a few years ago but unfortunately, I miscarried. Couldn't get pregnant again, tried for a year. Due to our ages (I was 34 at the time), we decided to chat with a fertility doctor to explore options because let's face it.....my biological clock was about done ticking! We decided to move forward with fertility treatment and got so lucky that it worked the first time. Unless you've been through it, you just can't understand how it feels to want a baby more than anything in the world yet you can't have one. No worse feeling, imo.

This is probably the single biggest reason we went with international adoption. I hear you - we've had friends and family with similar stories.

While it has been and will continue to be hard at times, I have not ever regretted it. Our son is the greatest joy of our lives.

With luck, our second child will be with us this time next year, and our third a couple after that (two adoptions in the "queue" for us).

That's great! Many congrats on your expanding family! Are you adopting newborns or kids a little older and if you don't mind my asking, what country are you adopting from? It amazes me that the adoption process takes so long! I understand that they need to carefully screen potential parents but I think of Haiti in recent months as an example. With all those kids orphaned, you'd think they'd be shipping them out to any country willing to pay. Yet the adoption process is as gruelling as ever, even as the makeshift orphanges overflow. Doesn't make sense to me.

Well, the rules for adopting have become more lenient over the years. I don't necessarily agree but..... there are many things I don't agree with that the system allows. I would never attempt to adopt a child knowing that I was unable to provide and take care of a child. However, not everyone is like me. There needs to be a law to protect adoptive parents from things like this happening. The emotional turmoil these people go through, I can't imagine. To be excited and preparing for months only to have someone "CHANGE THEIR MIND" at the drop of dime, is just cruel!!! Oh well, no different than being stood up at the alter I guess.

Yes, there should be a law to protect adoptive parents. It should be that once you sign away your rights, that's it. No changing your mind. This girl had 9 months to change her mind. I completely understand that once you hold your baby in your arms, your life changes forever (if you have a heart). I can't imagine giving a baby up for adoption. But I have all the respect in the world for a biological mother who makes that tough decision to give her baby up for a better life.

I don't know the specifics of this case but in many cases, the adoptive parents pay all the medical bills, sometimes living expenses for the biological mother while she's pregnant and tons of fees to agencies, etc. In a case like that, do they just lose all that money in addition to losing their dream of being parents?
 

JLS

Member
I've tried the medical route and so far nothings worked.. next thing would be an IVF and we've taken a break to give my body a break from all the hormones and pills and shots and everything else, its rough.. and your right - it drives me insane thinking so many women can't get pregnant and put themselves and their spouses and family through all this stuff with the hormones and no luck, just to hear of a woman giving birth and leaving them in a dumpster or complaining about their kid did this and that - when I'd love to say - do u know what my kid did or said last night?!?! Some women CAN'T hear that and would give anything to hear it.. and then you get all the ones who sneeze and get pregnant and hear all about this being their 4th child.. or Lord forbid - you get to a crowd of pregnant women and hear about - well with this pregnancy I have this but I didn't have this with the last pregnancy - when an infertile womans standing there ready to explode because she can't get pregnant after 5 years of trying.. and would give her limbs just to have 1 chance of giving birth to a healthy child.. UGH.. I'm in my late 30's now with no luck.. and I'm surrounded by pregnant women in my family.. not that I'm not happy for them - I really truly am.. its just hard and I don't think they even once think about it - not that they should I guess..

I wish you luck! I understand what you're going through. It's unfortunate that so many people who would be great parents have such difficulty conceiving yet people who are crappy "parents" have no problem popping out kid after kid.

I got pregnant as soon as we started trying a few years ago but unfortunately, I miscarried. Couldn't get pregnant again, tried for a year. Due to our ages (I was 34 at the time), we decided to chat with a fertility doctor to explore options because let's face it.....my biological clock was about done ticking! We decided to move forward with fertility treatment and got so lucky that it worked the first time. Unless you've been through it, you just can't understand how it feels to want a baby more than anything in the world yet you can't have one. No worse feeling, imo.
 

SoccerMom2

New Member
If you become a foster parent you can adopt children in the system and the state pays for it. There is no " i changed my mind i want my baby back". At least thats how Va works. My lilttle brother and sister are adopted. Had them from 6 weeks and 4 months. Just wanted to throw that idea out there. Best wishes to everyone who is trying to have a baby!
 

JLS

Member
You can foster a child and after I believe 18 months - if they haven't found any local family who would take the child in - then they will start the courts to TPR.. but if they find some long lost cuz'n in Nebraska whose never met the child, despite u having custody of them for those 18 months and never spoken to those children - but they wanna take them in and keep them - they will give them to the family member first. If it does happen that u have them (foster) for 18 months and there is no family members who will take them in and the TPR goes thru, u can - if u choose - to adopt those children then and u will get a stipend - a small stipend that does not pay for everything needed on a monthly basis for a child. But until those TPR's go thru - they can be moved out and some will not be adopted. I'm glad thing went well for your brother and sister - but theres a 50/50 chance it doesn't always work as smoothly...

If you become a foster parent you can adopt children in the system and the state pays for it. There is no " i changed my mind i want my baby back". At least thats how Va works. My lilttle brother and sister are adopted. Had them from 6 weeks and 4 months. Just wanted to throw that idea out there. Best wishes to everyone who is trying to have a baby!
 

SoccerMom2

New Member
You can foster a child and after I believe 18 months - if they haven't found any local family who would take the child in - then they will start the courts to TPR.. but if they find some long lost cuz'n in Nebraska whose never met the child, despite u having custody of them for those 18 months and never spoken to those children - but they wanna take them in and keep them - they will give them to the family member first. If it does happen that u have them (foster) for 18 months and there is no family members who will take them in and the TPR goes thru, u can - if u choose - to adopt those children then and u will get a stipend - a small stipend that does not pay for everything needed on a monthly basis for a child. But until those TPR's go thru - they can be moved out and some will not be adopted. I'm glad thing went well for your brother and sister - but theres a 50/50 chance it doesn't always work as smoothly...

It was a long battle because the birth mother still had supervised visitation for almost 1.5 years with each child. Long story short she gave up one child and lost the other.
 

SamSpade

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PREMO Member
That's great! Many congrats on your expanding family! Are you adopting newborns or kids a little older and if you don't mind my asking, what country are you adopting from? It amazes me that the adoption process takes so long! I understand that they need to carefully screen potential parents but I think of Haiti in recent months as an example. With all those kids orphaned, you'd think they'd be shipping them out to any country willing to pay. Yet the adoption process is as gruelling as ever, even as the makeshift orphanges overflow. Doesn't make sense to me.

Both will be toddlers. We are both a little older and we're simply not able to care for an infant. We will be going to Ethiopia first and then to China.

International adoption is hard to describe, and I suspect most people think it's pretty much a matter of putting up the bucks and the host nation motivated by dollars and need. It's not. Even nations with situations as dire as Ethiopia or Haiti are not motivated by an urgent wish to unload their children.

Try to understand it by flipping the situation around - how would you feel if thousands of children from the U.S. were being adopted by, say, Arab nations? Or by China?

A lot of factors come into play. In a lot of nations, there's a strong undercurrent of resistance to international adoption even if it means a poor future for the children involved. For example, a substantial portion of the Russian population objects to their children adopted abroad, but at the same time, they won't adopt them, themselves. Culturally, it's still considered strange to adopt "someone else's child" (the first question we were asked in court - why do you want to raise someone else's child?). Same goes for Ethiopia, and there's a lot of misinformation, as well. (One book we read, many people thought their children would be raised to be household servants or maids). Some of it is national pride - why should our children be raised by foreigners? Thus, in some nations, the rules heavily favor adoption by persons whose ancestry traces to the host nation, and sometimes rules are established to encourage this (e.g. some nations require several months of in-country stay, which is more likely if the adoptive parents have relatives in country).

A few nations, their referrals are almost entirely children with serious birth defects. Others, their government is not a Hague treaty member and they are trying to crack down on what amounts to baby-selling by unscrupulous lawyers.

Some have extremely stringent requirements, which played a part in our selection - for example, some nations will not allow adoptive parents who are above a certain age. China presents an enigma - they are mostly the most efficient program, their people are highly supportive of adoption by foreigners, they are reasonably inexpensive and are the largest program - but as the years roll on, they have added more and more stringent requirements - regarding divorce, number of children in family, amount of total assets, length of time married, length of time youngest sibling in family, medical history, *weight* (BMI), age, ANY history of cancer, ANY history of mental illness - it's long. But once the conditions are met, they probably have the easiest dossier to assemble.

I know people like to think - oh they have so many children without homes, they must be very willing to "unload" them. Almost no nation for whose program we've seen takes such a cavalier attitude about children. They all want their children to have very good homes.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
If you become a foster parent you can adopt children in the system and the state pays for it. There is no " i changed my mind i want my baby back". At least thats how Va works. My lilttle brother and sister are adopted. Had them from 6 weeks and 4 months. Just wanted to throw that idea out there. Best wishes to everyone who is trying to have a baby!

We looked into fostering as an option. What we were continually told was that fostering was not intended as a route to adoption, even if it sometimes goes that route. What we were told was that the intent of fostering was to take care of a child as though they were our own, but to be cognizant of the reality that the state's primary focus is to reconcile the family if possible.

Furthermore, we knew we couldn't foster babies, nor were we equipped to foster older school aged children. So it became a less viable option for us.

I can absolutely say that the fear of having a child taken from you once an adoption is completed DID play a strong part in our adoption process. Despite assurances, we personally KNOW people for whom this happened, and in a couple cases, MANY YEARS after they had been placed. Children were taken from the only parents they knew because after five years birthmom had a change of heart. We knew we could never handle that.

We left our son's records open in his country of origin. If he ever wants to go look for them, we think he should be able to do that.
 
C

CalvertNewbie

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I've tried the medical route and so far nothings worked.. next thing would be an IVF and we've taken a break to give my body a break from all the hormones and pills and shots and everything else, its rough.. and your right - it drives me insane thinking so many women can't get pregnant and put themselves and their spouses and family through all this stuff with the hormones and no luck, just to hear of a woman giving birth and leaving them in a dumpster or complaining about their kid did this and that - when I'd love to say - do u know what my kid did or said last night?!?! Some women CAN'T hear that and would give anything to hear it.. and then you get all the ones who sneeze and get pregnant and hear all about this being their 4th child.. or Lord forbid - you get to a crowd of pregnant women and hear about - well with this pregnancy I have this but I didn't have this with the last pregnancy - when an infertile womans standing there ready to explode because she can't get pregnant after 5 years of trying.. and would give her limbs just to have 1 chance of giving birth to a healthy child.. UGH.. I'm in my late 30's now with no luck.. and I'm surrounded by pregnant women in my family.. not that I'm not happy for them - I really truly am.. its just hard and I don't think they even once think about it - not that they should I guess..

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I met a great friend through these forums because we were going through IVF at the same time. She helped me tremendously because she had been through it before when she had her daughter. Then she had twin boys a few months before my son was born. Now the kiddos play together. Shady Grove helped hubby and I have our little boy and I'm so thankful to them. I dealt with Dr. Mottla in the Annapolis office but I'm sure they're all great. My friend went to the DC office. Hang in there!
 
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