The Biography of a Bad Statistic

[dems4me]

Sons, too. My baby-daddy (and I use that term to connote his ghetto-ness, not mine ) is the son of a preacher man, and is akin to the scum of the earth. His older brother, while being a great guy on the outside, died of a drug overdose last Christmas. His little sister just got married last weekend, three months pregnant. The only normal one is the older sister, a friend of mine, and she's still not "conservative". Shoot, preacher's kids are the worst kids of all.

There you are!!! I've been waiting for you!!!! I'm leaving for the day and going home!!! Have a good evening :cheesysmilie4Nickle:


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[vraiblonde]

Hey, I don't tell them to get abortions - they do that of their own free will. :shrug:

 

[dems4me]

Hey, I don't tell them to get abortions - they do that of their own free will. :shrug:

remind me never to broach this subject with you... :

J//k

 

[vraiblonde]

I was having a conversation with a friend awhile back, who had had an abortion when she was a teenager, and I broached my theory about how women who would have their babies chopped up and thrown in the trash probably shouldn't be raising children. She got REALLY defensive and sputtered a bit. Then I said, "Okay, but would you agree that you were not in a position to care for a child and would have probably been a terrible mother??" "Yes," she replied, "But that's not now." And I was like, "Okay, but you're not having abortions now, are you?"


So she calmed down after I explained my position in more depth, but I think it's interesting that women would have abortions because they don't want children, then get offended when someone suggests that they wouldn't make a very good parent anyway.

 

[dems4me]

I was having a conversation with a friend awhile back, who had had an abortion when she was a teenager, and I broached my theory about how women who would have their babies chopped up and thrown in the trash probably shouldn't be raising children. She got REALLY defensive and sputtered a bit. Then I said, "Okay, but would you agree that you were not in a position to care for a child and would have probably been a terrible mother??" "Yes," she replied, "But that's not now." And I was like, "Okay, but you're not having abortions now, are you?"


So she calmed down after I explained my position in more depth, but I think it's interesting that women would have abortions because they don't want children, then get offended when someone suggests that they wouldn't make a very good parent anyway.

that's just weird.

 

[Nickel]

So she calmed down after I explained my position in more depth, but I think it's interesting that women would have abortions because they don't want children, then get offended when someone suggests that they wouldn't make a very good parent anyway.

Here's the flip side: I know someone who's mother forced her to have an abortion. While she didn't strap her to the table, she told her that if she were to continue to carry that child, she could not live in her home, and if she raised the child, it would not be in her home. Her mom paid for the abortion, and that was that. The girl has never gotten over it, and recently had a tubular pregnancy, was rushed to the emergency room and had to have one of her fallopion tubes removed. This poor woman is convinced that God has cursed her for what she did, and she'll never be able to have children. It's a shame too, she'd make a great mom.

 

[vraiblonde]

It's a shame too, she'd make a great mom.

But she probably wouldn't have at that time or else she wouldn't have had to worry about her Mom kicking her out. Right?

 

[Bruzilla]

You see, Bru, you kinda make my point.

No... I think that you're missing mine. You're basing your opinion on the BS polls that both sides use to justify their claims, and you shouldn't. As I said before, I think that the vast majority of Americans do not see a gray area IRT abortion. They are for limited abortions for specific reasons. They do not support abortion on demand, partial-birth, etc., but they do think it should be done in cases of rape, incest, mother's health, etc.

If you want to clear up your gray area, pose this question in a poll: Do you believe that abortion should be available to abort fetuses resulting from rape or incest, or to protect a mother from serious medical consequences (note I'm not using mother's health as that's been so misused it isn't funny)? I think about 90% of Americans would say "yes." You see, there is broad concensus on this subject. Unfortunately, the pro-choice movement doesn't want to have any restrictions on abortions, which is not what most Americans support. The pro-choice people can't ask a poll question like "Do you feel that there should be no limits on abortion?" because they know that's a loser for them. So they have to muddy the waters enough with fear mongering of big-brother government denying women's rights to make their case.

 

[rraley]

First of all, Bru your opinion on abortion is very gray. Limited abortion rights...no Planned Parenthood no restriction bs nor read the Bible and every situation is immoral. The reason that many Americans' opinions on abortion rights is gray because of the conflicting pressure between religious/moral positioning and the role of government in establishing religious/moral guidelines. This is a difficult issue where both sides have significant, defensible positions.

To Larry...first of all, thanks again for the "crap, crap, crap" comment...perciate it!! Nevertheless, I agree with your assertion that liberals and the pro choice movement have failed to successfully engage on these matters.

 

[paxetonic]

Stirring the pot...

"The reason that many Americans' opinions on abortion rights is gray because of the conflicting pressure between religious/moral positioning and the role of government in establishing religious/moral guidelines. This is a difficult issue where both sides have significant, defensible positions."

Though I will not disagree that the general population's opinion on abortion is "gray", I do disagree that it is solely based on religious/moral positioning and the government's role therein. Here's why: How many people do you know (or have you, yourself) ever dealt firsthand in making the decision to abort a pregnancy? Myself, I know only 2 or 3 people who've actually went through the situation, either firsthand or in close observation. There are a multitude of reasons why a woman will choose to abort. Some are principally/morally grounded others are not. I can tell you from experience that no matter the outcome (to abort or not abort), the decision making process is extremely traumatic. It would be interesting to take survey on the matter from the point of view of women who actually had an abortion. It'd be interesting to see if, in hindsight, they would have repeated their action.

In the end, you have two problems in making a determination on the government's role in abortion. The first: Knowledge comes from experience, and unless we get a "lessons-learned" from the women who went through the procedure, we will not have enough knowledge on the subject. The second: Each abortion is as unique as the potential life of the baby being aborted. Every abortion decision is driven to subjectivity based on the circumstances and the decision makers.

 

[czygvtwkr]

I always found it funny how abortion rights stirs such defense. Those that support a womans right to choose it as a birth control method put up no fight over the Today Sponge not being sold in the US any more.....why is that? It is also a method of birth control that is alot cheaper, less taxing on the human body, and less likely to harm the user than an abortion. Doesn't a woman have the right to choose to use a sponge?

 

[paxetonic]

Haha! You bring up a good point. The first step in solving a problem is minimizing the chance of it happening again. Cause-and-effect; what a brilliant concept! Duh!

Perhaps "mandatory contraception" could be an issue to be raised. No doubt that it would cause as much a stir as the abortion issue. Politics: Don't you love 'em? Oh well!

 

[Nickel]

I always found it funny how abortion rights stirs such defense. Those that support a womans right to choose it as a birth control method put up no fight over the Today Sponge not being sold in the US any more.....why is that? It is also a method of birth control that is alot cheaper, less taxing on the human body, and less likely to harm the user than an abortion. Doesn't a woman have the right to choose to use a sponge?

Maybe the FDA doesn't want to back contraceptive that's inefficient? :shrug: