The Dark History Of Green Food On St. Patrick's Day

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" Green food may mean party time in America, where St. Patrick's Day has long been an excuse to break out the food dye. But in Ireland, where the Irish celebrate their patron saint on March 17, green food has bitter connotations that recall the nation's darkest chapter, says historian Christine Kinealy.

The reason, Kinealy explains, is the Irish potato famine of the 1840s, which forced so many Irish to flee mass starvation in their homeland in search of better times in America and elsewhere. Those who stayed behind turned to desperate measures.

"People were so deprived of food that they resorted to eating grass," Kinealy tells The Salt. "In Irish folk memory, they talk about people's mouths being green as they died."

At least 1 million Irish died in the span of six years, says Kinealy, the founding director of Ireland's Great Hunger Institute at Quinnipiac University in Connecticut. Which is why, for an Irishwoman like Kinealy, who hails from Dublin and County Mayo, the sight of green-tinged edibles intended as a joyous nod to Irish history can be jolting, she says.

"Before I came to America, I'd never seen a green bagel," she says. "For Irish-Americans, they think of dyeing food green, they think everything is happy. But really, in terms of the famine, this is very sad imagery."

Of course, Americans have long embraced St. Patrick's Day traditions that might bemuse the folks back in Ireland, where festivities are a lot more subdued, Kinealy notes.
For instance, St. Paddy's Day Parades? Those originated here in the late 1700s. (George Washington was known to give his Irish soldiers the day off so they could join the celebrations, she says.)

And that quintessential dish of the holiday, corned beef — it may be delicious, but it's most definitely not Irish.

As Smithsonian.com noted last year, in Gaelic Ireland, cows were a symbol of wealth and a sacred animal, kept more for their milk than their meat — which was only consumed once an animal's milking days were over. In the Irish diet, meat meant pork. It wasn't until Britain conquered most of Ireland that Irish "corned beef" came into existence — to satisfy the beef-loving English. "

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Hijinx

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" Green food may mean party time in America, where St. Patrick's Day has long been an excuse to break out the food dye. But in Ireland, where the Irish celebrate their patron saint on March 17, green food has bitter connotations that recall the nation's darkest chapter, says historian Christine Kinealy.

The reason, Kinealy explains, is the Irish potato famine of the 1840s, which forced so many Irish to flee mass starvation in their homeland in search of better times in America and elsewhere. Those who stayed behind turned to desperate measures.

"People were so deprived of food that they resorted to eating grass," Kinealy tells The Salt. "In Irish folk memory, they talk about people's mouths being green as they died."

At least 1 million Irish died in the span of six years, says Kinealy, the founding director of Ireland's Great Hunger Institute at Quinnipiac University in Connecticut. Which is why, for an Irishwoman like Kinealy, who hails from Dublin and County Mayo, the sight of green-tinged edibles intended as a joyous nod to Irish history can be jolting, she says.

"Before I came to America, I'd never seen a green bagel," she says. "For Irish-Americans, they think of dyeing food green, they think everything is happy. But really, in terms of the famine, this is very sad imagery."

Of course, Americans have long embraced St. Patrick's Day traditions that might bemuse the folks back in Ireland, where festivities are a lot more subdued, Kinealy notes.
For instance, St. Paddy's Day Parades? Those originated here in the late 1700s. (George Washington was known to give his Irish soldiers the day off so they could join the celebrations, she says.)

And that quintessential dish of the holiday, corned beef — it may be delicious, but it's most definitely not Irish.

As Smithsonian.com noted last year, in Gaelic Ireland, cows were a symbol of wealth and a sacred animal, kept more for their milk than their meat — which was only consumed once an animal's milking days were over. In the Irish diet, meat meant pork. It wasn't until Britain conquered most of Ireland that Irish "corned beef" came into existence — to satisfy the beef-loving English. "

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Very interesting. Good Post for a change.
I don't want green food and I don't want green beer, I will take my food without green dye. I do love my corned beef though if it is cooked right, and I know how to cook it right.
 

SamSpade

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PREMO Member
Very interesting. Good Post for a change.
I don't want green food and I don't want green beer, I will take my food without green dye. I do love my corned beef though if it is cooked right, and I know how to cook it right.

I have to say, my acquaintances from Ireland are typically horrified at how St. Patrick's Day is celebrated here.
There, it's a religious holiday, like Easter or Ash Wednesday, attended by parades and children marching in church clothes.
Here, it's an excuse for drinking and pretend Irish heritage.
And the green beer and dying the river green is considered vulgar.
 

vraiblonde

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Patron
Very interesting.

I thought things got the green dye on SPD because green is the color associated with Ireland. Irish flag, leprechaun suits, rolling countryside, shamrocks, Emerald Isle, etc.
 
Very interesting.

I thought things got the green dye on SPD because green is the color associated with Ireland. Irish flag, leprechaun suits, rolling countryside, shamrocks, Emerald Isle, etc.
And I think you are correct in your thinking... there is no way I am convinced that we dye things green because some ate grass in the 1800s. I do not believe the history of the famine has anything at all with the American celebration of St. Patrick's Day and has everything to do with heritage pride.

I base this on the decades worth of Celtic and Irish Festivals I attend regularly and I will tell you straight up that many true Irish descendants embrace the stereo types associated with being Irish and will gladly tell you they are based on truisms.

I love how we are now being told we need to be outraged and offended for them.

Grow up, people.
 

SamSpade

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PREMO Member
Very interesting.

I thought things got the green dye on SPD because green is the color associated with Ireland. Irish flag, leprechaun suits, rolling countryside, shamrocks, Emerald Isle, etc.

"They're hangin' men and women for the wearin' of the green.."
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
I have to say, my acquaintances from Ireland are typically horrified at how St. Patrick's Day is celebrated here.
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Good time to recall the genocide conducted by the British gummint against the Irish, killing a million in a few years, crippling untold millions more and displacing yet another million.
 

Christy

b*tch rocket
And I think you are correct in your thinking... there is no way I am convinced that we dye things green because some ate grass in the 1800s. I do not believe the history of the famine has anything at all with the American celebration of St. Patrick's Day and has everything to do with heritage pride.


I love how we are now being told we need to be outraged and offended for them.

Grow up, people.

Amen Sister! :high5:

Why can't people just enjoy a holiday without having to tie it to something negative. Can't have Thanksgiving without being told how terrible we were to the Indians. Can't have Columbus Day because he's some horrible man and really wasn't the first to discover America. Everybody has to be a Debbie Downer and constantly searching for something to be sad, ashamed, shocked, or appalled about.

P.S. I really don't care if the Irish natives don't like how we celebrate St. Patrick's Day. They need to lighten up and have a green beer for crap sake. It's all in good fun. :cheers:
 

libertytyranny

Dream Stealer
And I think you are correct in your thinking... there is no way I am convinced that we dye things green because some ate grass in the 1800s. I do not believe the history of the famine has anything at all with the American celebration of St. Patrick's Day and has everything to do with heritage pride.

I base this on the decades worth of Celtic and Irish Festivals I attend regularly and I will tell you straight up that many true Irish descendants embrace the stereo types associated with being Irish and will gladly tell you they are based on truisms.

I love how we are now being told we need to be outraged and offended for them.

Grow up, people.

True story.

:patriot:
 
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