The Funny Thing about Jesus

[foodcritic]

I guess that saying is okay for some people, but it seems to imply that people need not even try to do right and just accept being a sinner.

You might or might not mean it in that way, but it comes across that way in my perspective.

I have heard many Christians brag about being sinners and of falling short as I do believe that is the point of the original posting here - to hang more of our sins on Jesus as He can carry more, and that is not the point nor the message of the sacrifice of Christ.

To follow Christ as in be-a-Christian means to stop sinning and to stop needing forgiveness and to stop falling short.

In your opinion it's fables and fiction and allegory......

 

[foodcritic]

OR you could just be a good person, and not be good for fear of retribution in the after life..

But not to worry.. the way you treated your family.. if there is a hell, that shall be where you spend eternity so it doesn't really matter how good or not you are..

Who are you to decide what is good? Maybe JPC version of good IS good.

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

In your opinion it's fables and fiction and allegory......

I do not say that about the entire Bible as the Bible is not an all-or-nothing equation.

Many parts of the Bible are fables as like said in Titus 1:14, and fiction as like Jonah living in a fish for three days, and other parts are confusing or misleading, and where the future mother-in-law describes her ideal of a virtuous woman and may God pity the poor unlucky daughter-in-law under that diatribe of Proverbs 31.

Parts of the Bible is very informative while other parts are not.

To seek the truth means one must actually look for it and dig it out.

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

<DIR>1Jn 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
</DIR>

I really do agree with that text above, but we do need to interpret the word "sin" in order to understand that message correctly.

Using a law that some one lies or steals or adultery or any legal law as the definition of "sin" is just not quite true.

The word "sin" means to "fall-short" and to "miss the mark" as in like a bow-and-arrow where a person shoots the arrow and it falls short of the target, or the arrow misses the mark as in misses the bullseye.

So a person can only "sin" if in fact they are shooting at the target in the first place.

It is easy to say everyone sins as everyone misses the target when the vast majority are not even in the game.

Most people do not know right from wrong, as in most do not understand the Bible or the principles there-in, and it is not really a sin when one does not even know what is the goal and does not know what is a sin.

If we use the bow-and-arrow analogy then most people shoot in the opposite direction from the target, many shoot other people and most do not even know how to operate the bow let alone which direction to aim it.

Ignorance is a real excuse with God, because those that know better are expected to do better, while those that are lost and confused are not expected to hit the target.

As in: Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.

That is why the saying that we all sin means little since the bigger issue is as to find out whom of us knows the right way?

Mark 4:25
For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath. KJV.

 

[Zguy28]

I guess that saying is okay for some people, but it seems to imply that people need not even try to do right and just accept being a sinner.

You might or might not mean it in that way, but it comes across that way in my perspective.

That is NOT what I meant.

I have heard many Christians brag about being sinners and of falling short as I do believe that is the point of the original posting here - to hang more of our sins on Jesus as He can carry more, and that is not the point nor the message of the sacrifice of Christ.

To follow Christ as in be-a-Christian means to stop sinning and to stop needing forgiveness and to stop falling short.

One should never brag about being a sinner. But boasting in the power of Jesus's work on the cross could be twisted to be portrayed that way I guess. Eye of the beholder.

Romans 6ff
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.

12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

 

[Zguy28]

I do not say that about the entire Bible as the Bible is not an all-or-nothing equation.

You mean the parts that you agree with are ok but not the parts you don't agree with.

 

[Marie]

To address your post above, James there is a word for people like you, its called a constructionist enough said! You have been digging so much trying to unearth what isn't there, that you have dirt in your eyes and your blinded and cant see a thing!

I really do agree with that text above, but we do need to interpret the word "sin" in order to understand that message correctly.

Using a law that some one lies or steals or adultery or any legal law as the definition of "sin" is just not quite true.

Your wrong scripture clearly says
Rom 7:7 What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”
Or
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

The word "sin" means to "fall-short" and to "miss the mark" as in like a bow-and-arrow where a person shoots the arrow and it falls short of the target, or the arrow misses the mark as in misses the bullseye.

So a person can only "sin" if in fact they are shooting at the target in the first place.

Wrong again you don't set the rules God does, it doesn't matter if you intend to or not! God has a standard of moral perfection whether you intend to meet it or not you cant. Your weighed in the balance and found wanting.
Consider
Romans 1:20 - For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

It is easy to say everyone sins as everyone misses the target when the vast majority are not even in the game.

Its anything put a game my friend, these forums may be a game or a plea for attention, but were talking about your eternal destiny! Granted there are huge stakes here but its not a game!

Most people do not know right from wrong, as in most do not understand the Bible or the principles there-in, and it is not really a sin when one does not even know what is the goal and does not know what is a sin.

Thats incorrect as well everyone has a conscious which is one of the many ways we know god exist. Scripture says you are without excuse! Even the native that sins against his conscious and denies God of Lord ship of his life is guilty when living for self. You may be a master at suppressing it which in time can cause you to become less sensitive to it but even that is a sign of the hardening of the heart.
So like usual, in your Pride and your stubbornness and hardness of heart, you shake your fist at God telling him his way is not good enough and that you will never submit to him or his plan of salvation.
That you prefer to serve your father the devil, but don't even do that well meanwhile, for all your heresy and nonsense you serve Gods higher purpose and bring honor and glory to him, by all the response to your foolishness that correct you and proclaim the truth of Gods word.

Whoda thunk it God still wins even by your rebellion!

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

To address your post above, James there is a word for people like you, its called a constructionist enough said!

Thats incorrect as well everyone has a conscious which is one of the many ways we know god exist. Scripture says you are without excuse! Even the native that sins against his conscious and denies God of Lord ship of his life is guilty when living for self. You may be a master at suppressing it which in time can cause you to become less sensitive to it but even that is a sign of the hardening of the heart.

My impression is that you view your self (and your kind) as being better than others, as though you are the better sinner and others are the worse sinners, and yet Jesus paid the price of sin which makes us all as equal and everyone gets saved.

It is unconditional love (agape'), link, and yet you and many Christians try to put conditions on the salvation that allows people to be burned in your mythical "hell" and it is not true.

 

[Marie]

My impression is that you view your self (and your kind) as being better than others, as though you are the better sinner and others are the worse sinners, and yet Jesus paid the price of sin which makes us all as equal and everyone gets saved.

It is unconditional love (agape'), link, and yet you and many Christians try to put conditions on the salvation that allows people to be burned in your mythical "hell" and it is not true.

No my friend not better at all, just better off. I can honestly say I ve never met anyone as wicked and wretched as myself!

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

No my friend not better at all, just better off. I can honestly say I ve never met anyone as wicked and wretched as myself!

You might be "better-off" in a lot of ways and thank God for that.

But God loves the sinners and He loves the worst of sinners and no one is going to be hurt or tortured after death in the next life.

Unconditional love means that there are no conditions.

No one has to believe, and no one has to be right or even to do right, because God loves His enemies, link Matthew 5:43-48.

The concept of a "Hell" is from the Greek word of "Hades" and it is not a real place.

People are just afraid of dying so they just imagine horrible things.

 

[Geruch]

My impression is that you view your self (and your kind) as being better than others, as though you are the better sinner and others are the worse sinners, and yet Jesus paid the price of sin which makes us all as equal and everyone gets saved.

You wrote to Marie but I'm going put my 2 cents in it.

James P. Cusick, My impression about YOU, Is that you think your above all others.
You think that everything you say is 100% true, Which it's not always true, accurate or correct.

You come across as some kind of know it all.
You try very hard to make other people's belief's wrong.
Every chance you get you put people down, as if what they say don't matter.

Anytime someone has a different opinon. You always say,
" You and Your kind. " < What the H*LL is that's suppose to mean?

If anyone thinks their better then others, That would be YOU !
Your a self-center B*****D, ohhhhh never mind. Your not worth it.

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

James P. Cusick, My impression about YOU, Is that you think your above all others.

You come across as some kind of know it all.

If anyone thinks their better then others, That would be YOU !

I do not see myself as "better" but I do see that my correct information is surely far better than the wrong info of others.

We need to separate the message from the messengers.

Just because others are wrong does not make them as inferior, and just because I am right does not make me as righteous.

Anytime someone has a different opinon. You always say,
" You and Your kind. " < What the H*LL is that's suppose to mean?

That seems self explanatory to me, but it only means persons of a like-kind, as in persons having the orthodox beliefs of mainstream Christianity are the orthodox kind, and I am of the un-orthodox kind.

The Republican Party has their kind of politics, while the Democratic Party is my kind of politics.

And your kind of persons are brutes and accusers, while my kind are loving and considerate persons.

 

[hvp05]

You think that everything you say is 100% true

I do not see myself as "better" but I do see that my correct information is surely far better than the wrong info of others. Just because others are wrong does not make them as inferior, and just because I am right does not make me as righteous.

Considering how frequently you do it, you must really enjoy proving your opponents right, Jimmy.

 

[Geruch]

James P. Cusick, My impression about YOU, Is that you think your above all others.
You think that everything you say is 100% true. Which it's not always true, accurate or correct.

You come across as some kind of know it all.
You try very hard to make other people's belief's wrong.
Every chance you get you put people down, as if what they say don't matter.

I do not see myself as "better" but
I do see that my correct information is surely far better than the wrong info of others.

We need to separate the message from the messengers.

Just because others are wrong does not make them as inferior,
and just because I am right does not make me as righteous.

The message isn't any good. Neither is the person giving the message.
No way to separate, one is bad as the other. You aren't a trust worthy person.
You just proved my point, You old fool. What I said was true, accurate and correct.

That seems self explanatory to me, but it only means persons of a like-kind, as in persons having the orthodox beliefs of mainstream Christianity are the orthodox kind, and I am of the un-orthodox kind.

The Republican Party has their kind of politics, while the Democratic Party is my kind of politics.
And your kind of persons are brutes and accusers, while my kind are loving and considerate persons.

You sure in H*ll aren't loving or considerate. If you were, you wouldn't of ran away like a little girl that just seen a spider. You would have stayed and did the best you could for your son. Your son should of came first. Doing something would have been better then doing nothing at all. But no, You thought of yourself first.
To this day, It's still all about YOU, YOU, YOU.

You need a lesson from Bill Cosby about what it means to be a parent.
Now he a real man that knows what it means to be a real father.
He would chew you up and spit you out. Then squash you like a bug.

You have little to no experience in being a real father. When you left your own son was only approx. 4 years old.
So how could you even being to understand what other parents and children go through. You can't.

As far as I'm concern, You have no business speaking for parents. You just don't have a clue.
You might not think your a deadbeat, but you sure are a person that didn't give a damn about your own son.

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

You just proved my point, You old fool. What I said was true, accurate and correct.

I say if you and I had a few bottles of champaign then we could discuss this more thoroughly and with better results.

As far as I'm concern, You have no business speaking for parents. You just don't have a clue.

I do not want to speak for parents, and I do not want the State laws to speak for the parents either as they do now.

"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."

What I am saying is for me to speak for the State (Caesar) and let the parents take care of their own business and of their own children.

 

[Geruch]

I say if you and I had a few bottles of champaign then we could discuss this more thoroughly and with better results.

Now your going over board. It needs to stop as this is a Religion thread.
This isn't a dating site where you can prey on women. So take it else where.

I do not want to speak for parents, and I do not want the State laws to speak for the parents either as they do now.

"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."

What I am saying is for me to speak for the State (Caesar) and let the parents take care of their own business and of their own children.

hyp05 made some very good points here. So take you discussion there.

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

Now your going over board. It needs to stop as this is a Religion thread.
This isn't a dating site where you can prey on women. So take it else where.

Yes, I will stop it, and I am sorry if I offended you.

hyp05 made some very good points here. So take you discussion there.

I am going there as soon as I can get there as I am not very fast at posting, and I really do not stay on my computer as much as it might appear.

And, this thread is titled as "Funny" so a little fun on here is not totally out of line.

 

[Geruch]

And, this thread is titled as "Funny" so a little fun on here is not totally out of line.

The thread title is, " The Funny Thing about Jesus."
It's about " Jesus" enough said. Amen

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

The thread title is, " The Funny Thing about Jesus."
It's about " Jesus" enough said. Amen

Okay, I agree, and lets get back to Jesus, and even back to the funny things about Jesus.

The fact is that Jesus and God do love all of humanity unconditionally and every body does get saved in the end, and it is a completely perfect deal so that not even one sinner gets lost or left out. Even the Devil and the demons will enter the Kingdom of God.

Matthew 5:43-48

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

And there are many other text that show how every person shall confess ... and every knee shall bow ... and everyone gets forgiven ... and on and on it goes.

The message of Christ is very peculiar indeed, that He Jesus took on everything and thereby all of humanity gets an unconditional salvation.