The Illusion of Choice: Romney vs Obama

FoundingFather

New Member
Dear voters,

Don't be fooled again this election season. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama and vice versa. Today's Republicans and Democrats are nothing more than an illusion of choice intended to divide and conquer American citizens while distracting them from unspoken issues that strip their freedoms and trample the Constitution. Both Republicans and Democrats share the same fundamental ideology. That ideology is BIG government with centralized power and little-to-no individual freedom for the people. They just like to argue over which party has the power. Since World War I, we have bounced back and forth between Republican and Democrat and the government continues to grow more and more powerful.

The truth is Republicans and Democrats agree on more than they disagree, but the agreements are never discussed. Here are just a few examples: Both parties are subordinate to the Federal Reserve banking cartel. Private banks are allowed by these parties to force you to use their worthless paper "money" (Federal Reserve Notes) and allowed to control the value of it. In return, both parties have their campaigns fully financed by the banks. Both parties talk about ending involvement in the Middle East, but those wars never end, and the American Empire continues to grow regardless of which party is in control. The differences between Republicans and Democrats are only in rhetoric or in relatively minor issues. Do not listen to what these parties say, look at their past actions, and you will see that this is true.

"The lesser of two evils" is a poor voting principle: with either Romney or Obama in office, your freedom is headed in the same direction and that is rapidly approaching zero. You need to see outside of this false left-right, liberal-conservative, paradigm and realize that it is a trap. It shouldn't be left vs right, it should be up vs down, where up is when people have all the power and down is when the government has all the power.

Vote for those who believe in restoring America to its roots and that is limited constitutional government. There is a 3rd choice in the presidential race who subscribes to this concept and that is GARY JOHNSON from the Libertarian party. He will be on the ballot in all 50 states. You may not have heard of him because he's not a hand-picked candidate by the special interests and therefore ignored by the mass media. I encourage you to look at other third party candidates as well. For future generations, we must resist now.

Thanks for listenting,
FoundingFather

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For completeness of my argument, I am updating my original post with a list of items that both Romney and Obama agree on:

- Support renewal of the Patriot Act
- Support NDAA Indefinite Detention Clause
- Support The Federal Reserve System
- Support going to war without Congressional approval
- Support intervention in Middle East affairs
- Support sanctions on Iran
- Oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve
- Support TARP Too Big To Fail Bank Bailout
- Support federal deficit spending and economic "stimulus"
- Oppose immediate balancing of the federal budget
- Support some form of a universal health care system
- Support strict gun control measures
- Support the IRS and a progressive income tax
- Oppose legalizing marijuana
- Same top campaign donors: The Too Big To Fail Banks (Obama in '08, now Romney in '12)
 
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BOP

Well-Known Member
Dear morons:
in principle, you are absolutely correct.

The reality is that a vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama.

Those of us who have actually taken fire realize that sometimes, there are not good choices and that we have to make the best of a bad situation.

Or, as "Iron Mike" Tyson so eloquently put it: "Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Dear 'Morons'?

Let's just walk through this, OK? What would we expect a President Romney to do that will be fundamentally different, ideally fundamentally better for the nation, than Obama? Obama has, fundamentally, done nothing different than the prior administration; on entitlements, Wall Street (but I repeat myself) the wars, globalization, immigration, spending.

I mean, what are the problems, the big things only a president can lead us to, and what should be done about them?

I'd like to think Mitt will be better for the nation but, how?
Right now, I can't even get on his web page to copy and paste his stated positions. It keeps redirecting me.

So, pick one.
 

FoundingFather

New Member
Dear morons:
in principle, you are absolutely correct.

The reality is that a vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama.

Those of us who have actually taken fire realize that sometimes, there are not good choices and that we have to make the best of a bad situation.

Or, as "Iron Mike" Tyson so eloquently put it: "Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."

I see that you cannot have an adult conversation about this without insults. Your reply has proven my point. You are sucked into the "my team versus their team" menatilty. You are not "making the best of a bad situation", you are simply perpetuating a bad situation.

Romney has no fundamental difference from Obama. Please go ahead and tell me what the difference is. The plain truth is that, if elected, Mitt Romney will continue to expand big government policies, just as the admistrations of the past have done.
 

FromTexas

This Space for Rent
I see that you cannot have an adult conversation about this without insults. Your reply has proven my point. You are sucked into the "my team versus their team" menatilty. You are not "making the best of a bad situation", you are simply perpetuating a bad situation.

Romney has no fundamental difference from Obama. Please go ahead and tell me what the difference is. The plain truth is that, if elected, Mitt Romney will continue to expand big government policies, just as the admistrations of the past have done.

He is white and Mormon. I would say those areas represent pretty fundamental differences coloring how each one views the world. Just sayin... :shrug:
 

FoundingFather

New Member
He is white and Mormon. I would say those areas represent pretty fundamental differences coloring how each one views the world. Just sayin... :shrug:

Sure, let me be more specific, they have no fundamental difference in political ideology and that is what is important to realize, as addressed in my original post.
 
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FreedomFan

Snarky 'ol Cuss
Sure, let me be more specific, they have no fundamental difference in political ideology and that is what is important to realize, as addressed in my original post.

Precisely. And the have no difference in political ideology because they both are working for the same master.
 

BOP

Well-Known Member
Great plan; let's vote for the guy who'll get zero cooperation from either the republican'ts or the demonrats, should some miracle occur and lightning simultaneously strike both candidates.

Genius.


:rolleyes:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Great plan; let's vote for the guy who'll get zero cooperation from either the republican'ts or the demonrats, should some miracle occur and lightning simultaneously strike both candidates.

Genius.


:rolleyes:

Wouldn't that be far preferable to the cooperation the last two have gotten and what they've done with it? Or are you one of those 'any progress is good progress, even bad progress' types?

If Gary Johnson were to win, whatever lack of cooperation he got from congress would be worth it to have a president who actually honored the oath of office they ALL took.

:buddies:
 

thatguy

New Member
Wirelessly posted

Larry Gude said:
Great plan; let's vote for the guy who'll get zero cooperation from either the republican'ts or the demonrats, should some miracle occur and lightning simultaneously strike both candidates.

Genius.


:rolleyes:

Wouldn't that be far preferable to the cooperation the last two have gotten and what they've done with it? Or are you one of those 'any progress is good progress, even bad progress' types?

If Gary Johnson were to win, whatever lack of cooperation he got from congress would be worth it to have a president who actually honored the oath of office they ALL took.

:buddies:

Exactly. Not to mention that if we had a president who actually had a plan to get the fiscal house in order and the congress refused to work with him, both of the parties would suffer. We might even get a chance to see significant changes in the midterm elections. Wouldnt that be nice, an actual change of guard?
 

foodcritic

New Member
I see that you cannot have an adult conversation about this without insults. Your reply has proven my point. You are sucked into the "my team versus their team" menatilty. You are not "making the best of a bad situation", you are simply perpetuating a bad situation.

Romney has no fundamental difference from Obama. Please go ahead and tell me what the difference is. The plain truth is that, if elected, Mitt Romney will continue to expand big government policies, just as the admistrations of the past have done.

Johnson could not win as a Republican so for some reason he jumped ship.

Romney/Ryan now realize the fiscal crisis is here and rearing it's ugly head! No difference? Who proposed a budget to cut spending? RYAN!!!!

It's a math problem and Romney and Ryan are saying THEY will address it. Obama is antithetical to American values. He is doubling down on his socialist agenda. I would let Romney have a whack at it before giving up.
 

Rommey

Well-Known Member
Romney is also a socialist. He seems to have a different set of people fooled than Obama does.

Well, that may be true to a certain extent...

However, when 0bama said he'd cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term and actually did the opposite, then that should disqualify him. What makes anyone think he'll actually do anything to reign in spending? At lead Romney would have a budget hawk as his VP, so there's some reason to believe that the financial health of the US will be addressed.
 

FreedomFan

Snarky 'ol Cuss
Well, that may be true to a certain extent...

However, when 0bama said he'd cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term and actually did the opposite, then that should disqualify him. What makes anyone think he'll actually do anything to reign in spending? At lead Romney would have a budget hawk as his VP, so there's some reason to believe that the financial health of the US will be addressed.

Well anyone stupid enough to believe anything Obama or any other politician 'promises' to do deserves exactly what they get. Ryan is no hawk. He just has lots of people fooled - just like Obama did and still does.
 

Rommey

Well-Known Member
Well anyone stupid enough to believe anything Obama or any other politician 'promises' to do deserves exactly what they get. Ryan is no hawk. He just has lots of people fooled - just like Obama did and still does.
The point being we know what 0bama will do, probably even more of the same as a lame duck. Even when 0bama said he would cut the deficit he offered no real plan...and once elected he ignored anything to do with controlling costs and went on a spending spree.

Ryan is chairman of the House Budget committee. He is primarily known for his work in this area. The fact that his budget proposals have pissed off some people should be some indication that they might be able to make the tough choices. They might not makes a dent in the deficit, but I'm pretty sure they won't explode it like 0bama did.
 
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