The lower the IQ score

[Mateo]

Taking it from personal experience, there really arn't any atheists in a foxhole, particularly if your position is under fire or you can see large numbers gathering to assault. Believe me, if you didn't pray hard before, you would definitely do so then.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

Taking it from personal experience, there really arn't any atheists in a foxhole, particularly if your position is under fire or you can see large numbers gathering to assault. Believe me, if you didn't pray hard before, you would definitely do so then.

I believe this...and, not to insult you..but it is fact that the majority of grunts don't have a very high IQ....

Just sayin.

 

[Solja_Boy]

The lower the IQ score, the more likely a person is to be religious. Amen. I mean really? Interesting thread on CL about the subject. re Re2: I see the atheists are back....

I'm not religous at all. That must make me the smartest man alive. halleluiah halla back.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I believe this...and, not to insult you..but it is fact that the majority of grunts don't have a very high IQ....

Just sayin.

I'd venture to say that there are quite a few in the military that would take extreme umbrage to that remark. My son is in the military, believes in God, and has an IQ in the 130s.

 

[Sharon]

Oh come one, attacking people of faith is quite in fashion.

It seems to be the norm around here. You would think the higher intelligent type had better things to do with their time than try to convince Christians that they're stupid. Even if they managed to convince one person, is that person going to instantly gain a higher IQ now that they no longer believe?

Now that's stupid.

 

[godsbutterfly]

I was hoping someone would bring this up. There is a big difference between intelligence and wisdom. Just for the record I believe Hitler had an IQ of about 141; Charles Manson is 121.

You can be smart as a whip, but without wisdom it's worthless.

I have wisdom and I have common sense. I don't have a closed mind. Do I think I know everything? No. Do I think anybody does? No. What I do know is that I choose of my own free will to believe in God. I believe that some things in this world have evolved and are still evolving, but I believe God created the world. I'm not going to argue with anybody about it. People who don't believe in God have already made their positions very clear here. I do believe with all of my being.

 

[PsyOps]

It seems to be the norm around here. You would think the higher intelligent type had better things to do with their time than try to convince Christians that they're stupid. Even if they managed to convince one person, is that person going to instantly gain a higher IQ now that they no longer believe?

Now that's stupid.

Pompousness and arrogance often accompany those that have intelligence without any sense. I'll take compassion over intellect any day.

 

[PsyOps]

I have wisdom and I have common sense. I don't have a closed mind. Do I think I know everything? No. Do I think anybody does? No. What I do know is that I choose of my own free will to believe in God. I believe that some things in this world have evolved and are still evolving, but I believe God created the world. I'm not going to argue with anybody about it. People who don't believe in God have already made their positions very clear here. I do believe with all of my being.

I happen to enjoy debating these issues. I think it's a shame that the debate gets reduced to "Well, because I believe [this] I must be smarter than you". This kind of rationale coming from someone claiming higher intellegence?

 

[godsbutterfly]

I happen to enjoy debating these issues. I think it's a shame that the debate gets reduced to "Well, because I believe [this] I must be smarter than you". This kind of rationale coming from someone claiming higher intellegence?

I don't enjoy the debate because I've read it and/or heard it so many times I think I could have it by myself! It serves no purpose and generally ends with barbs being thrown back and forth as tempers start rising. Jesus never asked to be crammed down anybody's throat. Once the emotions get stirred up neither side is really paying attention to the other side's point of view anyway. Both sides think they are right and nobody is willing to budge an inch. It's pointless and I see no sense in getting into a "Deja Vu" debate that nobody is going to win and that will just keep on going round and round endlessly.

 

[PsyOps]

I don't enjoy the debate because I've read it and/or heard it so many times I think I could have it by myself! It serves no purpose and generally ends with barbs being thrown back and forth as tempers start rising. Jesus never asked to be crammed down anybody's throat. Once the emotions get stirred up neither side is really paying attention to the other side's point of view anyway. Both sides think they are right and nobody is willing to budge an inch. It's pointless and I see no sense in getting into a "Deja Vu" debate that nobody is going to win and that will just keep on going round and round endlessly.

Whoa now! I'm not cramming anything down anyone's throat. Jesus demanded we spread the word not just sit idly by allowing the naysayers have their way with the what's heard and seen.

 

[Mateo]

I believe this...and, not to insult you..but it is fact that the majority of grunts don't have a very high IQ....

Just sayin.

No umbrage on me...lol. You know, in that case....Praise the Lord (Give me more earth !!!!/Pass the frickin ammo !) No high IQ needed there/

 

[Marie]

The lower the IQ score, the more likely a person is to be religious. Amen. I mean really? Interesting thread on CL about the subject. re Re2: I see the atheists are back....

<DIR>Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
Rom 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,

<DIR>Rom 1:28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
Rom 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,
Rom 1:30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1:32 Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
</DIR></DIR>

 

[PsyOps]

I believe this...and, not to insult you..but it is fact that the majority of grunts don't have a very high IQ....

Just sayin.

Well, how much IQ was required to come up with this one?

Just askin.

Edit: With all due respect, I have to say this is one of the more ignorant statements I've seen in this forum.

 

[Mateo]

I believe this...and, not to insult you..but it is fact that the majority of grunts don't have a very high IQ....

Just sayin.

Friend, the "best and the brightest" have a tendency to get us stuck where we don't belong.
Having a high IQ doesn't mean a thing if you don't have the common sense to balance it.
I may not have a "high IQ" according to your standards, but I have survived this long. I view many of my brothers in uniform the same way. I ask you man to man not to equate "intelligence" with circumstance. I believe your wording can be misconstrued as insulting to others (though not to me....one develops a thick hide when he has brother soldiers he must enable to survive also).
Just some friendly advice.

 

[godsbutterfly]

Whoa now! I'm not cramming anything down anyone's throat. Jesus demanded we spread the word not just sit idly by allowing the naysayers have their way with the what's heard and seen.

I'm sorry! I wasn't trying to aim darts at you and I apologize if it came off that way - bad day yesterday -please forgive me -we've been on the same side far too often. I've seen it so many times where people are almost literally hitting somebody in the head with a Bible. I've been to so called "Revivals" where they are going to "save"the person regardless and it's more like they have them surrounded and the person looks desperate while they are nearly being driven into the ground. This combined with heated arguing and not really communicating is why I don't really like to even try and debate.

 

[Mateo]

I'm sorry! I wasn't trying to aim darts at you and I apologize if it came off that way - bad day yesterday -please forgive me -we've been on the same side far too often. I've seen it so many times where people are almost literally hitting somebody in the head with a Bible. I've been to so called "Revivals" where they are going to "save"the person regardless and it's more like they have them surrounded and the person looks desperate while they are nearly being driven into the ground. This combined with heated arguing and not really communicating is why I don't really like to even try and debate.

A lot of what you say is definitely valid.
A lot of us get hooked into religions and other beliefs when we are at our lowest and hence vulnerable and susceptible. I have been on the mall downtown soaking my feet in the reflecting pool unaware that a bible revival is going on until either a kid or a very pretty gal sits by me and says"Jesus loves you". I confess initially I was taken aback until a bible was produced and then I knew the game was afoot.
I think I know when I need salvation and I think so do the majority of you.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Whoa now! I'm not cramming anything down anyone's throat. Jesus demanded we spread the word not just sit idly by allowing the naysayers have their way with the what's heard and seen.

Jesus told us to spread the gospel, but He also said not to cast our pearls before swine and to shake the dust off our feet. I believe He was telling us to proclaim, teach the willing listeners, and ignore those that reject the Word. He never argued with the scribes, Pharisees, and Sadducees. He told them the Truth and let them accept or condemn themselves by their own actions.

I used to try to convince, cajole, and otherwise argue someone into believing. I never found debate to ever bring anyone to their knees before Christ. It was wasted effort better spent speaking with those that the Lord had already prepared to hear His message. Occasionally, I would find someone who was open but argumentative. As long as the dialog was not stagnant, then I would share Biblical verses to answer questions. Sometimes the Lord opened their heart and sometimes I had to let God try again with someone else or not.

I'm not in the business of saving souls. That is God's work. All He asks is that I be willing to spread the Word. I'll leave the results up to the Holy Spirit.

 

[Baja28]

Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.
[*]Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism)<LI id=kepler>Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled! <LI id=Galilei>Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.
[*]Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous "I think therefore I am". Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon (1561-1626) are generally regarded as the key figures in the development of scientific methodology. Both had systems in which God was important, and both seem more devout than the average for their era.[/LIST]

John Philoponus late 6th Century Aristotle's early Christian critic
Hugh of St. Victor c. 1096-1141 theologian of science
Robert Grosseteste c. 1168-1253 reform-minded bishop-scientist
Roger Bacon c. 1220-1292 Doctor Mirabiles
Dietrich von Frieberg c. 1250-c. 1310 the priest who solved the mystery of the rainbow
Thomas Bradwardine c. 1290-1349 student of motion
Nicole Oresme c. 1320-1382 inventor of scientific graphic techniques
Nicholas of Cusa 1401-1464 grappler with infinity
Georgias Agricola 1495-1555 founder of metallurgy
Johannes Kepler 1571-1630 discoverer of the laws of planetary motion
Johannes Baptista van Helmont 1579-1644 founder of pneumatic chemistry and chemical physiology
Francesco Maria Grimaldi 1618-1663 discoverer of the diffraction of light
Blaise Pascal 1623-1662 mathematical prodigy and universal genius
Robert Boyle 1627-1691 founder of modern chemistry
John Ray 1627-1705 cataloger of British flora and fauna
Isaac Barrow 1630-1677 Sir Issac Newton's teacher
Antonie van Leeuwenhoek 1632-1723 discoverer of bacteria
Niels Seno 1638-1686 founder of geology
James Bradley 1693-1762 discoverer of the aberration of starlight
Ewald Georg von Kleist c. 1700-1748 inventor of the Leyden jar
Carolus Linnaeus 1707-1778 classifer of all living things
Leonhard Euler 1707-1783 the prolific mathematician
John Dalton 1766-1844 founder of modern atomic theory
Thomas Young 1773-1829 first to conduct a double-slit experiment with light
David Brewster 1781-1868 researcher of polarized light
William Buckland 1784-1856 geologist of the Noahic flood
Adem Sedgwick 1785-1873 geologist of the Cambrian
Augustin-Jean Fresnel 1788-1827 the physicist of light waves
Augustin Louis Cauchy 1789-1857 mathematician
Michael Faraday 1791-1867 giant of electrical research
John Frederick William Herschel 1792-1871 cataloger of the Southern skies
Matthew Fontaine Maury 1806-1873 pathfinder of the seas
Philip Henry Gosse 1810-1888 popular naturalist
Asa Gray 1810-1888 influential botanist
James Dwight Dana 1813-1895 systematizer of minerology
George Boole 1815-1864 discoverer of pure mathematics
James Prescott Joule 1818-1889 originator of Joule's Law
John Couch Adams 1819-1892 co-discoverer of Neptune
George Gabriel Stokes 1819-1903 theorist of fluorescence
Gregor Mendel 1822-1884 pioneer in genetics
William Thomson, Lord Kelvin 1824-1907 physicist of thermodynammics
Georg Friedrich Bernhard Riemann 1829-1907 the non-Euclidean geometer behind relativity theory
James Clerk Maxwell 1831-1879 father of modern physics
Edward William Morley 1838-1923 Michelson's partner in measuring the speed of light
Pierre-Maurice-Marie Duhem 1861-1923 the physicist who recovered the science of the Middle Ages
Georges Lemaitre 1894-1966 the prist who showed us the universe is expanding
George Washington Carver c. 1864-1943 pioneer in chemurgy
Arthur Stanley Eddington 1882-1944 the astronomer who ruled stellar theory

Wow. Got anyone more recent than 42 years ago?

I mean if you compare todays technology to that of 40 years ago....

 

[MMDad]

..but it is fact that the majority of grunts don't have a very high IQ....

Do you have something to back up this "fact?" Or are you just spouting ignorant again?

Although the military does not perform IQ testing, it is estimated that the average IQ of enlistees is in the 60-65 percentile range, or an IQ of 105.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Jesus told us to spread the gospel, but He also said not to cast our pearls before swine and to shake the dust off our feet. I believe He was telling us to proclaim, teach the willing listeners, and ignore those that reject the Word. He never argued with the scribes, Pharisees, and Sadducees. He told them the Truth and let them accept or condemn themselves by their own actions.
I used to try to convince, cajole, and otherwise argue someone into believing. I never found debate to ever bring anyone to their knees before Christ. It was wasted effort better spent speaking with those that the Lord had already prepared to hear His message. Occasionally, I would find someone who was open but argumentative. As long as the dialog was not stagnant, then I would share Biblical verses to answer questions. Sometimes the Lord opened their heart and sometimes I had to let God try again with someone else or not.

Exactly my thoughts! This is why I no longer spend time "rehashing" things with those whom I've "hashed" it with before. I'll tell them the truth and, when they choose to bring it up again, I just say we've already been down this road before and there is no need to go there again. Once folks are made accountable, nothing more is needed if they refuse to listen. God does NOT forget like many people do.

Do you have something to back up this "fact?" Or are you just spouting ignorant again? Although the military does not perform IQ testing, it is estimated that the average IQ of enlistees is in the 60-65 percentile range, or an IQ of 105.

Come on MMDad, he's 18 and knows way more than any of us here!!!