The Seven Blunders

High EGT

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Mohandas K. Gandhi was convinced much of the violence in society and in our personal lives stems from the passive violence that we commit against each other. He described these acts of passive violence as the "Seven Blunders".

1. Wealth Without Work
2. Pleasure Without Conscience
3. Knowledge Without Character
4. Commerce Without Morality
5. Science Without Humanity
6. Worship Without Sacrifice
7. Politics Without Principles
(added) Rights Without Responsibilities

http://www.gandhiinstitute.org/Library/LibraryItem.cfm?LibraryID=780

I guess we all need occasionally to climb those steps and converse with a wise man atop a mountain.
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.

High EGT said:
1. Wealth Without Work
2. Pleasure Without Conscience
3. Knowledge Without Character
4. Commerce Without Morality
5. Science Without Humanity
6. Worship Without Sacrifice
7. Politics Without Principles
(added) Rights Without Responsibilities

http://www.gandhiinstitute.org/Library/LibraryItem.cfm?LibraryID=780
It amazes me that Mahatma Gandhi's own family "Arun Gandhi" could not understand the non violent message.

That last add-on is so far from correct because it tries to control others and to undermine the human rights.

I am really disappointed in that. To think he could miss the mark so completely.
:whack:
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
JPC sr said:
It amazes me that Mahatma Gandhi's own family "Arun Gandhi" could not understand the non violent message.

That last add-on is so far from correct because it tries to control others and to undermine the human rights.

I am really disappointed in that. To think he could miss the mark so completely.
:whack:
:roflmao: You of all people saying anyone missed the mark? It'd be comical if it weren't so pathetic.

1. You want wealth, but you are not willing to work.
2. You have no Conscience
3. You have no Character
4. You don't even know what Morality is.
5. You don't understand Science or Humanity
6. You don't understand that it is self Sacrifice, not others sacrificing for you
7. You have no Principles
 

This_person

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MMDad said:
:roflmao: You of all people saying anyone missed the mark? It'd be comical if it weren't so pathetic.

1. You want wealth, but you are not willing to work.
2. You have no Conscience
3. You have no Character
4. You don't even know what Morality is.
5. You don't understand Science or Humanity
6. You don't understand that it is self Sacrifice, not others sacrificing for you
7. You have no Principles
But, he IS willing to have rights with no responsibilities.
 

SamSpade

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This_person said:
But, he IS willing to have rights with no responsibilities.

I'm amused by his title - but no more than how very often it is misused as though it was spoken by Jesus without reference to anything else. When he said the truth will set you free, it was contained in a much more involved context.

"If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

It's not rocket science - you know the truth AND it sets you free IF you hold to the teaching. The truth by itself doesn't set anyone free.
 

Toxick

Splat
JPC sr said:
That last add-on is so far from correct because it tries to control others and to undermine the human rights.

Perhaps that could be because you are solidified to the concept of rights without responsibilities?



Gandhi is not the only great man in history to equate rights with the obligation to use them responsibly. If you think anyone in this universe is going to place your judgement over that of so many brilliant philosophers, statesmen, gurus, diplomats, clergymen, historians, and assorted geniuses throughout history, you have sadly overestimated your own worth.





This is typical behavior in sociopaths, incidentally.





JPC sr said:
I am really disappointed in that. To think he could miss the mark so completely.


Gandhi, no doubt, is spinning in his grave at your disapproval.


Maybe not rotating really fast.... but nice and slowly... rotisserie style.
 

High EGT

Gort! Klaatu barada nikto
JPC sr said:
It amazes me that Mahatma Gandhi's own family "Arun Gandhi" could not understand the non violent message.

That last add-on is so far from correct because it tries to control others and to undermine the human rights.

I am really disappointed in that. To think he could miss the mark so completely.
:whack:

Not surprised JPC. If fact I almost put your Initials next to last (add on) since you came to mind when first read and decided to post. Call it Karma?
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
Scofflaw and Personal Responsibility.

Toxick said:
Gandhi is not the only great man in history to equate rights with the obligation to use them responsibly.

This is typical behavior in sociopaths, incidentally.

Gandhi, no doubt, is spinning in his grave at your disapproval.
:whistle: The article HERE is not from Mahatma Gandhi, it is his grandson Arun Gandhi.

Mahatma wrote the first seven (7) blunders and I totally agree with them and with him,

but that add-on at the end of rights with or without responsiblities never came from the great Mahatma.

The last add-on is a worthless fraud and very unworthy of the other seven.

Rights come without any responsibilities or else it is not a right. :jameo:
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
JPC sr said:
:whistle: The article HERE is not from Mahatma Gandhi, it is his grandson Arun Gandhi.

Mahatma wrote the first seven (7) blunders and I totally agree with them and with him,

but that add-on at the end of rights with or without responsiblities never came from the great Mahatma.

The last add-on is a worthless fraud and very unworthy of the other seven.

Rights come without any responsibilities or else it is not a right. :jameo:
In your world of life free of all responsibility and demanding all rights, how do you differentiate the concepts of wealth without work and pleasure without conscience from rights without responsibilities? One is a natural compliment to the other for those of us with morals, and who speak dictionary English. What are they to you, Cliffy?
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
Scofflaw and Personal Responsibility.

This_person said:
In your world of life free of all responsibility and demanding all rights, how do you differentiate the concepts of wealth without work and pleasure without conscience from rights without responsibilities? One is a natural compliment to the other for those of us with morals, and who speak dictionary English. What are they to you, Cliffy?
:jameo: I see it as boiling down to the question of abortion and the right to life.

The "responsibilities" is putting a condition to the "right" and thus it is not a right.

Saying the unborn must be healthy first then it has a right to life,

or the parents must be able and willing to pay for the child or else the unborn looses its right to life.

That if the unborn is unwanted then it looses the right to life,

all these are conditions that if no one takes the so called "responsibility" then the right is lost.

Therefore I say it is wrong. :howdy:
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
JPC sr said:
Saying ... the parents must be able and willing to pay for the child or else the unborn looses its right to life.

That if the unborn is unwanted then it looses the right to life, all these are conditions that if no one takes the so called "responsibility" then the right is lost. Therefore I say it is wrong.
So, tell me, where does the child's right to food, clothing, and shelter come from? If the parents won't take that responsibility, or "can't" take that responsibility, then doesn't that force some else to take that responsibility? Of course it does, that just goes without saying - the food, clothing, and shelter don't appear from a genie's three wishes, now, do they?

Okay, so it's obvious that someone else will be forced to take the responsibility... now, where does THEIR right to not have the responsibility forced onto them come into play?
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
Subsidized Adultery is child support.

This_person said:
So, tell me, where does the child's right to food, clothing, and shelter come from? If the parents won't take that responsibility, or "can't" take that responsibility, then doesn't that force some else to take that responsibility? Of course it does, that just goes without saying - the food, clothing, and shelter don't appear from a genie's three wishes, now, do they?

Okay, so it's obvious that someone else will be forced to take the responsibility... now, where does THEIR right to not have the responsibility forced onto them come into play?
:whistle: The children do not have any rights to be spoiled or pampered by their parents in order to be conceived and born. The right to life for the unborn does not mean the right to have luxuries after birth. And parents do not have to meet some money criteria before they can conceive or have their rightful baby.

This is what I was saying that some people try to put conditions on our "rights" calling it "responsibility" and thus denies and violates the person's right.

The right to life is unconditional and as Thomas Jefferson said it - it is an "inalienable right to life..." but other people trample onto our human rights by calling for conditions and so-called "responsibilities" and that is so wrong to do.

The unborn babies do have a right to life that some people like Doctors do violate the unborn's right to life by murdering the baby but that does not nulify the right, it simply makes Doctors into criminals, crimes against humanity. Our gov does not deal with baby murders as a crime because we have a criminal gov in this regard.
:patriot:
 

High EGT

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duty: the social force that binds you to the courses of action demanded by that force; "we must instill a sense of duty in our children"; "every right implies a responsibility; every opportunity, an obligation; every possession, a duty"- John D.Rockefeller Jr

province: the proper sphere or extent of your activities; "it was his province to take care of himself"

a form of trustworthiness; the trait of being answerable to someone for something or being responsible for one's conduct; "he holds a position of great responsibility

In moral philosophy, the word responsibility has at least two related meanings: * The obligation to answer for actions. Often this means answering to some specified authority.

a degree of control which has attained meaning for society. synonym: morality. analog: understanding.
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The moral and forward-looking sense of responsibility is the sense in which one is responsible for achieving (or maintaining) a good result in some matter. The idea is that one is entrusted with achieving or maintaining this outcome, and expected to both have relevant knowledge and skills, and to make a conscientious effort. However, despite one's best efforts, the result may not be achieved. ...
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Condition, quality, fact, or instance of being responsible; obligation, accountability, dependability, etc.
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To be entrusted with or assigned a duty or charge. In many instances responsibility is assumed, appropriate with one's duties. Responsibility is distinct from accountability. A supervisor can assign responsibility but cannot give away his or her accountability: the manager is ultimately responsible.
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a virtue, is a charge, trust, or duty, for which one is responsible. To be responsible means to be correspondent or answerable, accountable to another for something, liable to be called to account, morally accountable for your actions, capable of rational conduct. The Vow of Responsibility: "I am now become responsible for all my own earth life. The spot I occupy now I have made for myself. The work I do now is as a servant of God. ...
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An obligation to perform assigned activities.
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Youth accepts and takes personal responsibility.
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This_person

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JPC sr said:
The children do not have any rights to be spoiled or pampered by their parents in order to be conceived and born. The right to life for the unborn does not mean the right to have luxuries after birth. And parents do not have to meet some money criteria before they can conceive or have their rightful baby.
I'm not going to fall into arguing with you again over your ignorance, but realize, FOOD, CLOTHING, AND SHELTER are not luxuries nor being spoiled. If they are, give back all I'm providing to you. You don't have that right.
This is what I was saying that some people try to put conditions on our "rights" calling it "responsibility" and thus denies and violates the person's right.

The right to life is unconditional and as Thomas Jefferson said it - it is an "inalienable right to life..." but other people trample onto our human rights by calling for conditions and so-called "responsibilities" and that is so wrong to do.

The unborn babies do have a right to life that some people like Doctors do violate the unborn's right to life by murdering the baby but that does not nulify the right, it simply makes Doctors into criminals, crimes against humanity. Our gov does not deal with baby murders as a crime because we have a criminal gov in this regard.
:patriot:
Pretty words, but you never answered the question of who's going to provide the necessities, and (since the parents can't provide them) where the right of the person (forced into providng them) to not provide for someone else's children comes into play.
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
Scofflaw and Personal Responsibility.

High EGT said:
As a service to one who seems clouded with abstract images to the term Responsibility and to its meaning. Hope it helps and should also help in your rehabilitation to the real world.
:jameo: Actually we are basically in agreement,

that "responsibility" is not a "right" and a right is not a responsibility.

Trying to put a "responsibility" condition onto our human rights is a way of taking away those rights.

I really think that corrupt mindset is a big part of how people justify abortion,

because the unborn person does not live up to the unGodly requirements (responsibilities) that the unborn must first be healthy enough, the parents must have cash to pay, the baby must first be wanted or else the right to life gets extinguished.

It is the same perspective because "responsibility" is the orders and demands from others and from gov and from society and from individuals telling others what they must do as a "responsibility" or else loose their human rights.

The USA tortures prisoners because some prisoners are denied their rights.

The USA accepts the Doctors murdering babies as the babies rights are violated.

Having rights without responsibilities is not an 8th blunder,

the opposite is correct that having rights based on responsibilities is no right at all. :whistle:
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.

SamSpade said:
I'm amused by his title - but no more than how very often it is misused as though it was spoken by Jesus without reference to anything else. When he said the truth will set you free, it was contained in a much more involved context.

"If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

It's not rocket science - you know the truth AND it sets you free IF you hold to the teaching. The truth by itself doesn't set anyone free.
:jameo: That is just taking the text and the principle to the extreme, and that is only partly correct,

the truth is powerful even in small quantities, half truth is better then no truth,

so if others find out the truth about the injustice in child support then that small piece of truth can free us all from that condition, but they would still be lost about the other bigger truths,

and I still reccommend that anyone or everyone would go to the extremes that the Gospel tells us but even a full sinfilled ignorant fool that finds a small simple truth then they will be free in that one regard.

It is not an all or nothing principle. The truth comes a little at a time. :whistle:
 

budman473

New Member
JPC sr said:
:jameo: That is just taking the text and the principle to the extreme, and that is only partly correct,

the truth is powerful even in small quantities, half truth is better then no truth,


You moron a half truth is the same as no truth. It is still a lie. The truth is the truth. Half of the truth is a lie!
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
JPC sr said:
:jameo: Actually we are basically in agreement,

that "responsibility" is not a "right" and a right is not a responsibility.

Trying to put a "responsibility" condition onto our human rights is a way of taking away those rights.

I really think that corrupt mindset is a big part of how people justify abortion,

because the unborn person does not live up to the unGodly requirements (responsibilities) that the unborn must first be healthy enough, the parents must have cash to pay, the baby must first be wanted or else the right to life gets extinguished.

It is the same perspective because "responsibility" is the orders and demands from others and from gov and from society and from individuals telling others what they must do as a "responsibility" or else loose their human rights.

The USA tortures prisoners because some prisoners are denied their rights.

The USA accepts the Doctors murdering babies as the babies rights are violated.

Having rights without responsibilities is not an 8th blunder,

the opposite is correct that having rights based on responsibilities is no right at all. :whistle:
How far did you make it in school? Did you ever pass an English class?

No one was equating rights and responsibilities. The "Blunder" is having rights without acting responsible. You actually agree, you're just too stupid to know it.

Take your patently false rhetoric about torture. You say we do it as a routine measure. I say, if we can, we must have that right. You say we don't have that right. Now, follow me here, Jimmy; we have the right to handle anyone any way we want, but we have the responsibility to treat them fairly. See, we're powerful, rich, all the crap you spout routinely. That gives us a lot of personal and international rights. We have the responsibility to act correctly on them.

Now, you're other non-child support neglect example: abortion. Women have the right to do with their bodies as they will - this is truth and (unfortunately) "backed" by the Supreme Court decisions. However, you're saying that the women (and the doctor's involved) have the responsibility to act appropriately to the life in the woman. I agree with your assessment on a big picture scale, but agreement on abortion really isn't the issue. Women have the right, but with that right comes responsibility.

So, in a way, you were right. There's no much disagreement, you just don't realize you agree with reality in this case. You think you don't, but you're wrong even about yourself.

Oh, and by the way, you still haven't answered how the rights of the people NOT to support deadbeat parents' children comes in.
 
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