mAlice
professional daydreamer
I saw something about this tribe recently when watch a documentary on the arc.
The Tribes of Isreal
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I saw something about this tribe recently when watch a documentary on the arc.
migtig
aka Mrs. Giant
Exactly. Only $99.95 (plu S&H) and a harmless swab and you too could find out if you are part of the lost tribe.
Actually, without DNA research though, I would have never know that I had Melungeon (among other) ancestors. There was a huge (and still is) DNA undertaking on it and it even classifies which sub-Saharan African, or Spanish, or Eurasian, or Indian descent you've been combined with, including the fact that you have Jewish ancestors as well. Very interesting.
migtig
aka Mrs. Giant
If anyone's actually interested in what their DNA says about them and doesn't want to participate in the Genographic Project I really suggest checking this place out:
Family Tree DNA - The World's Only Newsletter Dedicated to Genetic Genealogy
Family Tree DNA - The World's Only Newsletter Dedicated to Genetic Genealogy
Starman3000m
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Starman, reading comprehension can be your friend. What you ASSUmed was her question, wasn't.
First, the original question was a bit vague as mAlice honestly admitted. But let me ask then how would you comprehend her following question?
mAlice said:
I merely pointed out that a "Jew" is of the tribe of Judah. All other tribes are Israelis. So when mAlice asks about the "larger tribe" being the Jews that live all over the world today, that infers descendants of Judah. Yes or no?
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migtig
aka Mrs. Giant
Are you serious?!
Her question was addressed towards BETA who said (I bolded for you)
Really, if you STILL don't get it, then I suggest you take a remedial reading course before posting any further. The local community college offers one.
Beta84
They're out to get us
Wrong
Starman3000m
New Member
Are you serious?!
Her question was addressed towards BETA who said (I bolded for you)
Really, if you STILL don't get it, then I suggest you take a remedial reading course before posting any further. The local community college offers one.
OK - Thanks for pointing that out. I promise to put my reading glasses on and go take that remedial course - maybe one in speed reading.... naaahhh!
Starman3000m
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Who are the "Jews" ?
Beta84
They're out to get us
You should check my other posts that include links.
First off, Levis are Jewish so it can't only be Judah. Second, if only Judah was Jewish, then the Jews wouldn't say that they can't trace their ancestry through the other tribes if there is only 1 tribe that is Jewish.
There are different theories (I'm sorta lookin around online to check, here is one source: Do modern day Jewish people know what Tribe of Israel they are descended from? - Yahoo! Answers) but basically the two main ones that I've heard are:
1) Levi, Judah, and Benjamin are the main tribes. Judah and Benjamin are the two that didn't rebel along with the other tribes, while Levi are the priests and whatnot from the temple (the Levis include Cohen).
2) The 10 lost tribes were all part of the main Jewish population. That would make up the tribes of "Israel"
Either way, that "Israel" group is the group of lost tribes. Most people are unable to determine their heritage amongst those tribes.
I am not a Jew. I am not a descendent of Abraham. At least not that I know of and I know a lot about my ancestry. I am what the Bible refers to as a gentile. Jesus came first for the Jews and then for the gentiles. The gentiles are the adopted or "grafted in" children.
The tribes of Israel are God's chosen people because He chose to be born of man as one of them; Mary was a Jew. The Israelites are also God's "Day timer for mankind." We can tell where we are in Biblical prophetic time line based on what is happening to the Jews. Based on the persecution and the creation of the nation of Israel much of Biblical prophesy has been accomplished. The time line of Biblical prophesy that is still to be accomplished is much shorter that what has already been accomplished.
Starman3000m
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Spot on 2A! Here are excerpts from a few short articles that may be of interest in regard to God's prophetic timeline in relation to Israel and the Jews at this point in history:
Signs of the time (excerpt)
"Israel is a nation. The Jews have returned first from the East, then from the West, next they came from the North and finally they are coming from the South in the exact order as Isaiah 43:5-6 foretells. The preparations for building the third temple on the mount are complete. Israel is surrounded by enemies and anti-Semitism is rising all over the world. A peace plan is being brokered with those who hate the Jews and want no peace. Prophetic scripture is being fulfilled in this generation whether those who identify with Christianity acknowledge it or not..."
Israel the third temple and the coming Jewish holocaust
and;
Israeli organization to rebuild Third Temple of God:
(excerpt)
"In the midst of a critical time of redemption in Israel — and during a very complicated time of trouble all over the world, the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement held one of its most exciting events in its campaign to build the Third Temple in our lifetime. Now, more than any other time in the past, our materialistic generation needs the G-d of Israel to dwell in the midst of our daily lives. This generation needs the light of G-d to shine into the darkness that is now spreading to the four corners of the earth. As was prophesied through the prophets of Israel, G-d chose this time to bring about His plans with Israel in order to begin the endtime redemption of the entire world.
In a time when so many people in the world are searching and seeking after materialistic achievements and serving the "Golden Calf", the Faithful Movement has been involved in intensive endtime activities. We have been seeking the spirit, the morals, the values and the word of the G-d of Israel.
We have been demonstrating for the rebuilding of His Holy House in Jerusalem and for the coming of Mashiach Ben David in our lifetime."
Source:
The Temple Mount Faithful Feast of Tabernacles Celebration - 5769/2008
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Beta84
They're out to get us
How far back do you know about your ancestry? Just curious.
I was going to make a similar comment to what you said, but figured there was no need for me to bring it up, however it is interesting discussion. Many gentiles are Christian, but there were also a decent bit of Jews that converted over to Christianity. Still, odds are that most Christians today are 'gentiles' thanks to the Roman Empire converting their citizens. That one move is what most people can thank for their roots today.
Starman3000m
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Hi Beta - I know that you were addressing 2A in your post but find what you write interesting as well.
Learned just two years ago that my family is descended from the Sephardic Jews who settled in Spain and who were then forced out of Spain through the Inquisitions. Starting to learn bit by bit about my own ancestry.
Yes, it is rather interesting, as you say, Beta84. As you may know, the Jews who have placed their faith in Jesus know Him by the name of Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus the Messiah) During the first-century they came under great persecution by leaders and followers of Orthodox Judaism as well as the Roman government.
However, since that time, literally, thousands of Jews have surrendered their life to faith in Christ. They are referred to a Messianic Jews and there are many Messianic Jewish congregations throughout the world today. If there are any such congregations in anyone's area, I would recommend attending one of their worship services.
The True Christian message was spread throughout the lands during the first century by all of Christ's Apostles and by both Jews and Gentiles who heard the message and were converted. This happened prior to Rome's switch from multi-pagan belief to the "new religion." (Rome teaches a different version of "Christianity" than what the first-century Jews who placed faith in Christ believed and to this day not accept the Vatican leadership)
The Good News is that both Jews and Gentiles now share in God's Grace:
And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.
(Acts 19:10, 17)
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. (1 Corinthians 1:24)
God now views both Jew and Gentile as one family through faith in His Son:
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Romans 10:12-13)
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I know my family tree fairly well on my father's side. It is a different story on my mother's. Dad's side goes back to the Prince of Wales before the Revolution. My ancestors include John Adams. My ancestors go back to the earliest English colonization of America. I have a family Bible that was published in 1756.
It is interesting how you couch being a Christian as being a family linage. Being a Christian is a personal relationship with Jesus. Just because a person's mom, dad, or grandmother were Christians does not make the person a Christian. That is totally different from being an Israelite; you are an Israelite because your family tree goes back to Abraham.
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Starman3000m
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Wow, 2A, you do have an interesting history in your ancestry! Cool.
It would be interesting to find out more about your mother's ancestry regarding lineage and your descendency through her side. You may find the following info interesting as I did when I learned about this just a couple of years ago and note that it is written from the Orthodox perspective of Judaism:
The Jewish Mother: (excerpt)
"The original and current Jewish definition of a born Jew is someone whose mother is Jewish. Even though the Torah forbids a Jewish woman to marry a Gentile man, if she does, her children will still be Jewish.
The Torah also forbids a Jewish man to marry a Gentile woman, and if he does, his children by that woman will not be Jewish.
This annoys a great many people who wish to consider themselves Jewish, despite their non-Jewish mother. It is not my intention to annoy anyone. It is my intention to explain Judaism, and not to rationalize any dilution or changes in Jewish Law."
Who is a Jew, according to the Torah?
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Christianity goes on your own relationship with Jesus. Your mother or your father have nothing to do with a person being a Christian other than they may have taken their child to church and been Christians themselves leading by example. But just because mom or dad is a Christian and you even went to Sunday school or any class or Bible study or church does not make you a Christian. It is strictly a personal choice. You have to chose Jesus as Lord and Savior to be a Christian.
Well I do know a bit about my family through my mom. French - English with smatterings of other stuff but not to the same detail. The family on that side was poor and more concerned with putting food on the table rather than who great, great granddad was. But mom was friends of the kids of the Higgins family, of Higgins Boats (PT boat and Higgins shipyards). I think that got her in to some very nice places along the way when she was young.
Starman3000m
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Actually, "Christianity" is a Jewish sect - it is not a Gentile sect. As 2A explained in an earlier post, Gentiles are grafted into the family of God and receive Salvation through faith in the fullfilled prophecy of the Jewish Messiah who gave His Life as an atonement for the sins of mankind. And as 2A explained being a "Christian" is not based on the genes of either parent.
BTW: Orthodox Judaism rejects Jesus and His teachings because He was not whom they expected. Orthodox did not want a pacifist religious teacher - they were wanting to see a military leader (like King David) arrive on the scene to completely defeat the Roman armies and bring God's Peace on earth with the Messianic Kingdom ruling from Jerusalem.
That will not happen until the future time when the swords are turned into plowshares and there is true peace (Isaiah 2:4) (Micah 4:3) and when the wolf and the lamb even get along (Isaiah 65:25) Thus, Orthodox Judaism rejects Jesus because He did not specifically make those prophecies happen during the time when He walked on earth.
The point is that Jesus' first fulfillment was to be the Sacrificial Lamb of God whereby His Atoning Blood was shed for all of mankind. When He returns, (Second Advent) Jesus will then establish the True Peace on earth and establish a millennial reign from Jerusalem. That is the time when He will return as Moshiach ben David whom the Orthodox Jews await.
Interestingly, Orthodox Judaism teaches that two (2) Messiahs are awaited - Moshiach ben Yosef (son of Joseph) and Moshiach ben David. In the Orthodox teaching, Moshiach ben Yosef appears first, is killed in battle and then great persecution occurs against Jews. Then, soon afterward, Moshiach ben David appears to establish God's Kingdom on earth.
In essence, while Orthodox Jews call for peace and safety right now, they must realize that their "Moshiach ben Yosef" needs to arrive first and be killed as they teach. So for Israel, according to Orthodox prophecy of their two awaited Messiahs, things are going to get worse in this world before they get better. This parallels the New Testament teaching of the antichrist system that must appear on earth for a short while before Jesus can return to establish God's Kingdom on earth - reigning from Jerusalem.
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