Third-Most-Hated Religious Group in America

Nonno

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Why Are Mormons the Third-Most-Hated Religious Group in America?

"Everyone is talking about the sociology of religion doorstopper American Grace by David Campbell and Bowling Alone author Robert D. Putnam. I read it this summer and am re-reading parts of it now. It's a great book that will be fodder for several future blog posts about various demographic trends in American religion. The question I want to consider today is how much Mormons are still hated, despite the strong assimilationist trends of the last sixty years."

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Marie

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Why Are Mormons the Third-Most-Hated Religious Group in America?

"Everyone is talking about the sociology of religion doorstopper American Grace by David Campbell and Bowling Alone author Robert D. Putnam. I read it this summer and am re-reading parts of it now. It's a great book that will be fodder for several future blog posts about various demographic trends in American religion. The question I want to consider today is how much Mormons are still hated, despite the strong assimilationist trends of the last sixty years."

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Who says there hated?
They may be looked down upon for defying/breaking the laws of our country. They also may be pitied, for being caught up in a works based CULT that makes a fool out of them.
I dont think anyone hates them. I am not sure what they are being assimilated to, as they are no where near a orthodox or Biblical based Christianity. Which leaves them what they have always been, a man made religion that oppesses Christianity and the word of God.

I think the author maybe wrong, as Islam is everyones little darling and Christianty seems like the most hated. But then darkness never attacks its own!
 
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Toxick

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I think the author maybe wrong, as Islam is everyones little darling and Christianty seems like the most hated. But then darkness never attacks its own!


Christianity the most hated? Seriously?

Other than vocal athiests who seem to have a major woody for Christians (though they would deny it, or claim distaste for all religions equally) I can't say that I've ever felt HATED (because of my Christianity) by anyone. And avoiding "persecution" (if it can be called that) is quite easy to do, if you really have a mind to.

And, Islam is far from "everyone's little darling". It may be fashionable in the media and other left-wing circles to decry "racial profiling" and such, but in real-life person-to-person America where most of reality exists, there is deeply rooted fear and loathing of Islam and its practitioners. One only needs to look at these forums to see that.



IMO, any perceived admiration of Islam, or hatred of Christianity, is the product of the incessant harranguing of extremely vocal minorities.
 

Starman3000m

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Why Are Mormons the Third-Most-Hated Religious Group in America?

"Everyone is talking about the sociology of religion doorstopper American Grace by David Campbell and Bowling Alone author Robert D. Putnam. I read it this summer and am re-reading parts of it now. It's a great book that will be fodder for several future blog posts about various demographic trends in American religion. The question I want to consider today is how much Mormons are still hated, despite the strong assimilationist trends of the last sixty years."

Continue reading here.

The article states that a good percentage of that hate comes from the secular area - but, hey, that's not really surprising at all. LOL

However, what's rather interesting in addition to the article are the on-line comments that follow on that site. Many of the comments are from Mormons who state that they are basically causing their own problems.

I have found that Mormons strive to be a clean living, family oriented, law abiding group with acts of kindness that put many other "religious" people to shame. (I studied with Mormon missionaries and almost became Mormon)

Though the LDS theology is in great contrast to the New Testament teachings of Jesus, I agree with Marie and don't believe that Christians "hate" Mormons. Rather, there will always be the disagreement as to which belief is correct. In this case, comparisons of all other religious teachings vs The Book of Mormon and LDS teachings (There can Only Be One Truth)

As far as hatred toward one another - Well, that's part of the fallen nature of mankind and the only way to turn from hate to love is to have God's love in your heart toward all mankind whether they agree with you or not.

Jesus gave some good suggestions:

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
(Matthew 5:43-45)

P.S. Will be off the boards next week - family visiting from out of town.
 
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MMDad

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Who says there hated?
They may be looked down upon for defying/breaking the laws of our country. They also may be pitied, for being caught up in a works based CULT that makes a fool out of them.
I dont think anyone hates them. I am not sure what they are being assimilated to, as they are no where near a orthodox or Biblical based Christianity. Which leaves them what they have always been, a man made religion that oppesses Christianity and the word of God.

I think the author maybe wrong, as Islam is everyones little darling and Christianty seems like the most hated. But then darkness never attacks its own!

You may think that you are being all loving and tolerant and Christlike, but you are fooling yourself.

They stopped polygamy 125 years ago, yet you still "look down on them" today. Tell me, which psalm is it that says "Blessed are the arrogant?"

Fooled? Cult? Really? Gee, that's not hateful at all. Are their"cult like" works their strong belief in charity, giving to the poor, and helping anyone who needs help?

Not being Orthodox, i.e. not following the works of men instead of the bible, does not make them non-Christian. Not believing in Christ would make them non-Christian. Let's see "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints." Nope, no Christ in that one!

They follow the King James Version of the New Testament for their belief in Christ. They add some of their own relevations and interpretations to that, but I fail to see how that is any different than "orthodox" religions that follow the creations of men like the catechism, Nicocene Creed, or your favorite prophet Jack Chick. I know, you'll claim that all of these are the inspired works of God, but since that's what they claim one of you is wrong. Maybe you're in the cult?

As for Christianity being most hated, it appears that you have never been the object of hatred before, or you would know that the speedbumps that Christianity is fighting now have no comparison to the absolute hatred that people like you have toward anything different than your own misguided beliefs.
 
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MMDad

Lem Putt
Christianity the most hated? Seriously?

Other than vocal athiests who seem to have a major woody for Christians (though they would deny it, or claim distaste for all religions equally) I can't say that I've ever felt HATED (because of my Christianity) by anyone. And avoiding "persecution" (if it can be called that) is quite easy to do, if you really have a mind to.

:yay: "Persecution" to her is this constant nibbling by atheists, compared to the vile hatred so many spew against other religions. That's like saying "that Mormon only got mauled by one Pit Bull. I was attacked by two Yorkies, and their teeth almost penetrated my sock before I punted them!"

My ancestors faced real persecution. Their churches and temples were burned. Their leaders were assasinated. They were chased from their homes by mobs, losing everything they couldn't carry. They were hated solely for their beliefs, and those beliefs were used to justify murder, theft, arson, and assault by those like Marie.

Persecution is what Christ and the early Christians faced. Marie faces people who say she can't install a shrine in a school, and she feels persecuted. Try being fed to the lions in the colloseum some time.
 

Beta84

They're out to get us
Who says there hated?
They may be looked down upon for defying/breaking the laws of our country. They also may be pitied, for being caught up in a works based CULT that makes a fool out of them.
I dont think anyone hates them. I am not sure what they are being assimilated to, as they are no where near a orthodox or Biblical based Christianity. Which leaves them what they have always been, a man made religion that oppesses Christianity and the word of God.

I think the author maybe wrong, as Islam is everyones little darling and Christianty seems like the most hated. But then darkness never attacks its own!

Are you an illiterate from Somalia or something?
 

This_person

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I'm not. :shrug:

:yay:



Seems there's a likely presidential candidate who is Mormon, and the LDS church is continuing a series of good works in trying to get their message out (like virtually all religions do). I wonder if there's any link between Nonno posting negative thoughts about Mormons, the likely Republican presidential candidate being a Mormon, and the Mormon's influence on Prop 8?

I'll bet there is.
 

Nonno

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:yay:Seems there's a likely presidential candidate who is Mormon, and the LDS church is continuing a series of good works in trying to get their message out (like virtually all religions do). I wonder if there's any link between Nonno posting negative thoughts about Mormons, the likely Republican presidential candidate being a Mormon, and the Mormon's influence on Prop 8?I'll bet there is.

You would lose that bet.
 

shorti

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They follow the King James Version of the New Testament for their belief in Christ. They add some of their own relevations and interpretations to that, but I fail to see how that is any different than "orthodox" religions that follow the creations of men like the catechism, Nicocene Creed, or your favorite prophet Jack Chick. I know, you'll claim that all of these are the inspired works of God, but since that's what they claim one of you is wrong. Maybe you're in the cult?

The bold part is considered "straying"... the Bible specifically states you are not to add to or take away from - ANY "religion" that does that - is wrong... He is enough - Christ crucified & resurrected. If you claim to be Christian & then that should be enough for you as well...

why do you need anything more? Why is there a need for a Joseph Smith or the others? Didn't Christ do enough already?
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
The bold part is considered "straying"... the Bible specifically states you are not to add to or take away from - ANY "religion" that does that - is wrong... He is enough - Christ crucified & resurrected. If you claim to be Christian & then that should be enough for you as well...

why do you need anything more? Why is there a need for a Joseph Smith or the others? Didn't Christ do enough already?

So there's no need for the Pope? Guess the Catholics aren't Christians by your definition.

No need for the Nicene Creed? Looks like the Catholics, Lutherans, and Protestants aren't Christians either.

No need for the Catechism?

So, by your definition, those who use only the Bible and do not listen to anyone else or read anything else are the only Christians?

By the way, I am not Mormon, so don't try to convince me not to be. I am merely pointing out the complete hypocrisy of those who say that Mormons are not Christians.
 

Marie

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I have found that Mormons strive to be a clean living, family oriented, law abiding group with acts of kindness that put many other "religious" people to shame. (I studied with Mormon missionaries and almost became Mormon)

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Law abiding?
Isn't having more than one wife still illegal?:shrug:
 

Starman3000m

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I have found that Mormons strive to be a clean living, family oriented, law abiding group with acts of kindness that put many other "religious" people to shame. (I studied with Mormon missionaries and almost became Mormon)

Law abiding?
Isn't having more than one wife still illegal?:shrug:

LOL

Sorry, Marie, I really wasn't referring to the Mormons who practice polygamy but to the ones that I knew who had only one wife (at least that I was aware of)

But, yes, you are correct in that area - they would be breaking U.S. civil law if they are practicing polygamy. I was wrong - not all are "law abiding" afterall.

You are probably aware that Utah would not have been admitted as a state into the Union if they hadn't changed their stand on polygamy and declared it illegal. However there are groups that practice it anyway.
 
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Starman3000m

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... By the way, I am not Mormon, so don't try to convince me not to be. I am merely pointing out the complete hypocrisy of those who say that Mormons are not Christians.

Mormons believe in another Jesus; not the Jesus described in the New Testament. If you read the Mormon version of Jesus and compare it to what the New Testament teaches about Jesus you will find that they are not the same individual.

As far as the Vatican: It is not scriptural, according to the context of New Testament teachings, for the RCC to declare papal authority has exclusive authorization to dispense the "True Gospel" of Jesus Christ. Again, if you compare RCC theology to the New Testament, you will find that the RCC Jesus has a co-mediator (Mary) in the Salvation and Redemption process while the New Testament declares that Jesus is the sole mediator between God and mankind.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5)

Neither the pope, bishops, priests, nor Mary are able to intercede on behalf of anyone. All must go directly through Jesus and not a round-about way to receive His Forgiveness!

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved,... (John 10:9)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

Jesus Is The Only One Who Can Forgive - He's The One Who Gave His Life as an Atonement - the others did not.
 
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Marie

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You may think that you are being all loving and tolerant and Christlike, but you are fooling yourself.
They stopped polygamy 125 years ago, yet you still "look down on them" today.

Dude, thank you for your opinion. I don't think that highly of myself, and in all honesty I don't care what you think of me either!
You come across as a bear with a sore butt and a bully and that hasn't changed a bit in two years, you maybe the foremost authority in Southern Md on arrogance, but your comments show your ignorance, as there are plenty of Mormon families that still have more than one wife.


Fooled? Cult? Really? Gee, that's not hateful at all. Are their"cult like" works their strong belief in charity, giving to the poor, and helping anyone who needs help?

A cult is a perversion, a distortion of biblical Christianity and/or a rejection of the historic teachings of the Christian church. The Apostle Paul warned there would be false Christs and a false gospel that would attempt to deceive the true church and the world.

For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. . . for such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ and no wonder for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their deeds (2 Corinthians 11: 13‑15 NASB).

A cult, then, is a group of people polarized around someone's interpretation of the Bible and is characterized by major deviations from orthodox Christianity relative to the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith, particularly the fact that God became man in Jesus Christ (Walter Martin, The Rise of the Cults, p. 12).
Calling a spade a spade is not hateful, and I certainly wouldn't want to see anyone else get sucked into their works based righteousness. Trying to earn their way to heaven, which typically becomes so great a burden that although its very appealing at first for man to say he had some part in his salvation, it quickly becomes an unbearable burden that leaves them bitter and hatting religion. Christianity is not based on a social Gospel! The works that real Christians do are based out of thanksgiving and wanting to serve their Lord they have been freed from the burden of the law and sin and cant wait to tell others. Not putting a check in the box because the church tells them need to!
I know two ex Mormon priest that started out in the RCC ended up with the Mormons, both want nothing to do with church now and want nothing to do with God. Also they are a cult and use cult strategies on newbies love bombing and the hole nine yards. Just because the outside of the cup is clean and appealing the reasons behind them are dirty and evil!

Not being Orthodox, i.e. not following the works of men instead of the bible, does not make them non-Christian. Not believing in Christ would make them non-Christian. Let's see "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints." Nope, no Christ in that one!.

That must be a homegrown definition of Orthodox. Orthodox Christianity embraces one God in three persons The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. That Jesus Christ was fully God and fully Man. That he was crucified died and buried that and that on the third day he was risen from the dead, that he is seated at the right hand of the father and will come again to judge the living and the dead.That Salvation is by repentance and faith and is solely an act of God. Want to see a old testament picture of Salvation read Exodus 12 Yes the Apostles creed pretty much, sums up what Orthodox Christianity its what the universal church has declared to be Christian for over 2000 years.
There Jesus is like that of Islam or the JW's its not God in human flesh in fact its a created being the brother of the Satan. Joseph smith was a false teacher, former Presbyterian pastor, pedaling old heresies and repacked them. Truth be told he was a nut case!
In Mormonism Jesus is not the unique Son of God!


<DIR><SUP>13</SUP>And Moses said to the people,<SUP class=xref value='(A)'>(A)</SUP> "Fear not, stand firm, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will work for you today. For<SUP class=xref value='(B)'>(B)</SUP> the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall never see again

It still works that way today righteousness is imputed not infused, God does all the work and its for Gods glory, its not shared with man!

<SUP id=en-ESV-1908 class=versenum>18</SUP>And the Egyptians<SUP class=xref value='(A)'>(A)</SUP> shall know that I am the LORD,<SUP class=xref value='(B)'>(B)</SUP> when I have gotten glory over Pharaoh, his chariots, and his horsemen."

</DIR>Mormonism is not Christian, just because you use the name doesn't mean you are. Perhaps you would liked to be schooled on some of there wacko beliefs? They believe in a different God, and a different Jesus and although they are ripping off some of the same evangelical lingo now to appear Christian, the verbiage means something totally different to them. If the meaning is different it doesn't mean the same thing.

They follow the King James Version of the New Testament for their belief in Christ. They add some of their own revelations and interpretations to that, but I fail to see how that is any different than "orthodox" religions that follow the creations of men like the catechism, Nicene Creed, or your favorite prophet Jack Chick. I know, you'll claim that all of these are the inspired works of God, but since that's what they claim one of you is wrong. Maybe you're in the cult?
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Actually your wrong again, The use the book of Mormon As there primary text of which they lifted parts of the KJ version to create, but they also get there doctrine from the Pearl of Great Price and the Doctrine of the covenants yes they use the KJ but not as there scriptural authority but as a supplement to their false doctrine. Do you, really want to talk Mormonism? It might be very educational for you and even to bizarre for you to consider.

Dude you seriously need a new crystal ball, I was given a case of Jack Chick tracts and wouldn't even use them. Not that what he says about the Church of Rome or Islam isn't true, but if I was talking to a Catholic that was interested in the truth, I am not going to offend them, his tracts are offensive. Key words interested in the truth!
First off nothing but the word of God is inspired! And I go to it, first not to the Westminster confession of faith to validate bad Presbyterian doctrine that is not in scripture. Is a good document by its self but not before scripture. There are a lot of good Creeds some better than other but NONE are inspired!!!!! My beliefs stem from the word of God, the Bible for clarification and are based on a grammatical and historical interpretation, not allegory, not by the interpretation of self proclaimed popes that have no more insight into the word of God than anyone else. I take most of the Bible very literal except were we no its symbolic or poetry and not to be read that way. I may be fallen jacked up and get torqued by people that have a way of pushing my buttons at times I also have the holy spirit testifying to the truth of Gods word as well as Pastors and other believers so I don't go off the deep end and start preaching what I dreamed or hear or see angels like Joseph Smith. In fact scripture says that it complete and that even if angels come to you with another Gospel don't believe them as its not from God. Joseph Smith didn't listen to the Bible. Smith claimed he had the one true church and others were false yet when he died the wanted his grandson to take over and the church appointed Brigham Young instead, so the one true church split, so which false church is the right one? By the way Young's prophetic insights didn't agree with Smiths, and Young's sissier didn't agree with Smith or young fully. So you got three prophets that are told contrary things. The God of the Bible is not the author of confusion nor does he change his mind. Satan on the other hand....
 
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