Third-Most-Hated Religious Group in America

[Marie]

As for Christianity being most hated, it appears that you have never been the object of hatred before, or you would know that the speed bumps that Christianity is fighting now have no comparison to the absolute hatred that people like you have toward anything different than your own misguided beliefs.

Christ said Remember the word that I said to you: "A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours." Islam is killing Christians, Hindus are killing Christians, North Korea is killing Christians, Secular Humanist hate Christians and are trying to erase him from our country. Communism all over is persecuting and killing Christians. Just because Fox News doesn't show it doesn't mean its not happening. I never said I was being persecuted I said that Christians are largely hated. Trying to keep someone from going to Hell or sharing the truth with them is the most loving thing you can do. To know the truth and to keep it to yourself and disobey my Lords command would not only be wrong but really selfish. You might not like they way I look, the way I say things, the fact that I don't have perfect spelling, or that I don't let someone treat me like a door mat or take crap from and arrogant bully. Thats not hate though Christ called the Pharisee's out in the sermon on the mount and he called them whitewashed tombs meaning the looked good on the outside but wreaked on on the inside. John the Baptist called them a brood of vipers. So I think I can call someone an arrogant bully if they come across that way time after time and I think I can call a know cult, not my opinion a cult.

Merry Christmas MMDad

 

[Marie]

So there's no need for the Pope? Guess the Catholics aren't Christians by your definition..

Out of the mouth of babes! There maybe some in the RCC church, but if they are, I don't see how they could stay there an practice things that are against Gods word and stay there. Unless they don't know Gods word.

So, by your definition, those who use only the Bible and do not listen to anyone else or read anything else are the only Christians?.

Common quit playing dumb, you know better than that! The point was the word of God is authoritative and nothing else! Other sources and books can be used for study but they need to be in line with scripture.
Were called to be good Boreens and search the scriptures to see if what is being proclaimed is true.

You can rank yourself under a pastors authority for your spiritural care and feeding and be held accountable by him, but he dosent take authority over scripture, nor define it in a way other than the language suggest in context, but ranks himself under it.

 

[MMDad]

Law abiding?
Isn't having more than one wife still illegal?:shrug:

You really shouldn't get your facts from TV shows. Polygamy was banned in the Mormon church over 100 years ago. Anyone who enters into polygamy faces excommunication.

 

[MMDad]

Mormons believe in another Jesus; not the Jesus described in the New Testament. If you read the Mormon version of Jesus and compare it to what the New Testament teaches about Jesus you will find that they are not the same individual.

Okay.... So, if I read the Mormon version of Jesus in the King James version of the New Testament, then according to you that isn't the same Jesus that's in the New Testament.

Do you make sense to yourself?

 

[MMDad]

Out of the mouth of babes! There maybe some in the RCC church, but if they are, I don't see how they could stay there an practice things that are against Gods word and stay there. Unless they don't know Gods word.




Common quit playing dumb, you know better than that! The point was the word of God is authoritative and nothing else! Other sources and books can be used for study but they need to be in line with scripture.
Were called to be good Boreens and search the scriptures to see if what is being proclaimed is true.

You can rank yourself under a pastors authority for your spiritural care and feeding and be held accountable by him, but he dosent take authority over scripture, nor define it in a way other than the language suggest in context, but ranks himself under it.

So by your definition, Catholics are not Christians. Just you and Starman? Or does anyone else get to join your little club?

 

[MMDad]

Dude, thank you for your opinion. I don't think that highly of myself, and in all honesty I don't care what you think of me either!

You don't think highly of yourself, yet you "look down" on Mormons. So, where does that put them in your book?

Actually your wrong again, The use the book of Mormon As there primary text of which they lifted parts of the KJ version to create, but they also get there doctrine from the Pearl of Great Price and the Doctrine of the covenants yes they use the KJ but not as there scriptural authority but as a supplement to their false doctrine. Do you, really want to talk Mormonism? It might be very educational for you and even to bizarre for you to consider.

You are so lost. You are fooling yourself if you think that you know anything about Mormonism. The only thing I could learn from you is hatred, and there's enough of that in the world without learning anything from you.

The fact is that you have no knowledge of Mormonism, yet you think that you can teach me about it. Yes, you are an extremely arrogant person.

Let's start with your initial premise. They did not "lift parts" of the New Testament. They believe in the New Testament as is. They also believe some other things, just like you believe what others tell you that Mormons believe instead of finding out for yourself.

 

[Starman3000m]

Okay.... So, if I read the Mormon version of Jesus in the King James version of the New Testament, then according to you that isn't the same Jesus that's in the New Testament.

Do you make sense to yourself?

The Mormon Jesus is Not the Jesus of The New Testament. It's how Joseph Smith described Jesus which forms the wrong information in Mormon theology:

Here are some examples:

Mormon Jesus was not born of a virgin:
In a sermon dated July 8, 1860, Brigham Young stated his position: "The birth of the Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood – was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, p. 115)

Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie described the act that took place between God the Father and Mary in similar terms: "Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers." (Mormon Doctrine, 1979 edition, p. 547)

The Mormon Jesus had many wives:
Mormon Apostle Orson Hyde publicly stated that, "...Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 210)

The Atoning Blood of the Mormon Jesus is not enough to cleanse the sins of mankind:

On another occasion, Brigham Young claimed, "There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247)

Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers:
The fear of blasphemy, however, did not seem to affect Brigham Young. In his discourse of October 30, 1870, Young says, "'Who will redeem the earth, who will go forth and make the sacrifice for the earth and all things it contains?' The eldest son said: 'Here am I;' but he did not say 'send me.' But the second one, which was 'Lucifer, son of the morning,' said, 'Lord, here am I, send me, I will redeem every son and daughter of Adam and Eve that lives on the earth, '" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 282)

Milton R. Hunter confirms this doctrine: "The appointment of Jesus to be Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer,...this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (The Gospel Through the Ages, 1945, p. 15)


Mormon Jesus by Sword of the Spirit Apologetics


CONCLUSION (sent to me by a good friend)
"The characteristics, the attributes, the history, and the redemptive work of the 'jesus' you choose must be in accord with the Jesus of the Bible or you have chosen the wrong 'jesus.' The true Jesus is the One whose physical death, alone, upon the cross, fully atoned for the sins of mankind. Choose this Jesus and you have chosen THE Saviour, you have chosen God. Choose any other, however much he might resemble the true Jesus, and you have chosen a satanic counterfeit who will lead you to an eternal hell."

(Moreno Dal Bello, WHICH JESUS?, Global Good News, Global Good News looks at life)

Are Mormons Christians According to Jesus Christ?

Mormons insist they are Christians but just not by our definition. They say they believe in Jesus and the very name of their church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. However, if they believe in Jesus, they would certainly believe in what Jesus Christ taught. Did Jesus teach the following in the Bible:
1. The plurality of Gods
2. The baptism for the dead done in holy temples
3. Celestial marriage which no unworthy member or outsider can attend
4. Polygamy needed to become a God
5. Blacks were cursed with a black skin
6. You can become a God if you are worthy; celestial marriage required
7. We were all pre-existent spirits
8. God has a body of flesh and bones
9. We have a Heavenly Mother
10. There are three levels of heaven. To go to the highest kingdom, you must be a Mormon. Honorable persons go to the Terrestrial kingdom. The dishonest, liars, sorcerers, adulterers and whoremongers go to the Telestial kingdom .
11. God and his wife achieved a celestial marriage
12. Heavenly Father died just like Jesus
13. God was once just like us
14. God has a father and His Father has a Father, etc.
15. Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers
16. Jesus and Lucifer each had a plan to people the earth. Jesus' plan was chosen and caused Lucifer to rebel and he and the angels that followed him were cast out of heaven.
17. God lives near a star called Kolob
18. Temple endowments are so sacred that you must be worthy to enter
19. The gates of hell will prevail against the church and I will not be able to keep it together
20. In the future, you will need a living prophet's (Joseph Smith) consent to enter the celestial kingdom
21. Not everything you'll need to know concerning salvation will be recorded in the Bible but there will be additional light.
It is not because Mormons don't agree with our definition of Christianity. It's because they teach doctrines that Jesus never taught. Their church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Our church is the church of Jesus Christ of the Bible. The Jesus of the Latter-day Saints cannot save because he does not exist!
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[MMDad]

Christ said Remember the word that I said to you: "A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours." Islam is killing Christians, Hindus are killing Christians, North Korea is killing Christians, Secular Humanist hate Christians and are trying to erase him from our country. Communism all over is persecuting and killing Christians. Just because Fox News doesn't show it doesn't mean its not happening. I never said I was being persecuted I said that Christians are largely hated. Trying to keep someone from going to Hell or sharing the truth with them is the most loving thing you can do. To know the truth and to keep it to yourself and disobey my Lords command would not only be wrong but really selfish. You might not like they way I look, the way I say things, the fact that I don't have perfect spelling, or that I don't let someone treat me like a door mat or take crap from and arrogant bully. Thats not hate though Christ called the Pharisee's out in the sermon on the mount and he called them whitewashed tombs meaning the looked good on the outside but wreaked on on the inside. John the Baptist called them a brood of vipers. So I think I can call someone an arrogant bully if they come across that way time after time and I think I can call a know cult, not my opinion a cult.

Merry Christmas MMDad

The topic here is "Third-Most-Hated Religious Group in America." Try to keep up.

Saying that Christianity is the most hated religion in America because North Korea is killing Christians doesn't help your case.

So, tell me, why are you celebrating Christmas? You must know that Christ was not born on December 25. There's nothing in the Bible to say he was born on December 25. Yet you are celebrating anyway. Are you just blindly following mankind instead of following the Bible?

 

[Marie]

The topic here is "Third-Most-Hated Religious Group in America." Try to keep up.

So, tell me, why are you celebrating Christmas? You must know that Christ was not born on December 25. There's nothing in the Bible to say he was born on December 25. Yet you are celebrating anyway. Are you just blindly following mankind instead of following the Bible?

The eventual choice of December 25, made perhaps as early as 273, reflects a convergence of Origen's concern about pagan gods and the church's identification of God's son with the celestial sun. December 25 already hosted two other related festivals: natalis solis invicti (the Roman "birth of the unconquered sun"), and the birthday of Mithras, the Iranian "Sun of Righteousness" whose worship was popular with Roman soldiers. The winter solstice, another celebration of the sun, fell just a few days earlier. Seeing that pagans were already exalting deities with some parallels to the true deity, church leaders decided to commandeer the date and introduce a new festival.
Western Christians first celebrated Christmas on December 25 in 336, after Emperor Constantine had declared Christianity the empire's favored religion. Eastern churches, however, held on to January 6 as the date for Christ's birth and his baptism. Most easterners eventually adopted December 25, celebrating Christ's birth on the earlier date and his baptism on the latter, but the Armenian church celebrates his birth on January 6.

Yes I was raised in the US, and thats when we celebrate it.
There is nothing in scripture saying its wrong to worship God, I do it everyday. Nor is there anything wrong with spending time with friends or exchanging a gift as long as Christ is the center of it and not materialism. Yes I know Christ was born in a warmer time of year, but we don't know exactly when that was. So any day will do, and I for one would have no problem changing the date to September to celebrate it and to get away from what the world calls Happy Holidays.

"The Begining of the story is wonderful and great, but its the ending of the story thats why we celebrate" Its about the cross! (Go Fish)
Anything else is purely pagan.

 

[MMDad]

The eventual choice of December 25, made perhaps as early as 273, reflects a convergence of Origen's concern about pagan gods and the church's identification of God's son with the celestial sun. December 25 already hosted two other related festivals: natalis solis invicti (the Roman "birth of the unconquered sun"), and the birthday of Mithras, the Iranian "Sun of Righteousness" whose worship was popular with Roman soldiers. The winter solstice, another celebration of the sun, fell just a few days earlier. Seeing that pagans were already exalting deities with some parallels to the true deity, church leaders decided to commandeer the date and introduce a new festival.
Western Christians first celebrated Christmas on December 25 in 336, after Emperor Constantine had declared Christianity the empire's favored religion. Eastern churches, however, held on to January 6 as the date for Christ's birth and his baptism. Most easterners eventually adopted December 25, celebrating Christ's birth on the earlier date and his baptism on the latter, but the Armenian church celebrates his birth on January 6.

Yes I was raised in the US, and thats when we celebrate it.
There is nothing in scripture saying its wrong to worship God, I do it everyday. Nor is there anything wrong with spending time with friends or exchanging a gift as long as Christ is the center of it and not materialism. Yes I know Christ was born in a warmer time of year, but we don't know exactly when that was. So any day will do, and I for one would have no problem changing the date to September to celebrate it and to get away from what the world calls Happy Holidays.

"The Begining of the story is wonderful and great, but its the ending of the story thats why we celebrate" Its about the cross! (Go Fish)
Anything else is purely pagan.

Is this what you believe? Or is it what you were able to look up to cut and paste? Does it come from the Bible? If not, is it Christianity?

You know, your hatred of Mormons is very telling. You say that Mormons aren't hated, then you go to great lengths to insult and degrade them. Your posts, along with Starman, go to great lengths to absolutely prove the hatred of Mormonism by those who follow the Orthodoxy.

Congratulations on embracing your hate.

 

[Marie]

You don't think highly of yourself, yet you "look down" on Mormons. So, where does that put them in your book?.

You say I look down on them, You seem to be saying a lot tonight!
I never did, I see them as lost and I pity them! I wish Christians would be as faithful to evangelism but out of a desire for lost souls not because they are forced to to go to heaven!

You are so lost. ..

Well if I am, I 'll say hi to you in Hell, but I am hopping, and Ill start praying that you will come to know Christ as your Lord and Savior and that you will repent of your sin and put your faith and trust solely for him for your salvation. Who knows, someday you might thank God for this forum and those that were willing to be bold enough to share the truth with you.

You are fooling yourself if you think that you know anything about Mormonism Let's start with your initial premise. They did not "lift parts" of the New Testament. They believe in the New Testament as is. They also believe some other things, just like you believe what others tell you that Mormons believe instead of finding out for yourself.

Joseph Smith made over 600 corrections to its text.
For your information, I have some of there books and I do verify my sources as well as the RCC Catechism and a copy of the JW's new world translation.

This maybe great fun for you and JPC to come in here and tell partial truths or get the last word in or try to cut someone down, but while your engaged in utter foolishness, there are people in here that are going to die and souls at stake, Including yours.

I seriously am going to start praying for you, and I do truly hope you have a nice Christmas. Who knows maybe this year you will receive the greatest gift of all!

 

[Marie]

You really shouldn't get your facts from TV shows. Polygamy was banned in the Mormon church over 100 years ago. Anyone who enters into polygamy faces excommunication.

So why is it still in there Holy Book the doctrines and Covenants section 132?

1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines-
2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter. 3 Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same. 4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

According to them this is direct from God? In Christianity we obey God first than Man and if man doesn't line up with God its a no go!

Actually what I was referring to are Mormons that still obey there own teachings, Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints and whether you change the name and call it plural with three wives or you still have 12 its still polygamy.
Do you have evidence that the church of LDS has banned a plural marriage?

 

[Marie]

Is this what you believe? Or is it what you were able to look up to cut and paste? Does it come from the Bible? If not, is it Christianity?

You know, your hatred of Mormons is very telling. You say that Mormons aren't hated, then you go to great lengths to insult and degrade them. Your posts, along with Starman, go to great lengths to absolutely prove the hatred of Mormonism by those who follow the Orthodoxy.

Congratulations on embracing your hate.

Dude, define hate, exposing a lie is loving. How many people are caught in in this because someone showed them some love, or attention and pulled them in.
Would you want your son or daughter caught up in this! Really? Do you know what cults do in general when they fold someone into them. Yes Mormons are very clean cut religious people all the more reason to love them enough to know the truth so you can reach out to them.

We don't learn about their beliefs to poke fun at them, we learn so we can sit down with them and when they try to reach us, we can show them the error of their beliefs and what the word of God really says.

The point of exposing the lies of their faith or any other in here, is so others that might consider what they say as truth, might know better.

I find it curious, are you this passionate about when we discuss the JW's no doctrine of Satan or false teaching gets a free ride in here.

I find it odd that you want to impose your values on me, your judging me for judging others. When in reality my goal is to show that someone that proffesses to speak for God teaches something totally differnt. I told you I have friends that are RCC some that were Mormons, I love them but I dont lie to them. I dont argue with them over what they believe, but I dont remain silent either as thats not loving. We agree to disagree but at least they have heard the truth.

Why dont you run up to Waldorf in Family Christain and get the DVD "Marks of an Occult" as it talks about them in great detail it only $6.99 by the apologetics group.

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[Silver301]

What is truly funny to me is that you guys are arguing over fiction. You copy and paste your ideas from various sites and pretend like this is some genuinely deep argument, but you have absolutely no idea what happened 2000 or even 500 years ago. You take it all on "faith" and you can't prove any one version of events over another. You can't even argue using "reason" or "logic" because your God can choose to ignore "earthly reasoning" at any time...although that doesn't stop you from trying when you think you can get away with it.

BTW..the most hated "religious" group in America are those who are non-religious. We are just complete party-poopers...how dare we spoil your blissful stupor with "facts" and acceptance of the true ignorance that is simply a fact of life?

Also...Marie....you truly are a discredit to your brand of Christianity. Nobody ever sides with the illiterate. Have fun being in heaven by yourself!



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[MMDad]

You say I look down on them, You seem to be saying a lot tonight!

Look at your first post. You said that you look down on them.

Hate on, dude!

 

[itsbob]

The bold part is considered "straying"... the Bible specifically states you are not to add to or take away from - ANY "religion" that does that - is wrong... He is enough - Christ crucified & resurrected. If you claim to be Christian & then that should be enough for you as well...

why do you need anything more? Why is there a need for a Joseph Smith or the others? Didn't Christ do enough already?

You should read the book of Mormon and you'd realize it doesn't add to the Bible, it just follows a diiferent family lineage then the Bible does.

Again, you don't hate you just judge about something g you don't know about.

The Mormons I know, the ones that "don't make the cut" are better Christians than most other Christians strive to be.

 

[MMDad]

You should read the book of Mormon and you'd realize it doesn't add to the Bible, it just follows a diiferent family lineage then the Bible does.

Again, you don't hate you just judge about something g you don't know about.

The Mormons I know, the ones that "don't make the cut" are better Christians than most other Christians strive to be.

Now now, Bob. Don't get in the way of their hating. It makes them feel so much better about themselves when the spew third hand facts that they know nothing about.

 

[itsbob]

The bold part is considered "straying"... the Bible specifically states you are not to add to or take away from - ANY "religion" that does that - is wrong... He is enough - Christ crucified & resurrected. If you claim to be Christian & then that should be enough for you as well...

why do you need anything more? Why is there a need for a Joseph Smith or the others? Didn't Christ do enough already?

You should read the book of Mormon and you'd realize it doesn't add to the Bible, it just follows a diiferent family lineage then the Bible does.

Again, you don't hate you just judge about something g you don't know about.

The Mormons I know, the ones that "don't make the cut" are better Christians than most other Christians strive to be.

 

[MMDad]

Actually what I was referring to are Mormons that still obey there own teachings, Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints and whether you change the name and call it plural with three wives or you still have 12 its still polygamy.

So you hate the world's 13 Million Mormons because 8,000 freaks call themselves Mormon.

See, I don't think all Christians are haters just because you are a hater. You should try not stereotyping sometime.

 

[itsbob]

MARIE, short of the Westboro Baptists I've never met a more ignorant or hateful "christian". If you really believe than you must know you WILL spend all eternity in hell.