This is what passes for Higher Education.

[hvp05]

... not just leftists but they are far far far left. One of them reccomended Keith Olbermann and Anderson Cooper...

I have one that has shown two Mike Moore movies and refers to him as a "documentarian" exposing the "facts". Beat that.

Oh, and the WTC might - might - have been blown up as part of a corporate conspiracy.

My world will become much brighter after this semester is over.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Mines worse...

I have one that has shown two Mike Moore movies and refers to him as a "documentarian" exposing the "facts". Beat that.

Oh, and the WTC might - might - have been blown up as part of a corporate conspiracy.

My world will become much brighter after this semester is over.

... we had a debate in class when he stated, "So what, we were attacked once. Russia was attacked everyday and they didn't go bezerk everytime they were attacked."



Oh yeah - and the reason we were attacked is because we let Iran invade Iraq.

Now, who's linking 9-11 to Iraq?

 

[bohman]

Lovely. And while they are busy learning this BS, they are not learning how to read, write, calculate, teach or become the business leaders that will employ millions and sustain our economy in the future.

So - the message here is nose to the grindstone, sit down, shut up and work? No room left for exploring social and philosophical issues? No higher thought?

I don't think we need to worry about U of D students not getting a useful education; they have strong biology, chemistry, agriculture and economics programs, amoung others. My brother in law studied Food science & technology, and is well employed with companies that mass-produce food. Hard to get more useful than that.

 

[bohman]

It could actually mean understand, as in learning the issues without having the judgements of the instructors pushed onto the students.

I see diversity training as beneficial if it is truly done for the stated purpose. If it is trying to teach the inner city people that everyone from the country isn't a redneck bumpkin, then it is appropriate to teach the country people that everyone from the city isn't a gang banger.

If the training is truly as one sided and biased as the Worldnet article is making it sound, then yes it is a problem.

I couldn't say it better.

 

[vegmom]

... we had a debate in class when he stated, "So what, we were attacked once. Russia was attacked everyday and they didn't go bezerk everytime they were attacked."



Oh yeah - and the reason we were attacked is because we let Iran invade Iraq.
Now, who's linking 9-11 to Iraq?

Uh, it was the other way around. At least according to friends who were ducking from SCUD attacks during that mess.

 

[Sonsie]

There is actually a documentary out there right now about this problem, it’s called Indoctrinate U. There is a good trailer at the link with a lot of amusing quotes. LINK







.

 

[Plan B]

It could actually mean understand, as in learning the issues without having the judgements of the instructors pushed onto the students.
I see diversity training as beneficial if it is truly done for the stated purpose. If it is trying to teach the inner city people that everyone from the country isn't a redneck bumpkin, then it is appropriate to teach the country people that everyone from the city isn't a gang banger...

Good take.
They'd have a hard time with the latter on this board, however.
Speaking of handouts and an easy life, how about all the Navy and contractor jobs around here? Paying Tobacco farmers not to grow? All that charity to right-wing, confederate So MD came from liberal, intelligent largesse.
It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!

 

[godsbutterfly]

So - the message here is nose to the grindstone, sit down, shut up and work? No room left for exploring social and philosophical issues? No higher thought?

I don't think we need to worry about U of D students not getting a useful education; they have strong biology, chemistry, agriculture and economics programs, amoung others. My brother in law studied Food science & technology, and is well employed with companies that mass-produce food. Hard to get more useful than that.

Hopefully you can still get a decent education in colleges. I am more than a little concerned about some of the school systems I see a lot today though. I was appalled when they told my stepson he only had to have what amounted to a borderline C-(nearly a D) to be on the Drama Team at his Middle School. My stepdaughter handed in English papers with really bad spelling and puctuation on them before I married her father and was getting A's on them! This was here in Maryland. The Standard of Learning Test Scores keep getting lowered so kids can pass (or at least they were doing that in Virginia when I left there) and they had a scandal where it turned out not all of the teachers they random sampled could pass the tests they gave them either (also in Virginia). What kind of future leaders are we going to have if they don't even know the basics of reading, writing, grammar and so on?

 

[Plan B]

We will get as good a future, and leaders, as we are willing to pay for.
No price, tho, can make parents get involved. Much less raise kids willing to learn and work...

 

[This_person]

So - the message here is nose to the grindstone, sit down, shut up and work? No room left for exploring social and philosophical issues? No higher thought?

If you're being forced to agree to a concept of racism (that's not racism, by the way), is that "exploring social and philosophical issues, higher thought"?

 

[bohman]

Lovely. And while they are busy learning this BS, they are not learning how to read, write, calculate, teach or become the business leaders that will employ millions and sustain our economy in the future.

Hopefully you can still get a decent education in colleges. I am more than a little concerned about some of the school systems I see a lot today though. I was appalled when they told my stepson he only had to have what amounted to a borderline C-(nearly a D) to be on the Drama Team at his Middle School. My stepdaughter handed in English papers with really bad spelling and puctuation on them before I married her father and was getting A's on them!

I will admit that some basic skills are getting ignored these days. To some extent, though, colleges fight against this, at least through a student's freshman year. Composition, math, and history classes are all required as a freshman.

 

[bohman]

If you're being forced to agree to a concept of racism (that's not racism, by the way), is that "exploring social and philosophical issues, higher thought"?

A college can't force you to agree to anything. They can only present ideas and information, and the student needs to make up their own mind whether to agree with it or not. A good college encourages independent thought and debate. A student should be free to disagree with policy or curriculum decisions.

If the U of D is actually trying to squelch any dissent and force students into particular attitudes, then yes, there is a big problem and they should be called out on it publicly. I didn't get that impression from reading through the material that MMdad posted, but maybe I'm wrong.

I was a little unclear about the courses mentioned - they were listed as "outside the classroom" type of education; are they just for the R.A.s in order to help them guide the other students, or are these to be taken by all students?

 

[MMDad]

We will get as good a future, and leaders, as we are willing to pay for.
No price, tho, can make parents get involved. Much less raise kids willing to learn and work...

Judging by your posts, there was nothing paid for your education, was there? No parent involvement, and no willingness to learn either.

 

[godsbutterfly]

We will get as good a future, and leaders, as we are willing to pay for.
No price, tho, can make parents get involved. Much less raise kids willing to learn and work...

You're so right. That's why I look at their homework and one of my firm mottos is "I don't reward bad behavior." I'm not a tyrant who demands straight A's. If a C is their best effort we are content with that but we do want their best effort in whatever they do.

 

[This_person]

A college can't force you to agree to anything. They can only present ideas and information, and the student needs to make up their own mind whether to agree with it or not. A good college encourages independent thought and debate. A student should be free to disagree with policy or curriculum decisions.

If the U of D is actually trying to squelch any dissent and force students into particular attitudes, then yes, there is a big problem and they should be called out on it publicly. I didn't get that impression from reading through the material that MMdad posted, but maybe I'm wrong.

I was a little unclear about the courses mentioned - they were listed as "outside the classroom" type of education; are they just for the R.A.s in order to help them guide the other students, or are these to be taken by all students?

A mandatory University of Delaware program requires residence hall students to acknowledge that "all whites are racist" and offers them "treatment" for any incorrect attitudes regarding class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality they might hold upon entering the school, according to a civil rights group. ... The "education" regarding racism is just one of the subjects that students are required to adopt as part of their University of Delaware experience, too, FIRE noted.

Sounds required :shrug:

 

[MMDad]

Sounds required :shrug:

The original article is poorly sourced and does not appear to be an accurate unbiased report of the facts. I have a hard time believing the allegations without a reputable report.

The "facts" in the article seems improbable at best, and approach the unbelieveable. It would be interesting to actually find out what the truth is.

 

[Hessian]

This Marxian policy..

has been implemented in countries that collapse to communism.
Required education classes to stomp out any who would be critical or offer opposite view points.

I suspect that the Liberal establishment is very frustrated with divergent thinking coming from private schools, home schoolers and traditional education. They are perceived as backward, unprogressive, and unsophisticated.

In reality, they are patriotic, better read, higher scoring, and more involved in family & community. NOW THAT is a frightening problem to confront. (Liberals think that these are problems that must be fixed).

 

[This_person]

The original article is poorly sourced and does not appear to be an accurate unbiased report of the facts. I have a hard time believing the allegations without a reputable report.

The "facts" in the article seems improbable at best, and approach the unbelieveable. It would be interesting to actually find out what the truth is.

I certainly don't disagree, but it's as accurate and fair as any report I've read on CNN or MSNBC - just tilted a different way. :lol"

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I certainly don't disagree, but it's as accurate and fair as any report I've read on CNN or MSNBC - just tilted a different way. :lol"

You couldn't resist the cheap shot at MSNBC, could you?

First of all, you're comparing apples to oranges. WorldNetDaily has a long rapsheet of making stories and details up.

Cheney's going to resign

 

[RadioPatrol]

Opps I missed the Original Post



Pt 1 Follow Up
http://forums.somd.com/politics/117...-teaching-all-whites-racists.html#post2460240

Pt 2 Follow up

http://forums.somd.com/politics/117...-teaching-all-whites-racists.html#post2460249


Glen Beck did a good opening story in this tonight .......... replays @ 9 on one of the CNN stations