TLDR; we send weapons to Ukraine, they sell them to terrorist groups
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Hijinx
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A lot of what we are sending are missiles and bombs and other things that are not easily sold on the black market.' If he said half of the small arms we are sending are on the black market it would be more believable to me. I believe Tucker is full of sht a lot of the time.
People always say that, then it typically turns out Tucker was right.
Hijinx
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Small arms. But small arms do not count for half of what is sent.
Reports say yes.
So we are basically paying for drug cartels to invade our border. ****ing Democrats.
Well small arms, Stinger and Javelins are easy to lose off the back of a transport truck
BOP
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So do our allies; mainly France.
PeoplesElbow
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The cartel going to be flying F-16s in no time.
I've been reading about fraud and waste during wars - and the list is - well shocking but not surprising.
From the assistance we gave Russia to what we gave the UK during - and after the war - an astonishing amount was wasted.
If I go back further, in THIS country, there's always been fraud and waste during the wars - usually from things like manufacturers building shoddy materials and passing them off as usable - steel manufacturers making plane parts out of - well - crap. Money sent to build airstrips - that never got made. On and on. Sometimes I'm amazed we ever won any of these wars.
But from looking into investigations sometimes held AFTER the wars - such as Truman did, after WW2 - it's usually down to the SAME DAMNED THING. No oversight or accountability. They get money and we take their word for it. We pay for equipment and assume it isn't made out of the sht they planned to throw away.
Ukraine would appear to be more egregious than most - because it would appear as much as HALF was wasted.
From the assistance we gave Russia to what we gave the UK during - and after the war - an astonishing amount was wasted.
If I go back further, in THIS country, there's always been fraud and waste during the wars - usually from things like manufacturers building shoddy materials and passing them off as usable - steel manufacturers making plane parts out of - well - crap. Money sent to build airstrips - that never got made. On and on. Sometimes I'm amazed we ever won any of these wars.
But from looking into investigations sometimes held AFTER the wars - such as Truman did, after WW2 - it's usually down to the SAME DAMNED THING. No oversight or accountability. They get money and we take their word for it. We pay for equipment and assume it isn't made out of the sht they planned to throw away.
Ukraine would appear to be more egregious than most - because it would appear as much as HALF was wasted.
You know, I am really hoping we WILL begin treating drug cartels like terrorist groups - I would love to see a world where they fear reprisal from US and not the other way around.
PeoplesElbow
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I remember watching a movie in the 80s called Firebirds where we sent Apaches to fight a drug cartel. Let's use the A-10.
I guess, to me - treating them as terrorist groups means - you no longer have to deal with the messy business of capturing them and "bringing them to justice" - putting them in jails and trying them in court. You can just kill them on the battlefield.
I suppose the hardest thing would be - finding out who they are, where they live and when they will be in a given place.
From what I can tell - most cartels have a finite number of "members" - and it's always in the thousands. We've just allowed them to flourish so much it's like Chicago in the 30's - they don't fear the law at all. Time for that to change.
Bare-ya-cuda
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Provincial reconstruction team Iraq 2008. On way to pay locals doing the work. It with cash. One Iraqi trusted to make payment. Took a suitcase with 1 million USD to pay construction workers. Decided to file to Syria with the cool million instead.
Hijinx
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We go to wars in the Middle east, and Afghanistan, we bomb Yemen and Serbia, and yet right across the border we allow the drug cartels to run Mexico.
The never was a war on drugs, just some bureaucrats and diplomats bitching about it.
There is no war on drugs when you bring cartel to court, the hell with courts . War is killing .
Don't try them kill them. The cartels do not try people they kill them. Don't they deserve the same?
The never was a war on drugs, just some bureaucrats and diplomats bitching about it.
There is no war on drugs when you bring cartel to court, the hell with courts . War is killing .
Don't try them kill them. The cartels do not try people they kill them. Don't they deserve the same?
No, but the term "war" is used rather - loosely. Perhaps a better phrase would have been "global campaign against drugs".
It's just one of those words which isn't used the way it ought to be (for example, I hate the colloquial use of the term "theory" which to many means, "baseless conjecture" when it fact, in science, it has the force of proven fact).
Rebranding cartels as terrorist groups - and I don't know that they HAVE - opens the door to - given state permission - totally annihilate compounds where drug lords live. I am utterly in favor of that.
I don't know if reality is at all like what we see on TV, but it seems the idea of "getting the big fish" means, we often waste resources trying to make deals with criminals in order to serve some higher purpose - which rarely materializes. In war, you don't let a thousand troops overrun your base, because you want to kill their commander.
LightRoasted
If I may ...
For your consideration ...
I wonder whatever happened to the 31 M1-A1 Abrams tanks we sent over there.
I wonder whatever happened to the 31 M1-A1 Abrams tanks we sent over there.