To The Candidates.

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

PARENTAL NOTIFICATION
(2) Would you support a bill that would require
parental involvement prior to a minor obtaining
an abortion?
YES _______ NO __ No, police notification.

Then,

Who are the police going to arrest?

The police will investigate if it was a crime or not.

 

[ylexot]

Well it is against the law for most people to impregnate a minor, and so the police would need to learn who the father was so to see if a crime had been committed. Plus notifying the parents (including step parents) is in some cases notifying the perpetrator of the criminal pregnancy. Thus the police would need to notify the parents to see if they knew who impregnated the child and or to see if those parents were accomplices in the crime.

And in many cases with a minor child it is the parents (and or step parents) that bring the minor in and they pay for the abortion so the parents could easily be covering up a crime by getting the child to have an abortion.

Thus the police need to be informed when a minor wants an abortion.

There is no crime. Having children is what God told people to do - be fruitful and mutiply. Calling it a crime is a legal joke and that is a big reason why millions of parents reject the fancy claim.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

Being fruitful and multiplying does not include molesting a minor.

 

[ylexot]

Being fruitful and multiplying does not include molesting a minor.

It did when the Bible was written :shrug:

 

[hvp05]

It did when the Bible was written :shrug:

Yeah, but then it wasn't "molestation", it was normal.

 

[hvp05]

Thus the police need to be informed when a minor wants an abortion.

Your stance here is similar to other issues, because you are focusing on a scenario that is small in the big picture. Even if Jane gets pregnant from a statutory rape incident, the parents should still be informed. So I don't see why the police should be notified instead of the parents. Why not both?

Besides, I would think that, if 20 year old John impregnates 16 year old Jane, most parents would have notified the police long before she would make it to the clinic. Most parents care for their kids like that.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

It did when the Bible was written :shrug:

The Bible does not permit the sex with a minor, and even if some people thinks it does then still in the State of Maryland it is against our law big time and one can get into a lot of trouble for doing such a thing and an abortion is one way of hiding that type of crime.

So I say that even if the parents are there to help the minor child to get an abortion with the parent's full consent then still the police need to be notified anyway to investigate if a crime had been committed or not.

If the parents are not with the minor while the minor is seeking an abortion then after notifying the police first and then the police would notify and question those parents.

So I do say to notify the parents but notify the police first and foremost.

 

[ylexot]

The Bible does not permit the sex with a minor

It never defines what a "minor" is :shrug: If you think about it, why would God have females start ovulating before they should have children. You'd think that God would be able to put that off for a few more years until it coincides with the laws of man.

even if some people thinks it does then still in the State of Maryland it is against our law big time and one can get into a lot of trouble for doing such a thing and an abortion is one way of hiding that type of crime.

Well, it's good to see that you believe in the laws of man when it suits your beliefs.

 

[hvp05]

The Bible does not permit the sex with a minor...

It is highly possible given many ancient customs at the time that Mary's age was likely between 13 and 15 years old at the time of Christ's birth: at that time this was considered a young adults age and was commonly the age range in which most girls was married at.

(Found on wikipedia.)

Since you are such a master of misinterpretation, I suspect you will now add "Biblical Scholar" to your resumé.

 

[Bronwyn]

There are a few facts that you want to keep in mind.
1. Statutory rape in Maryland: If the victim is under 14 , and the person performing the sexual act is at least 4 years older than the victim.
2. Number of pregnant teens in a given year (1999 statistics).
2773 minors were pregnant. 165 of those were 10 to 14 years old.
3. If a girl is 16 or older and she gets pregnant, she is technically emancipated from her parents, and becomes a legal adult.

IMO the police would not be able to respond to the home of every girl that wants an abortion. If all 2773 girls had wanted abortions, only 165 of those fell under statutory rape violations. The other 2608 teens wouldn't.

As far as incest. If a girl doesn't confide in her friends, relatives, teachers, neighbors, etc., what makes you think that she will confide in a police officer that will arrest her parents? Most 10-14 year old girls would be too young to know what will happen.

Of those 165 girls, how many may have kept the baby? How many were pregnant from a boy less than four years older than them, making it not rape...

Anyway, I may not know everything on this topic, but I myself was pregnant at 16 and emancipated from my own parents. I didn't have an abortion, but I just can't see calling the police because a girl under the age of 18 wants to have an abortion. I can see calling parents. Lets just assume that the majority of these girls were not a victim of incest!!

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

There are a few facts that you want to keep in mind.
1. Statutory rape in Maryland: If the victim is under 14 , and the person performing the sexual act is at least 4 years older than the victim.
2. Number of pregnant teens in a given year (1999 statistics).
2773 minors were pregnant. 165 of those were 10 to 14 years old.

I like it when some poster knows what they are talking about. I wonder if B's statistics are nationwide or just for Maryland? So I would say the police need to be called for those 165 minors no matter where they happen to be and whether the parents are already there or not.

3. If a girl is 16 or older and she gets pregnant, she is technically emancipated from her parents, and becomes a legal adult.

Yes, the age of consent is 16 so then it would be wrong to call parents and not the police either, but I would like to give them a 48 hour waiting period because babies and childbirth are a blessed event and maybe the young woman might reconsider and not get the abortion.

IMO the police would not be able to respond to the home of every girl that wants an abortion. If all 2773 girls had wanted abortions, only 165 of those fell under statutory rape violations. The other 2608 teens wouldn't.

So I say the police need to be informed on each of those 165 minors and investigate if a crime was committed. Perhaps we could arrainge some counseling on sex education for the minor too.

As far as incest. If a girl doesn't confide in her friends, relatives, teachers, neighbors, etc., what makes you think that she will confide in a police officer that will arrest her parents? Most 10-14 year old girls would be too young to know what will happen.

I think DNA testing to determine who did it would be a reasonable thing for the police to do.

Of those 165 girls, how many may have kept the baby? How many were pregnant from a boy less than four years older than them, making it not rape...

I wish all of them would decide to keep their own God given babies, and it would be great if it is not rape.

Anyway, I may not know everything on this topic, but I myself was pregnant at 16 and emancipated from my own parents. I didn't have an abortion,

I bet that you were blessed with a wonderful child? I wish other young people could act as strong too.

but I just can't see calling the police because a girl under the age of 18 wants to have an abortion.

If the minor is under 16 years then I can see a big reason to call the police.

Lets just assume that the majority of these girls were not a victim of incest!!

I agree to not assume incest but rape and statutory rape is what must be expected.

 

[Bronwyn]

My statistics were for Maryland only.

I do not agree with using abortion as birth control, and yes, my son has blessed my life.

So... If 15 year old Jane gets pregnant by 17 year old boyfriend, Bobby... and she tells her doctor that she doesn't want to keep the baby... He picks up the phone and calls the police to investigate? What can they REALLY do within the law?

Do you remember the girls that were too afraid to tell their parents that they were pregnant, so they hid their pregnancy and left their babies in trash cans, toilets and such? I would imagine that this would increase dramatically if girls knew that police would be involved.

IMO I see that education of our teens is the answer. I myself have spoken to groups of teens about my own experiances during church youth group meetings. I think that birth control should be stressed. I think that parents need to fight through their embarrasment and TALK to their sons and daughters!

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

My statistics were for Maryland only.

I do not agree with using abortion as birth control, and yes, my son has blessed my life.

So... If 15 year old Jane gets pregnant by 17 year old boyfriend, Bobby... and she tells her doctor that she doesn't want to keep the baby... He picks up the phone and calls the police to investigate? What can they REALLY do within the law?

I like the times when the police come to investigate and then they do not arrest anyone because the police find nothing illegal. Perhaps as a side effect it would teach the young ones that they are playing with fire, and that the police are not to be feared when one does nothing criminal. I do not like calling the police but I would hate to think that a minor was being abused and given an abortion only to be sent home to be abused again so the police need to investigate. I would say that the Doctor must see to it that the police are notified.

Do you remember the girls that were too afraid to tell their parents that they were pregnant, so they hid their pregnancy and left their babies in trash cans, toilets and such? I would imagine that this would increase dramatically if girls knew that police would be involved.

In under 16 years old cases the girl is never guilty and never charged with a crime. The girl is always the victim. We really need to work at changing the society perception that babies and childbirth is some thing wrong or negative. Therefore the first thing to teach and to preach is that authority figures such as the police and guidance counselors are not to be feared, and some how teach them that the babies are a blessing from God.

IMO I see that education of our teens is the answer. I myself have spoken to groups of teens about my own experiances during church youth group meetings. I think that birth control should be stressed. I think that parents need to fight through their embarrasment and TALK to their sons and daughters!

I wish that you would have run for election, and there is another election in two years and now is the time to start preparing to run. It is not difficult and the Election Board gives out much free and easy instructions and I would help you too.

We must do more then talk about such things and we need strong leaders first to make big changes. The little that you can do alone or in small groups is just not sufficient. Like President Bush says, we must think big.

 

[hvp05]

It is not difficult and the Election Board gives out much free and easy instructions and I would help you too.

As if killing your own campaign is not bad enough... now you want to afflict others...

 

[residentofcre]

My statistics were for Maryland only.

I do not agree with using abortion as birth control, and yes, my son has blessed my life.

So... If 15 year old Jane gets pregnant by 17 year old boyfriend, Bobby... and she tells her doctor that she doesn't want to keep the baby... He picks up the phone and calls the police to investigate? What can they REALLY do within the law?

Do you remember the girls that were too afraid to tell their parents that they were pregnant, so they hid their pregnancy and left their babies in trash cans, toilets and such? I would imagine that this would increase dramatically if girls knew that police would be involved.

IMO I see that education of our teens is the answer. I myself have spoken to groups of teens about my own experiances during church youth group meetings. I think that birth control should be stressed. I think that parents need to fight through their embarrasment and TALK to their sons and daughters!

Well Said... Very well said...

Sometimes the open discussion between parents and children is the only key to making the proper decisions. When my oldest daughter was 15 she was as bull headed as they come.

I would encourage the police officer to contact a social worker or CPS to counsel the young lady so that she would have time to go over all of her options. Being pregnent when you are a teen is very difficult and scarey....

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Wizard!

Come clean.........are you the one that stole that sheep??

I do not know about any missing sheep, but I did get this peculiar request in my campaign email asking for me as a candidate to give my support to Maryland Senate Bill 983, which calls for the Protection of pet cemetaries.

Click here for the link,

Note that this is a "Special interest group", and for me - I just do not know how to respond to this.

 

[hvp05]

As if killing your own campaign is not bad enough... now you want to afflict others...

To The Candidates. 07-25-2006 11:24 AM Do u think you could do better? get an effing life

There seems to be an infestation of these people lately.

This is really amusing because I can not imagine a worse candidate than JPC. I could do 1,000 better than him if I were in a coma.

So could this guy... and this guy... and even for that matter.

 

[BS Gal]

JPC: Are you using the bathrooms at the library? If so, are you bringing your own t.p. or am I paying for that also?

 

[hvp05]

JPC: Are you using the bathrooms at the library? If so, are you bringing your own t.p. or am I paying for that also?

Don't forget his fake handicap; handling the t.p. must be difficult. So, you are probably also subsidizing a special device so he can "refresh" himself.

 

[BS Gal]

Don't forget his fake handicap; handling the t.p. must be difficult. So, you are probably also subsidizing a special device so he can "refresh" himself.

Thanks so much for that "image."