Toll Booths in DC?

nachomama

All Up In Your Grill
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1130733

WASHINGTON - Some D.C. lawmakers want to study the idea of installing toll booths at the city's borders to collect money from commuters and visitors.
D.C. Council member Marion Barry introduced legislation Tuesday that would create a commission to consider toll locations as well as the traffic and economic impact of such a program. The commission would then publish a report of its findings.

"More than 400,000 nonresidents are on our streets every day, getting police protection, fire protection, causing potholes," Barry said. "We love them, but they ought to pay some money for tearing up our streets."

Barry did not suggest a price for the tolls, saying that would be for the commission to determine. His legislation was co-sponsored by council members Harry Thomas Jr. and Kwame Brown.

Brown said the study is important to calculate how much money the city is losing by not operating toll booths.

"I have friends that drive in from Virginia and say, 'What's wrong with your roads?"' Brown said. "Well, if you pay a quarter, like you would if you go out to Reston, then we'd have the same amenities you have."

Charging commuters is not a new idea. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty has said he would be willing to explore a congestion tax, a daily fee for bringing a car into the city's downtown.

Despite the district's strong economic footing, the city faces a gap of up to $1.2 billion a year between how much revenue it can collect and how much it needs to operate, according to a federal study. The disparity is partly blamed on the city's inability to tax the income of about 480,000 people who work in D.C. but live elsewhere.

Congress explicitly banned a commuter tax, but tolls are perhaps a loophole, supporters of the bill said.

John Townsend, a spokesman for the auto club AAA Mid-Atlantic, warned that Barry's proposal could have unintended consequences, such as causing jobs and people to flee the city.

"The bill will make commutes into the district more painful, more expensive and more stressful," Townsend said. "Overnight, the toll booths would create the worst traffic chokepoints in the region."
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
nachomama said:
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1130733

WASHINGTON - Some D.C. lawmakers want to study the idea of installing toll booths at the city's borders to collect money from commuters and visitors.
D.C. Council member Marion Barry introduced legislation Tuesday that would create a commission to consider toll locations as well as the traffic and economic impact of such a program. The commission would then publish a report of its findings.

"More than 400,000 nonresidents are on our streets every day, getting police protection, fire protection, causing potholes," Barry said. "We love them, but they ought to pay some money for tearing up our streets."

Barry did not suggest a price for the tolls, saying that would be for the commission to determine. His legislation was co-sponsored by council members Harry Thomas Jr. and Kwame Brown.

Brown said the study is important to calculate how much money the city is losing by not operating toll booths.

"I have friends that drive in from Virginia and say, 'What's wrong with your roads?"' Brown said. "Well, if you pay a quarter, like you would if you go out to Reston, then we'd have the same amenities you have."

Charging commuters is not a new idea. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty has said he would be willing to explore a congestion tax, a daily fee for bringing a car into the city's downtown.

Despite the district's strong economic footing, the city faces a gap of up to $1.2 billion a year between how much revenue it can collect and how much it needs to operate, according to a federal study. The disparity is partly blamed on the city's inability to tax the income of about 480,000 people who work in D.C. but live elsewhere.

Congress explicitly banned a commuter tax, but tolls are perhaps a loophole, supporters of the bill said.

John Townsend, a spokesman for the auto club AAA Mid-Atlantic, warned that Barry's proposal could have unintended consequences, such as causing jobs and people to flee the city.

"The bill will make commutes into the district more painful, more expensive and more stressful," Townsend said. "Overnight, the toll booths would create the worst traffic chokepoints in the region."
Is it just me, or does it seem wrong to charge citizens to see thier capital?
 

nachomama

All Up In Your Grill
Bustem' Down said:
Is it just me, or does it seem wrong to charge citizens to see thier capital?

That's kinda how I saw it.

And metro better be prepared to build some more parking spaces at the metro stations. Cuz people would probably ride the train before they'd get tied up in the cluster f*ks that will occur if they install toll booths at all the entrance points into DC. They're going to put out a crapload of money installing toll booths and people to maintain them. Imagine how many they'd have to install!

If politicians had a brain, they'd be dangerous.
 

migtig

aka Mrs. Giant
nachomama said:
That's kinda how I saw it.

And metro better be prepared to build some more parking spaces at the metro stations. Cuz people would probably ride the train before they'd get tied up in the cluster f*ks that will occur if they install toll booths at all the entrance points into DC. They're going to put out a crapload of money installing toll booths and people to maintain them. Imagine how many they'd have to install!

If politicians had a brain, they'd be dangerous.
:yeahthat: And they need to get to work to build a metro stop in St Mary's.
 

DQ2B

Active Member
yeah, great idea on toll booths. That should make my commute a breeze of about 4 hours each way :sarcasm:
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Businesses and government offices would just move out of the city. With the Internet, there is no reason to have to locate in a particular area any way. Our staff is free to telecommute from anywhere there is high speed Internet. We have one in Frederickburg, two in North Carolina with one joining them soon, and a couple of us telecommute from home frequently.

Politician and brain? Isn't that an oxymoron?
 

Booboo3604

Active Member
nachomama said:
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1130733

WASHINGTON - Some D.C. lawmakers want to study the idea of installing toll booths at the city's borders to collect money from commuters and visitors.
D.C. Council member Marion Barry introduced legislation Tuesday that would create a commission to consider toll locations as well as the traffic and economic impact of such a program. The commission would then publish a report of its findings.

"More than 400,000 nonresidents are on our streets every day, getting police protection, fire protection, causing potholes," Barry said. "We love them, but they ought to pay some money for tearing up our streets."

Barry did not suggest a price for the tolls, saying that would be for the commission to determine. His legislation was co-sponsored by council members Harry Thomas Jr. and Kwame Brown.

Brown said the study is important to calculate how much money the city is losing by not operating toll booths.

"I have friends that drive in from Virginia and say, 'What's wrong with your roads?"' Brown said. "Well, if you pay a quarter, like you would if you go out to Reston, then we'd have the same amenities you have."

Charging commuters is not a new idea. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty has said he would be willing to explore a congestion tax, a daily fee for bringing a car into the city's downtown.

Despite the district's strong economic footing, the city faces a gap of up to $1.2 billion a year between how much revenue it can collect and how much it needs to operate, according to a federal study. The disparity is partly blamed on the city's inability to tax the income of about 480,000 people who work in D.C. but live elsewhere.

Congress explicitly banned a commuter tax, but tolls are perhaps a loophole, supporters of the bill said.

John Townsend, a spokesman for the auto club AAA Mid-Atlantic, warned that Barry's proposal could have unintended consequences, such as causing jobs and people to flee the city.

"The bill will make commutes into the district more painful, more expensive and more stressful," Townsend said. "Overnight, the toll booths would create the worst traffic chokepoints in the region."

I just kind of find it ironic he of all people is worried about commuters using police protection and the cost associated with that. How about he keep from getting arrested and the money not used to pay police officers dealing with him can be used for my tolls? :shrug:
 

jenbengen

Watch it
DQ2B said:
yeah, great idea on toll booths. That should make my commute a breeze of about 4 hours each way :sarcasm:


LOL! My thoughts exactly. I'm sure that'll make traffic flow better! So are we going to place toll booths at the entrance to Florida to make non-Florida residents pay for their roads? Crazy solution to the problem, in my opinion.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
I think if DC tries this the FED's will jump all over it.. free and equal access to DC for all of society.. one of the reasons DC isn't a state of part of a state.
 

Dupontster

Would THIS face lie?
I worked in DC for 36 years and it seemed like every year there was talk about a comuter tax and it never appeared....I don't think Congress would let it happen....Barry is an A-hole....
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Dupontster said:
I worked in DC for 36 years and it seemed like every year there was talk about a comuter tax and it never appeared....I don't think Congress would let it happen....Barry is an A-hole....
And he was set up. Just ask him. :lmao:
 

Lenny

Lovin' being Texican
nachomama said:
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=1130733

WASHINGTON - Some D.C. lawmakers want to study the idea of installing toll booths at the city's borders to collect money from commuters and visitors.
D.C. Council member Marion Barry int

"More than 400,000 nonresidents are on our streets every day, getting police protection, fire protection, causing potholes," Barry said. "We love them, but they ought to pay some money for tearing up our streets."


I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. The city has been advertising that "Taxation without representation" was to be their fiscal strategy from the start. It's the city slogan, it's on their license plates and they were placing it on their city flag too.

Some fools thought the D.C. gubment was complaining about their lack of representation in the Congress (as if every member of the CBC wasn't voting for the city).

If the city wants to implement something like this, they will have to forego the 4:1 federal tax support they are getting for construction and repair of the interstate highways that carry all these commuters.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
The DC city government is one of the most wasteful in the world. They already get a huge chunk of change from the federal government just for being there. I don't know of any city that needs to impose a commuter tax for workers - and they've been trying to create this for years. The net result will be a loss of business. It's stupid, and DC will waste this money just as easily.
 

Celts

New Member
Lenny said:
I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. The city has been advertising that "Taxation without representation" was to be their fiscal strategy from the start. It's the city slogan, it's on their license plates and they were placing it on their city flag too.

Some fools thought the D.C. gubment was complaining about their lack of representation in the Congress (as if every member of the CBC wasn't voting for the city).

If the city wants to implement something like this, they will have to forego the 4:1 federal tax support they are getting for construction and repair of the interstate highways that carry all these commuters.


Any idea what % of the residents can actually afford to pay taxes?
Arn't there a lot on welfare?
Do they pay taxes on the welfare money they get?
Just wondering.
 

Kevlar

New Member
SamSpade said:
The DC city government is one of the most wasteful in the world. They already get a huge chunk of change from the federal government just for being there. I don't know of any city that needs to impose a commuter tax for workers - and they've been trying to create this for years. The net result will be a loss of business. It's stupid, and DC will waste this money just as easily.
:yeahthat:
 

pingrr

Well-Known Member
If you work in DC. I would asume you would have to pay some sort of DC tax out of your check. That would more than pay for any services a comuter would use.


D.C. Council member Marion Barry introduced legislation Tuesday that would create a commission to consider toll locations as well as the traffic and economic impact of such a program. The commission would then publish a report of its findings.

I almost missed this part. It sounds like Berry is just making up some nonsense commision to give a bunch of his buddies jobs.
 
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Kevlar

New Member
pingrr said:
If you work in DC. I would asume you would have to pay some sort of DC tax out of your check. That would more than pay for any services a comuter would use.
You'd be wrong, as usual. Why don't you read the article before posting?
 
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