Tom Cruise "interview"...:killingme

[FromTexas]

I think that everything that you have said is brilliant. I am not disbelieving, but I am skeptical of the "labelling" that goes on, since it is so hard to diagnose.

When it is published in a journal, it doesn't mean it is fact. It means it's up for debate and scrutiny.

No, but when you have a wealth of studies that point to biological and psychological similarities that differ from the norm, it becomes a pretty well thought out and more fact than theory. The fact is that is something is going on and has an effect. Is it definitive what exactly the cause is? No, but it is the same as a fish swimming in the ocean. The fish knows it is pulled one way or the other by currents. It has no clue what the currents are or how they work, but there is evidence of the current and the pulling effect is a fact. Whatever the fish would consider why or what the current is would be theory.

 

[ocean733]

No, but when you have a wealth of studies that point to biological and psychological similarities that differ from the norm, it becomes a pretty well thought out and more fact than theory. The fact is that is something is going on and has an effect. Is it definitive what exactly the cause is? No, but it is the same as a fish swimming in the ocean. The fish knows it is pulled one way or the other by currents. It has no clue what the currents are or how they work, but there is evidence of the current and the pulling effect is a fact. Whatever the fish would consider why or what the current is would be theory.

Correlation: Which came first - the chicken or the egg?

If we don't know the cause, we can't be firm in how to treat it (and to consider prescribing medication for children at such a young age)

I have seen so many psychological data/reports. For the most part, it is a matter of perception, rather than scientific evidence. One lazy doctor will agree with the previous report to make his/her day easier (not all, but quite a few of them)

Theory = hypothesis = educated guess.

We are still in the (educated) guessing phase.

And we have seen some difference in brain activation, but there has yet to be a substantial amount of evidence to support the theory.

 

[bresamil]

Like I do you.....

 

[Nickel]

One lazy doctor will agree with the previous report to make his/her day easier (not all, but quite a few of them)

That's where your responsibility as a patient, or parent of a patient comes in. If someone says "Your kid has ADHD", you need to research it, get second opinions, etc, and not take it as gospel. Some children do well when prescribed medicine, and those are probably the children that actually have ADHD. A lot also don't do well on medication, and they were probably misdiagnosed. If someone says you are bi-polar, you need to research it.

 

[ocean733]

That's where your responsibility as a patient, or parent of a patient comes in. If someone says "Your kid has ADHD", you need to research it, get second opinions, etc, and not take it as gospel. Some children do well when prescribed medicine, and those are probably the children that actually have ADHD. A lot also don't do well on medication, and they were probably misdiagnosed. If someone says you are bi-polar, you need to research it.

Amen!

I have seen a lot of parents that will take the diagnosis as fact - and use it as an explanation in social settings, so their uncontrollable child has an excuse for his/her behavior.

The medication in that instance is doing nothing positive (except for temporarily sedating them).

Believe me, I am not saying that this does not exist. I just believe that it is labelled too often when the biological condition does not exist.

 

[FromTexas]

That's where your responsibility as a patient, or parent of a patient comes in. If someone says "Your kid has ADHD", you need to research it, get second opinions, etc, and not take it as gospel. Some children do well when prescribed medicine, and those are probably the children that actually have ADHD. A lot also don't do well on medication, and they were probably misdiagnosed. If someone says you are bi-polar, you need to research it.

Well said Nickel.

As I said before, there is over-medication. I have seen kids do well on vitamin and other therapies when I worked in special education. I have also seen the emotionally disturbed kid on natural therapies and completely out of control due to his inability to cope with his disorder when the parents needed to consider that there isn't a natural way to fix everything. I have seen kids come in to my room who obviously just needed their parents to stop being hands off and be parents. I have also read studies of people who were treated as complete sociopaths who found religion and their psychological behavior had completely normalized.

But, this brings us back to a question Matt brought up in the interview. There is a case for various cures, and as was hinted in the interview, if it works for someone and has improved their way of life, whether placebo or not, is it really wrong? That is the question that needs to be asked. Any person who is prescribed any kind of treatment, as Nickel suggested, should research the pros and cons before persuing it for them or their child. That person then weighs what they are willing to risk to get the improvement in their life IMHO. Will some of us disagree with their actions, like Cruise disagrees with others actions? Sure. Does it make us any more right than them?

 

[Nickel]

That's scientology in a nutshell - I kid you not.

Do you have a link to support that? I'm just curious, I can't seem to find anything similar and I'm interested to read more.



No, I'm not converting.

 

[ocean733]

Well said Nickel.

As I said before, there is over-medication. I have seen kids do well on vitamin and other therapies when I worked in special education. I have also seen the emotionally disturbed kid on natural therapies and completely out of control due to his inability to cope with his disorder when the parents needed to consider that there isn't a natural way to fix everything. I have seen kids come in to my room who obviously just needed their parents to stop being hands off and be parents. I have also read studies of people who were treated as complete sociopaths who found religion and their psychological behavior had completely normalized.

But, this brings us back to a question Matt brought up in the interview. There is a case for various cures, and as was hinted in the interview, if it works for someone and has improved their way of life, whether placebo or not, is it really wrong? That is the question that needs to be asked. Any person who is prescribed any kind of treatment, as Nickel suggested, should research the pros and cons before persuing it for them or their child. That person then weighs what they are willing to risk to get the improvement in their life IMHO. Will some of us disagree with their actions, like Cruise disagrees with others actions? Sure. Does it make us any more right than them?

 

[Bogart]

http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/mbisson/cruise-animated.gif

 

[Tonio]

75 million years ago a galactic ruler named Xemu, in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy (including earth - except back then it was called Teekeeack)...

That's scientology in a nutshell - I kid you not.

I expected that kind of stuff from a religion created by an old-school science fiction writer.

 

[Nickel]

http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/mbisson/cruise-animated.gif

 

[Larry Gude]

Bog...

...that is freeging PRICELESS!!!!!!!

 

[JWB_CWB]

What are those things called women use to clean there no-no area? Starts with a D and ends with a E, yeah that! That is about what I think of him.

 

[Otter]

What are those things called women use to clean there no-no area? Starts with a D and ends with a E, yeah that! That is about what I think of him.

Little Tommy's emotional state is not good right now, I think that comment may make him cry..

 

[Toxick]

Do you have a link to support that? I'm just curious, I can't seem to find anything similar and I'm interested to read more.

I'll have to dig around for it... That information comes from various sources.


The information is not supposed to be easy to come by, either. Within in the Church of Scientology, that information is a closely guarded secret and it is not divulged until after the unwitting dupe has blown thousands and thousands of dollars and has attained the Super Sekret Scientology level known as OTIII. And they are FORBIDDEN from revealing this Super Sekrit information to lower eschelon members of the church and to outsiders.



I'm not sure, but I'd presume that this is the point where most ex-scientologists become apostates.

 

[Toxick]

Here's some good readin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

 

[ylexot]

I was thinking about Scientology some more this weekend (no, I'm not converting either). It occurred to me that Tom mentioned lack of scientific testing, etc. in psychiatry, but part of Scientology is an "E-Meter" (that's what they called it on the site I posted). Maybe he could explain the E-Meter...what it physically measures and how it works.

 

[Bruzilla]

Of course. I also hear of people going to doctors getting diagnosed for things that they surely do not have, getting a prescription, and feeling better.

I think you just validated Cruise's whole argument with that statement. A person has an issue that they're having a problem dealing with. Rather than confronting their problem and eliminating the cause of their pain, they go to a doctor and get drugged. The cause of the problem is still there, it'll still be there when they quit using the drugs, and of course the person will feel better as the drugs are now controlling their behavior. All that's been done is that a doctor is using chemicals to make them care less about what it is that's bothering them, and for most people that's a whole lot easier than confronting the real issue. The doctor isn't sitting down with the patient, getting to the core problems, and helping the person to change whatever in their life is going wrong. Instead they diagnose the person as being clinically depressed and hand them the don't worry be happy pills.

I think that pretty much sums up Cruise's point.

 

[Toxick]

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/

 

[ylexot]

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/

Thanks for the site Tox...

Kinky things to do with your old Mark V E-meter