Too many DUIs?

NewsJunky

Member
OK.... so I know of this guy who has had multiple DUIs (over 5) and is still driving his car, going to work. His latest DUI was recently and hasn't gone to court yet because he keeps delaying the court date. When does the St. Mary's court system finally say "enough" and let him do some jail time? When is he no longer able to obtain a driver's license? Does it take someone getting killed to get him off the streets around here?
 
OK.... so I know of this guy who has had multiple DUIs (over 5) and is still driving his car, going to work. His latest DUI was recently and hasn't gone to court yet because he keeps delaying the court date. When does the St. Mary's court system finally say "enough" and let him do some jail time? When is he no longer able to obtain a driver's license? Does it take someone getting killed to get him off the streets around here?

I think I know who you are talking about. :lol:
 

daylily

no longer CalvertNewbie
OK.... so I know of this guy who has had multiple DUIs (over 5) and is still driving his car, going to work. His latest DUI was recently and hasn't gone to court yet because he keeps delaying the court date. When does the St. Mary's court system finally say "enough" and let him do some jail time? When is he no longer able to obtain a driver's license? Does it take someone getting killed to get him off the streets around here?

It must really depend on the judge. I know of a few people who have had multiple DUIs in a short time and not spent any time in jail. Then I know of someone else who recently got his first DUI in 13 years (although he had a couple way back then) and had to do a month of rehab up here in Calvert and a month in SMC jail (with work release at both places, at least). There seems to be no consistency.
 

royhobie

hobieflyer
OK.... so I know of this guy who has had multiple DUIs (over 5) and is still driving his car, going to work. His latest DUI was recently and hasn't gone to court yet because he keeps delaying the court date. When does the St. Mary's court system finally say "enough" and let him do some jail time? When is he no longer able to obtain a driver's license? Does it take someone getting killed to get him off the streets around here?

I would hope there is a logical reason for this madness. Nonetheless, I recommend that you contact MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Drivers). The political pressure from this well organized group can have a significant impact in getting this person where he belongs. This isn't the first time I have heard of something like this, and it won't be the last.
 

NewsJunky

Member
It must really depend on the judge. I know of a few people who have had multiple DUIs in a short time and not spent any time in jail. Then I know of someone else who recently got his first DUI in 13 years (although he had a couple way back then) and had to do a month of rehab up here in Calvert and a month in SMC jail (with work release at both places, at least). There seems to be no consistency.

Judge D....
Can he keep requesting that Judge or will he eventually meet a conservative Judge that will give him what he deserves?
 

Roman

Active Member
I would hope there is a logical reason for this madness. Nonetheless, I recommend that you contact MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Drivers). The political pressure from this well organized group can have a significant impact in getting this person where he belongs. This isn't the first time I have heard of something like this, and it won't be the last.
This is off-topick here, but didn't the Founder of MADD get picked up a few years back for DWI?
 

daylily

no longer CalvertNewbie
Judge D....
Can he keep requesting that Judge or will he eventually meet a conservative Judge that will give him what he deserves?

I don't know. It's just crazy how many times someone can pull this crap and not get a proper punishment.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
This is off-topick here, but didn't the Founder of MADD get picked up a few years back for DWI?
Cindy Lightner? I don't think so, though there was the arrest of the former president of the Gainesville, FL chapter, Debra Oberlin, for DUI.
 

NewsJunky

Member
That is not up to the court. MVA makes that decision.

Interesting... I didn't know that. So the court can't tell MVA to revoke the license? Does MVA have a standard policy in which to treat everyone with multiple DUIs the same - everyone would lose their license after so many points/DUI offenses? Anyone know how many DUIs it takes to officially lose a driver's license in Maryland?
 

inkah

Active Member
Cindy Lightner? I don't think so, though there was the arrest of the former president of the Gainesville, FL chapter, Debra Oberlin, for DUI.

No idea who she was but years ago I worked for a residential treatment program. The local dare chapter invited us to a pizza party at nicoletti's. Their chaperons was wasted - as in speech slurred and trouble walking.
 

protectmd

New Member
The question was how many DUI's does it take to revoke a license in Maryland? Well.... an extended answer would be....

When you get a DUI/DWI in Maryland assuming that the paperwork was completed properly DR-15 (advice of rights), DR-15A (order of suspension), etc... it gets mailed off to the MVA.

At some point, if you were given a temporary drivers license, you have the right to request an administrative hearing (and you have to mail away with a filing fee). To get your "license" back while awaiting your court date, you will have a hearing at the MVA in front of an administrative judge. They will decide whether it stays suspended, if you get an interlock, etc. PBT evidence can be presented against you here (unlike criminal court where it cannot be used against you unless your defense attorney drags it out of the officer). A re-examination of the driver could include a vision/hearing test, retest of the driving laws or driving the course again depending on what went on. After a certain number of DUI's the manager of an MVA could ask for a re-examination of the driver if they wanted to, or even a family member could petition the MVA for the re-examination of a driver if they wanted to.

When you get to criminal court, depending on what the individual pleas to, may determine what happens with the license. PBJ's usually go away however if the individual gets another DUI/DWI etc, the previous offense can be brought back up into court. Lets say someone is on their 3rd DUI and keeps getting PBJ, paying their fines etc. If the judge doesn't impose the points on the individuals driving record, the license may not get suspended. There are many factors that go into this, but it usually takes something bad to happen before people like this are exposed. Someone who is on their 5th DUI and kills someone... its 1 news article away from exposing revolving door judges.

Other things to take into account are the jurisdiction where the DUI is charged. Where places like Calvert and Worcester Co might take it serious and order drug/alcohol counseling, interlock for a year, supervised probation, MADD meetings, jail time on the weekends, ordered to abstain from alcohol/drugs, etc, its jurisdictions like DC, PG, MoCo where you have to hope and pray the case was high profile because outside of that they simply don't have the room nor do they care to prosecute traffic offenses. Their numbers show too, as the majority of alcohol related crashes and fatalities tend to rack up easily in these areas, with no relief coming anytime soon. Cops there are often bogged down with violent crime and massive amounts of calls for service too. Lawyers factor in too, for the right price, a good lawyer can mitigate even the worse DUI case against an individual.

Lastly, don't expect DUI laws to get tougher in Maryland anytime soon. Mike Miller (your elected leader) is an excellent DUI lawyer in the off season and so are many other representatives in the state legislature. Now why would they make their jobs as defense attorneys harder you have to ask yourself? And like the one guy said, even if you are found guilty and your license gets suspended or revoked, you can always move to DC and get a new one, you just can't drive in Maryland. DC MVA will give you a license for the right price. Supposidly Maryland MVA in Largo will too, I read an article on the feds investigating people purchasing CDL licenses and MVA employee's giving people drivers licenses for the right prices.
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
. Lets say someone is on their 3rd DUI and keeps getting PBJ, paying their fines etc. If the judge doesn't impose the points on the individuals driving record, the license may not get suspended.
Negative. The judge does not impose the points. The judge merely finds you guilty or not guilty and imposes sentence of PBJ, fines and/or jail.

The MVA imposes the points only if you are found guilty.
 
The question was how many DUI's does it take to revoke a license in Maryland? Well.... an extended answer would be....

When you get a DUI/DWI in Maryland assuming that the paperwork was completed properly DR-15 (advice of rights), DR-15A (order of suspension), etc... it gets mailed off to the MVA.

At some point, if you were given a temporary drivers license, you have the right to request an administrative hearing (and you have to mail away with a filing fee). To get your "license" back while awaiting your court date, you will have a hearing at the MVA in front of an administrative judge. They will decide whether it stays suspended, if you get an interlock, etc. PBT evidence can be presented against you here (unlike criminal court where it cannot be used against you unless your defense attorney drags it out of the officer). A re-examination of the driver could include a vision/hearing test, retest of the driving laws or driving the course again depending on what went on. After a certain number of DUI's the manager of an MVA could ask for a re-examination of the driver if they wanted to, or even a family member could petition the MVA for the re-examination of a driver if they wanted to.

When you get to criminal court, depending on what the individual pleas to, may determine what happens with the license. PBJ's usually go away however if the individual gets another DUI/DWI etc, the previous offense can be brought back up into court. Lets say someone is on their 3rd DUI and keeps getting PBJ, paying their fines etc. If the judge doesn't impose the points on the individuals driving record, the license may not get suspended. There are many factors that go into this, but it usually takes something bad to happen before people like this are exposed. Someone who is on their 5th DUI and kills someone... its 1 news article away from exposing revolving door judges.

Other things to take into account are the jurisdiction where the DUI is charged. Where places like Calvert and Worcester Co might take it serious and order drug/alcohol counseling, interlock for a year, supervised probation, MADD meetings, jail time on the weekends, ordered to abstain from alcohol/drugs, etc, its jurisdictions like DC, PG, MoCo where you have to hope and pray the case was high profile because outside of that they simply don't have the room nor do they care to prosecute traffic offenses. Their numbers show too, as the majority of alcohol related crashes and fatalities tend to rack up easily in these areas, with no relief coming anytime soon. Cops there are often bogged down with violent crime and massive amounts of calls for service too. Lawyers factor in too, for the right price, a good lawyer can mitigate even the worse DUI case against an individual.

Lastly, don't expect DUI laws to get tougher in Maryland anytime soon. Mike Miller (your elected leader) is an excellent DUI lawyer in the off season and so are many other representatives in the state legislature. Now why would they make their jobs as defense attorneys harder you have to ask yourself? And like the one guy said, even if you are found guilty and your license gets suspended or revoked, you can always move to DC and get a new one, you just can't drive in Maryland. DC MVA will give you a license for the right price. Supposidly Maryland MVA in Largo will too, I read an article on the feds investigating people purchasing CDL licenses and MVA employee's giving people drivers licenses for the right prices.

:jameo: Too many words!!! :jameo:
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
setnence / punishment

A lot of it comes down to the judges desecration and other factors.

Someone commented about different jurisdictions taking it more serious than others. It's relative, feel good if you live in SMC or Calvert and not PG or DC.
You don't have the more violent crime they do. Frankly a DIU is less serious to them than a murder and so the judge is going to consider the need to lock up the DIU against the risk.

All it takes is to convince the judge that you have (a) learned your lesson , (b) are seeking treatment and (c) you are a productive member of society and jail could adversely affect that standing. All the words aside, nobody gets rehabbed for anything in jail. For the most part, "residents" of the jail think of themselves as "victims". Does a group of victims get better? No, they just commiserate about how they were screwed.

Court dates get pushed back for a variety of reasons. It's not always the defendants request.
 

NewsJunky

Member
A lot of it comes down to the judges desecration and other factors.

Someone commented about different jurisdictions taking it more serious than others. It's relative, feel good if you live in SMC or Calvert and not PG or DC.
You don't have the more violent crime they do. Frankly a DIU is less serious to them than a murder and so the judge is going to consider the need to lock up the DIU against the risk.

All it takes is to convince the judge that you have (a) learned your lesson , (b) are seeking treatment and (c) you are a productive member of society and jail could adversely affect that standing. All the words aside, nobody gets rehabbed for anything in jail. For the most part, "residents" of the jail think of themselves as "victims". Does a group of victims get better? No, they just commiserate about how they were screwed.

Court dates get pushed back for a variety of reasons. It's not always the defendants request.

I understand... but it only seems fair that at some point, the person getting 5, 6 or 7 DUIs would do some jail time. Obviously after the 4th, 5th, or 6th DUI, he didn't learn his lesson. Maybe rehab and jail time will make this person change before he kills himself and/or someone else.

Also, it shouldn't matter if you're the Governor of Maryland, or someone on welfare..... everyone who gets that many DUIs deserves more than a slap on the wrist.
 

protectmd

New Member
A judge can impose points or choose to not to assess points to an individuals record. Judges can also reverse convictions upon completion of programs etc. I've seen judges even assess points and fines, and upon completion of whatever send the jjudge a letter to get the conviction nolle prossed.

While I agree that getting a handle on DUI incidents in Maryland is a concern, sadly, the only people who fight for it is MADD. I don't think they don't get the support they need due to the fact that they come off as an anti alcohol group.
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
A judge can impose points or choose to not to assess points to an individuals record. Judges can also reverse convictions upon completion of programs etc. I've seen judges even assess points and fines, and upon completion of whatever send the jjudge a letter to get the conviction nolle prossed.

While I agree that getting a handle on DUI incidents in Maryland is a concern, sadly, the only people who fight for it is MADD. I don't think they don't get the support they need due to the fact that they come off as an anti alcohol group.
No matter how many times you post this, it will still be incorrect. The judge and the MVA are two entirely different entities.
 
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