Traffic stop question

[glhs837]

Not me, seen on X. Officer asks for ID. Citizen asks why he was pulled over. Officer says I'll tell you after you show me ID. I know in most states you must produce the ID no matter what, that's not the question.

Can anyone give me a good reason for the office to not only refuse to tell the citizen the offense, but just call back up and arrest the guy.

Keep in mind, the citizens was calm and rational. He just wanted to know what he was pulled over for.

 

[TPD]

It’s all about authority and power IMO

 

[black dog]

It’s all about authority and power IMO

And if he has control of your license, he knows who you are.

 

[vraiblonde]

And if he has control of your license, he knows who you are.

So?

 

[vraiblonde]

Not me, seen on X. Officer asks for ID. Citizen asks why he was pulled over. Officer says I'll tell you after you show me ID. I know in most states you must produce the ID no matter what, that's not the question.

Can anyone give me a good reason for the office to not only refuse to tell the citizen the offense, but just call back up and arrest the guy.

Keep in mind, the citizens was calm and rational. He just wanted to know what he was pulled over for.

To see if he had a valid driver's license in the first place? Might as well get it out of the way, right?

Dunno.

What did the guy get pulled over for?

 

[Rommey]

If it is a legitimate stop, then the officer should have no problem, at a minimum, stating the reason for pulling over the car. Even if the reason is total BS, if the officer can articulate ANY infraction, it makes it a legal stop and the driver would (generally) need to show license, insurance, and registration. But if the officer can't even articulate an infraction, then it is more than likely not a legal stop and the cop's ego probably won't allow for any questioning of their authority, thus an escalation.

 

[NOTSMC]

Maybe the office just got a BOLO for a car meeting that description involved in any number of scenarios, like maybe a kidnapping, robbery, assault, etc. and they're trying to rule that out. I mean if you can imagine the officer saying sir I pulled over because your car meets the description of an individual that just shot a trash can and the cop is right; the driver just might be reaching for his gun for asking.

On the other hand, I watch way too many episodes of Snapped, Family Massacre, Cabin in the Woods (lots of nefarious things happen in cabins in the woods) and various other shows along the same vein. Hell I ever watch their Christmas episodes.

I dated a cop for a little over a year and if I recall correctly, it's because the cop knows who he's addressing. It may just match who he's looking for and that's a safety measure for him. I think he also mentioned that offense, then license in Maryland but most drivers don't know that. I may have even heard it wrong. At any rate, my friend used to tell me, just cooperate no matter how rebellious you're feeling that night, it makes your life easier, my job easier, and if you're really that pissed off, take me to court, that's the correct place to argue your case, not on the side of the road.

I kinda feel for cops. Some of them, probably the majority of them are good guys. I can't imagine approaching a car from the back at night and not knowing what the driver is up to.

Lots of crazies out there.

 

[glhs837]

And if he has control of your license, he knows who you are.

He will get that anyway. As far as I know you are always required to show ID when driving. But in this case, it went from a traffic stop to a violent arrest simply because the guy wanted to know why.

To see if he had a valid driver's license in the first place? Might as well get it out of the way, right?

Dunno.

What did the guy get pulled over for?

Don't know, once the citizen insisted, officer went straight to arrest.

 

[limblips]

Like trying to get lucky with the wife, attitude, attitude, attitude.

If you start with an attitude you will not win.

 

[glhs837]

Maybe the office just got a BOLO for a car meeting that description involved in any number of scenarios, like maybe a kidnapping, robbery, assault, etc. and they're trying to rule that out. I mean if you can imagine the officer saying sir I pulled over because your car meets the description of an individual that just shot a trash can and the cop is right; the driver just might be reaching for his gun for asking.

On the other hand, I watch way too many episodes of Snapped, Family Massacre, Cabin in the Woods (lots of nefarious things happen in cabins in the woods) and various other shows along the same vein. Hell I ever watch their Christmas episodes.

I dated a cop for a little over a year and if I recall correctly, it's because the cop knows who he's addressing. It may just match who he's looking for and that's a safety measure for him. I think he also mentioned that offense, then license in Maryland but most drivers don't know that. I may have even heard it wrong. At any rate, my friend used to tell me, just cooperate no matter how rebellious you're feeling that night, it makes your life easier, my job easier, and if you're really that pissed off, take me to court, that's the correct place to argue your case, not on the side of the road.

I kinda feel for cops. Some of them, probably the majority of them are good guys. I can't imagine approaching a car from the back at night and not knowing what the driver is up to.

Lots of crazies out there.

I thought about that reason. But it seems like if that were the case, and what you really want is the licence to eliminate the person as the suspect, then the best path is to make something up. "Sir, you were weaving in your lane". Since the citizen offered to give his licence once he was told, resistance at that point allows you go high order.

But if he complies and he's violent, you walk back to your car for a minute, then come back and give a verbal warning.

Like trying to get lucky with the wife, attitude, attitude, attitude.

If you start with an attitude you will not win.

So that's what struck me. The guy didn't have an attitude. He simply wanted to know why the officer had pulled him over. Maybe in this officer mind he had one for asking though.

 

[glhs837]

So here's the interaction. Only NOTSMC has articulated a reason for the officer to get all hard about not telling the guy why.

Now, once he knew he was being arrested, he should have just gone, but I'm focused on the "Why not tell him why you pulled him over?"

Was it a fishing expedition?

 

[vraiblonde]

Honestly, I wanted to give that driver a wood shampoo myself. Just give the cop your ****ing license and quit being an ahole. My guess would be he doesn't have a license, and my other guess would be he has warrants. I see the Redditards are in full clip-trigger mode, though.

Every second of that encounter past "Can I see your ID?" could have been avoided. We all know the drill - cop pulls you over he's going to want to see your license and registration. Have it out and ready, even if you have no idea why you're being pulled over.

All these black people get on TV and fret that they have to teach their sons how to respond when confronted by a cop (like white parents don't do the same), yet their sons (and daughters) ignore that advice an awful lot.

 

[NOTSMC]

So here's the interaction. Only NOTSMC has articulated a reason for the officer to get all hard about not telling the guy why.

Now, once he knew he was being arrested, he should have just gone, but I'm focused on the "Why not tell him why you pulled him over?"

Was it a fishing expedition?

Wow. Talk about a mountain being made out of a molehill.

This could have gone so much easier.

Cop: License and Registration please.

Driver: Sure why am I being pulled over as he hands them over.

My take. Two white douche bags butting heads. Neither one willing to give an inch.

 

[Czar]

I show my ID. Let's get this show over with.

I'm amazed by the stupidity of those engaging in criminal activities for a living. If it were me, I'm checking my vehicle front to back, insuring there are no lights out or anything that might get me pulled over. I also obey all traffic laws and do not drive anything flashy. Blend in the background.

 

[NOTSMC]

So here's the interaction. Only NOTSMC has articulated a reason for the officer to get all hard about not telling the guy why.

Now, once he knew he was being arrested, he should have just gone, but I'm focused on the "Why not tell him why you pulled him over?"

Was it a fishing expedition?

You know it might have been in retrospect. The cop could have de-escalated the situation almost immediately by saying nearly anything minor. I wonder though had the driver been told what the cop was thinking would he have handed it over or argued some more. I think both are at fault. Would have loved to know how it ended.

Was that guy black? Not that it matters, it was what everyone was saying and he looked white to me.

 

[glhs837]

Honestly, I wanted to give that driver a wood shampoo myself. Just give the cop your ****ing license and quit being an ahole. My guess would be he doesn't have a license, and my other guess would be he has warrants. I see the Redditards are in full clip-trigger mode, though.

Every second of that encounter past "Can I see your ID?" could have been avoided. We all know the drill - cop pulls you over he's going to want to see your license and registration. Have it out and ready, even if you have no idea why you're being pulled over.

All these black people get on TV and fret that they have to teach their sons how to respond when confronted by a cop (like white parents don't do the same), yet their sons (and daughters) ignore that advice an awful lot.

Is it being an ******* to ask why you are being pulled over? We agree that not handing it over after he said was wasnt going to say was stupid and had only one ending. My point was every second past "What is the issue" could have been avoided by the officer saying "You didn't hit a full stop back there" or literally anything. Why wouldnt the officer tell him? What purpose did it serve?

In bold italics for emphasis, I agree the driver is the one who made it so he had to go to jail. My question is why not tell the guy?

I know here in MD, they always tell you before asking for anything. "I clocked you at X mph". "It appears you have a headlight out". And even though I knoew the less than year old headlights were good, I gave him my stuff and took my written warning. Turns out, he was confused by the Cherokees DRL/headlight setup. The top white lights are DRLs and go out when you signal a turn. The headlights sit way lower in the bumper.

 

[vraiblonde]

Wow. Talk about a mountain being made out of a molehill.

This could have gone so much easier.

Cop: License and Registration please.

Driver: Sure why am I being pulled over as he hands them over.

My take. Two white douche bags butting heads. Neither one willing to give an inch.

Not that we'll ever know, but I'd bet money it's going to turn out that guy didn't have a license, or he had warrants out on him, or it was a stolen car. There's no other reason to escalate like that unless you're just some douche who gets all "I do what I want *snap*!" when a cop pulls you over.

 

[vraiblonde]

Is it being an ******* to ask why you are being pulled over?

This is the correct response:

Driver: Sure why am I being pulled over as he hands them over.

 

[NOTSMC]

Not that we'll ever know, but I'd bet money it's going to turn out that guy didn't have a license, or he had warrants out on him, or it was a stolen car. There's no other reason to escalate like that unless you're just some douche who gets all "I do what I want *snap*!" when a cop pulls you over.

There was a bit more info available on the internet that I was able to find and the guy did have some discrepancies. Headed out to breakfast but I'll post later this afternoon.

Oh and he was black. I didn't hear his voice, I was reading captions and drying my hair at the same time. There was a mugshot in one of the articles I read. ACLU or ASPA something like that filed a complaint on his behalf

 

[Sneakers]

Not that we'll ever know, but I'd bet money it's going to turn out that guy didn't have a license, or he had warrants out on him, or it was a stolen car. There's no other reason to escalate like that unless you're just some douche who gets all "I do what I want *snap*!" when a cop pulls you over.

There's a group of people that feel it's their right to contest a cop or other authoritarian figure, just because. Sovereign Citizens are part of that. "I don't have to do that an you can't make me."