Training your dog..... (my rant - long read)

krazd_kat

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Many times we get applications from younger people/families that are in a position where their life could change (i.e. move suddenly/often) and when we ask what will happen to the dog or cat, their first answer is “my parents will take it”. That answer never sits well with me.

Life changes, sometimes over night. You never know when your health is going to change or the health of someone you love and you are forced to change your living arrangements. No longer is it just you and your immediate family in your home but someone else had to move in. Or you have had to move in with your parents to help care for them. :blahblah:

Suddenly you are homeless for whatever reason (divorce, eviction, foreclosure). Your family says you can come, but your dogs can’t. Your friends give you the same answer. You can’t find an affordable place to rent that will allow your dogs. :shrug:

Too many times are dogs surrendered to shelters or rescues because:
1. as the dog got bigger they could no longer handle it
2. my dog hates other dogs
3. my dog won’t stay in my yard
4. my dog destroys everything
5. my dog knocks down the children
6. my dog is too big to live in such a crowded home
7. my dog might accidentally knock down my frail parents.

Guess what… All those problems are one’s that were under your control, things you could have fixed before they ever started, or if it was an adopted or stray that you decided to keep, these are things that could be fixed with training classes, training books, discipline and consistency. :whistle:

We just took a dog back into rescue (it’s in our contract), this dog was adopted as a puppy, 4 years ago. The adopter’s son went to college and she had to move in with her mother in DC that has a brain tumor. And of course the dogs couldn’t stay there.

I can’t help but believe that: 1) if the dog didn’t jump on everyone it saw (80+ lbs) and walked better on leash, it might have been able to stay or at least have found one of her friends (everyone loved this dog:pete:) that would have been happy to take him for her. Thankfully he has an awesome temperament like all of his siblings appear to have.

As far as adopting him back out, we are lucky in the fact that family members of another siblings adopter fell in love with that dog, came and met him, love him and believe his lack of manners can be fixed. Once their fence is done he will have a home. A home that is willing to work with him and make him a good member of doggie society.:yahoo:

When I first got on my own place and dogs, it wasn’t as important to keep your dog socialized with other dogs, they weren’t taken as many places or welcome many places. These days’ people want to take their dogs shopping, down main street, to day care, to dog parks, it’s more important to keep your dogs socialized than ever before. Now, not all dogs are dog park material, but most dogs (of any breed), can be taught to be dog tolerant, to where if you have to move in with someone else the dogs might at least be able to co-exist with a gate between them, or one in a crate (crate and rotate). :drummer:

Crates…. Most all of our foster dogs are crate trained since most foster homes have multiple dogs. We often get comments that crating is cruel.
I had a lady call me a few years ago, her Great Dane had just ate her iPod and that was it, she was tired of it tearing things up when she wasn’t home. I asked her about crating it… she said it was crate trained, but considered it cruel. I asked her, what’s crueler… giving the dog to a stranger, a dog YOU have loved since it was a puppy, a stranger that is in most likelihood going to crate it while they are at work and a home with multiple dogs (while it’s used to being an only dog) or you can always take it to the local kill shelter…. :cds:

RESCUE - Now if we are lucky we will be able to find YOUR beloved dog “another” new home. Another new environment, new rules, new schedules.

That’s okay, dogs are adaptable and 99.8% of the time they adapt and they love their new home and their new owners. They no longer have the runs from a new food and their new owner finally learned the sign that meant they needed to go outside. Hopefully, the new owner can learn to love the traits this dog brought with them and work thru any issues and it won’t come back to rescue. Remember, this is the dog YOU love and only want the best for.

What’s crueler? Crating it for 7-10 hours a day and spending a relaxed evening with it (because you aren’t yelling at it since it didn’t destroy anything). Or is giving YOUR dog away to live like I mention above crueler? Before I started doing rescue, I chose putting my dogs back into their crates during the day, vice me being so pissed when I walked in and saw the damage. We all hope that eventually the crate can be a thing of the past and for most dogs it can be.

SHELTER - As an “owner surrender” they can be killed before you even leave the parking lot if they need the space or they decide that the dog “you” love really isn’t adoptable. (While we are on this topic, some places say they are NOT kill shelters, be sure to read the small print on the form you sign, not just listen to the nice lady behind the counter, those forms might state on them that you are acknowledging your pet may be sent to a shelter and be euthanized.) If they are busy, don’t worry they might not have time to kill him till tomorrow morning, but that’s okay, he’s still alive and you aren’t being cruel. He’s in a cage (but he’s crate trained) on a cement floor with a towel to lay on, surrounded by other dogs barking and howling. Dog’s are sensitive and I do believe they smell the death that is in that place.

Don’t despair yet, “if” your dog is adoptable, they will stay in that cage for a week, 2 weeks, sometimes longer (depending on how it’s “adjusting” to shelter life). Dogs are adaptable, it’s now learned to live with all the barking, howling, people staring at it and the smell of death. It might even get sick from the stray dogs that come into the shelter and wind up dead because of that. If your dog isn’t adopted through the shelter and rescue didn’t have room, he/she is still going to die.

What was crueler? You using a crate, or your beloved companion going through 2 weeks of hell and then dying anyway? :yikes:

IMHO if that is the only option to you, YOU OWE it to your companion to take him to the vet and have her/him humanely euthanized while you apologize for letting them down.

Most of my personal dogs have always walked in and curled up into an open crate to sleep, as that was their comfortable and safe place. Other reasons to crate train:

1. If your dog ever has to spend time at the vet for surgery, being crated doesn’t cause it more stress, it’s already used to it.
2. If your dog needs to be on rest after a surgical procedure, crates make it so much easier.
3. If you have to evacuate due to natural disaster or man-made, many evacuation shelters are now allowing CRATED dogs.
4. If you had to evacuate and needed a place for your dogs to stay in an emergency, they might be more willing to open their home if they know the dog will go in its crate and not go ballistic.
5. Hotels might be willing to let you stay if your dogs are crated (when we moved here we had 5 dogs, all over 70 lbs, we didn’t have a single hotel turn us down when we guaranteed the dogs would be crated.

I am very thankful that the stray dog (from my other thread) was crate trained. He’s a pretty solid dog and could hurt another dog if he wanted to, plus bringing home strange dogs I always feel better knowing exactly where they are. I set a crate up for him and I’m driving home with him thinking, WTH am I going to do with him while I look for the owner…. He walked in the door, right into the crate sat down and looked at me.:yahoo:

I’m sure there are more reasons for manners & crate training your dog than I listed here, but I honestly believe that a well trained, well mannered, crate trained dog is going to be welcome in more places than a dog that has no manners.

(Sorry for the length, been on my mind since this dog came back!)
 

Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
Crate training doesn't mean you'll have a well behaved dog. It just means they sat in a crate for X amount of time.
 

krazd_kat

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Crate training doesn't mean you'll have a well behaved dog. It just means they sat in a crate for X amount of time.
Wasn't meant to mean it made a well behaved dog, but when you get home and let him/her out then you get to enjoy your time together and work on being able to trust them out of the crate.
 
I've always grown up in a family that has fostered dogs and taken in strays. But now that I've been part of this forum for the last decade I have come to the conclusion that when my two dogs are gone I won't open my home to any more because I cannot guarantee I won't get a brain tumor nor can I guarantee I'll always live somewhere that will allow pets nor can I guarantee I will brush their teeth or feed them forum approved brand dog food. I have learned that all those dogs without homes are better off staying without a home than taking the chance with someone that can't see into the future. :yay:
 

Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
I've always grown up in a family that has fostered dogs and taken in strays. But now that I've been part of this forum for the last decade I have come to the conclusion that when my two dogs are gone I won't open my home to any more because I cannot guarantee I won't get a brain tumor nor can I guarantee I'll always live somewhere that will allow pets nor can I guarantee I will brush their teeth or feed them forum approved brand dog food. I have learned that all those dogs without homes are better off staying without a home than taking the chance with someone that can't see into the future. :yay:

Amen! :buddies:
 

luvmygdaughters

Well-Known Member
:buddies:
I've always grown up in a family that has fostered dogs and taken in strays. But now that I've been part of this forum for the last decade I have come to the conclusion that when my two dogs are gone I won't open my home to any more because I cannot guarantee I won't get a brain tumor nor can I guarantee I'll always live somewhere that will allow pets nor can I guarantee I will brush their teeth or feed them forum approved brand dog food. I have learned that all those dogs without homes are better off staying without a home than taking the chance with someone that can't see into the future. :yay:

I have to agree. Gee, if I'd known what a risk I was taking by adopting our dog Nikki from Tricounty, I would never have done it. I mean, we got her when she was 8 weeks old, she had a wonderful home and was treated like a member of the family, not just by us, but by my granddaughters, daughters, parents and siblings. She was with us and loved for a wonderful 18years. It just scares me to think what could've happened. I mean, I could've gotten sick or my parents or my kids or I could've had to move,(we did, 2 times). Oh the horror of it all. Now I've got Captn. Morgan and I guess I should consider giving her back, you know, just in case...LIFE HAPPENS!
 
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SoMDGirl42

Well-Known Member
I've always grown up in a family that has fostered dogs and taken in strays. But now that I've been part of this forum for the last decade I have come to the conclusion that when my two dogs are gone I won't open my home to any more because I cannot guarantee I won't get a brain tumor nor can I guarantee I'll always live somewhere that will allow pets nor can I guarantee I will brush their teeth or feed them forum approved brand dog food. I have learned that all those dogs without homes are better off staying without a home than taking the chance with someone that can't see into the future. :yay:

Amen

God forbid you end up adopting a dog from the ASPCA and give it a home for 15 years then become the worst dog owner in the world because you won't lose your house to forclosure so you can take it to the vet every week for senior lab work and special tests to keep it alive for another year like me.

The only people that should be animal owners are the ones that should put the animal as their #1 priority before themselves, their kids, their jobs, their homes. :yay:
 

acommondisaster

Active Member
A day doesn't pass when I don't think to myself how lucky we are that Tucker's previous owner realized they didn't have the time or patience or understanding in their home for this little guy and surrendered him. He brings us so much joy; I couldn't have asked for a better companion than this little guy is turning out to be (he's on my lap right now).

While I agree with the OP that people need to put more thought into "let's get a dog" than just "ooh he's cute, lets get him", and people ought to think about the "what ifs", I don't think people should be condemned for realizing they've made a mistake, or having a life situation that necessitates surrendering their dog. And I do agree with the OP that owners need to spend time training their dogs to be functional enjoyable parts of their family. As far as crating goes, dogs like to den, and putting them in a crate satisfies that desire. The howling and crying is more separation anxiety than unhappiness in the crate.

Frankly, I was surprised how quickly we were approved; I'm not complaining, because we are great dog people, who know what we're getting into, but I wondered if, in an attempt to adopt out dogs so they dont go to tri county, do they approve dogs far too easily? It's not a criticism, because I think the HS does a stupendous job, especially considering the funding and the workload - just an observation that I don't have a solution to. (and that quick approval might contribute to the problems mentioned in the OP's post).
 

krazd_kat

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The point was - Life happens - things change. AND just in case it's your life that changes it might be easier for your family and friends to let you stay with them if your dog/dogs are well behaved.

I'm not going to get into the pissing contest some of you ache for.

All I know is "I" love dogs, but this dog and him launching his 80+ pounds at me... IS PISSING ME OFF..... so I'm pretty sure that's why he wasn't welcome anyplace else besides coming back to rescue.

For those of you opting to never have another dog.... it's your life that will be missing that special sparkle.
 

crazykitty

New Member
I do not think the OP was saying you should not have a dog unless you know for sure your life is not going to change or you need to make the dog your #1 priority. I think the OP is just saying people just need to train their dogs cause if you have to give then up for whatever reason, it does make it easier to find them a home. Its easy to adopt puppies. It is harder to adopt an older dog and even harder for an older dog who has no training. It is aggravating when you have people come in and adopt out a puppy and you talk to them until you are blue in the face about crate training and obedience training and then, years later they return the dog and it has no training at all. I understand that sometimes bad things in life happens and then unfortunately some people have to give up their pets. But SOMETIMES people do have ridiculous reasons for returning their pets. When you work in rescue, this can get frustrating and you need to vent. I think this was what the OP was doing and just trying to send out the message for people to PLEASE TRAIN YOUR PETS. :buddies:
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
I do not think the OP was saying you should not have a dog unless you know for sure your life is not going to change or you need to make the dog your #1 priority. I think the OP is just saying people just need to train their dogs cause if you have to give then up for whatever reason, it does make it easier to find them a home. Its easy to adopt puppies. It is harder to adopt an older dog and even harder for an older dog who has no training. It is aggravating when you have people come in and adopt out a puppy and you talk to them until you are blue in the face about crate training and obedience training and then, years later they return the dog and it has no training at all. I understand that sometimes bad things in life happens and then unfortunately some people have to give up their pets. But SOMETIMES people do have ridiculous reasons for returning their pets. When you work in rescue, this can get frustrating and you need to vent. I think this was what the OP was doing and just trying to send out the message for people to PLEASE TRAIN YOUR PETS. :buddies:

well said my friend... .well said!!!!


and I must say I LOVE when people cant control their own dogs!!!! and I love to see them letting their dog walk them... it make me laugh to think this is what they are use to and have to deal with all the time!

There was a time where I could walk all of my dogs at one time and have no issues. (I still could walk MOST of my dogs together with no issues but I will not put my older dog in that mix as he must be walked in a different manner and would not be fair to the other dogs)
 
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