Trump charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States and 3 other charges

StmarysCity79

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Trump along with 5 Coconspirators were charged today with conspiracy to defraud the United States, witness tampering and conspiracy against the rights of citizens, and obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding.


In recently leaked video and testimony it has been shown that Trump and his allies knew he lost and attempted to remain in power through deception and manipulation

  • Conspiracy to defraud the United States applies to Trump's repeated and widespread efforts to spread false claims about the November 2020 election while knowing they were not true and for allegedly attempting to illegally discount legitimate votes all with the goal of overturning the 2020 election, prosecutors claim in the indictment.
  • Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning of Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote's certification in January 2021.
  • Obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators' actual efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress.
  • Conspiracy against rights is a Civil War-era law that applies to Trump and his co-conspirators' alleged attempts to "oppress, threaten and intimidate" people in their right to vote in an election.

 

StmarysCity79

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The emails show that President Trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to tout those numbers, both in court and to the public,” Carter wrote.

Former President Donald Trump signed legal documents challenging the results of the 2020 election that included voter fraud claims he knew to be false, a federal judge said in a ruling Wednesday.


U.S. District Court Judge David Carter in an 18-page opinion ordered the release of those emails between Trump and attorney John Eastman to the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He said those communications cannot be withheld because they include evidence of potential crimes.

Later that month, Eastman warned in a message that Trump had been made aware that “some of the allegations (and evidence proffered by the experts)” in that Georgia filing “has been inaccurate.”

Yet even after the message from Eastman, Trump and his team filed another legal complaint that had “the same inaccurate numbers,” the judge wrote. Trump under oath verified the complaint was true to the best of his knowledge.

Carter wrote that the emails are “sufficiently related to and in furtherance of a conspiracy to defraud the United States.”
 

StmarysCity79

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Hate to bust your chubby but All those charges will be very hard to get a conviction on

At least 6 of his former aides, lawyers, chiefs of staff and even the VP have all said publicly that Trump knew the election was not stolen and tried to use the fake elector scheme and political violence to start an insurrection.


Imagine what they have testified to under oath for the grand jury if that is what they are willing to say publicly. He also already has a judgement against him for the same crimes along with John Eastman

None of these charges will be hard to proven given the general public can see it clearly.
 

Bare-ya-cuda

Well-Known Member
At least 6 of his former aides, lawyers, chiefs of staff and even the VP have all said publicly that Trump knew the election was not stolen and tried to use the fake elector scheme and political violence to start an insurrection.


Imagine what they have testified to under oath for the grand jury if that is what they are willing to say publicly. He also already has a judgement against him for the same crimes along with John Eastman

None of these charges will be hard to proven given the general public can see it clearly.
I’ll stick around and watch you be disappointed once again.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
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GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Turley on Trump: "This Is A Free Speech-Killing Indictment," Dems Are Reaching The Line With The American Public



Jack Smith’s Jan 6. Indictments Are An Attack On Political Speech



Yet Special Counsel Jack Smith’s indictments over Jan. 6 read like a political oppo document cobbled together by some partisan House staffers who perfunctorily tacked on the last-minute novel legal reasoning.

Though numerous commentators who have an aversion to Trump have pointed out the weakness of the indictments, it’s quite telling how little media-approved historians and legal “experts” even bother defending the underlying legal case. Trump is evil, a threat to “democracy,” and really what else is there to discuss? In the Trump-addled politics of our age, it is virtually impossible for either side to compartmentalize the process and the person if that person happens to be Trump.

In this case, the precedent would criminalize and chill political speech. People keep assuring me the indictments aren’t really about the expression but rather about defrauding the government. Sorry, the entire case is predicated on the things Trump said or believed or didn’t say or didn’t believe. All of it should be protected under the First Amendment. “Spreading lies” — prosecutors leaned on the thesaurus hard, finding about two dozen ways of repeating this fact — or entertaining theories offered by crackpot lawyers, or trying to convince faithless electors to do things that people have been trying to convince faithless electors to do for a long time, are all unethical, not criminal.

Nowhere do the indictments come anywhere in the vicinity of making the case that Trump incited “imminent lawless action” on Jan 6. At least no more than, say, the entire Democratic Party had a hand in inciting the 2020 Black Lives Matter riots — the most destructive in American history. This is a dangerous road to go down.











 

Bird Dog

Bird Dog
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The emails show that President Trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to tout those numbers, both in court and to the public,” Carter wrote.

Former President Donald Trump signed legal documents challenging the results of the 2020 election that included voter fraud claims he knew to be false, a federal judge said in a ruling Wednesday.


U.S. District Court Judge David Carter in an 18-page opinion ordered the release of those emails between Trump and attorney John Eastman to the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He said those communications cannot be withheld because they include evidence of potential crimes.

Later that month, Eastman warned in a message that Trump had been made aware that “some of the allegations (and evidence proffered by the experts)” in that Georgia filing “has been inaccurate.”

Yet even after the message from Eastman, Trump and his team filed another legal complaint that had “the same inaccurate numbers,” the judge wrote. Trump under oath verified the complaint was true to the best of his knowledge.

Carter wrote that the emails are “sufficiently related to and in furtherance of a conspiracy to defraud the United States.”
How was that orgasm?
 

StmarysCity79

Well-Known Member
The democrats will bankroll independent candidates campaigns to suck votes away from republicans.


Why would anyone bother?

Trump is facing over 40 federal charges and couldn't win last time?

If you guys keep betting on a loser you're going to keep losing.

He lost the House, the Senate, and his second term.

Move on
 

AnthonyJames

R.I.P. My Brother Rick
Why would anyone bother?

Trump is facing over 40 federal charges and couldn't win last time?

If you guys keep betting on a loser you're going to keep losing.

He lost the House, the Senate, and his second term.

Move on
Educate yourself.

abuse of process​

Abuse of process is a common law tort that involves the misuse of legal process(es) for an ulterior purpose. Abuse of process is one of several actionable offenses aimed at discouraging bad-faith litigation attempts. Indeed, courts hold the authority to sanction parties for bringing frivolous action, and parties also have a right to action under the claim of malicious prosecution.
Generally, the elements for abuse of process are: (1) the use of an illegal or improper use of process; (2) an ulterior motive or improper purpose; and in some jurisdictions (3) harm to a litigant. For the purposes of abuse of process, an arbitration proceeding is a judicial proceeding. Abuse of process has been described as misusing a "criminal or civil process against another party for a purpose different than the proceeding's intended purposes" and thereby causing the party damages (e.g., arrest, seizure of property, or economic injury).
A classic case of abuse of process entails an attempt by a plaintiff to coerce the defendant to do some collateral thing which they could not be legally and regularly compelled to do. For example, in a case where a former employer sought to bring criminal charges to its employee to recover stolen money, while knowing that the employee was not responsible for the theft, the court held the employer liable for abuse of process for initiating criminal charges while knowing that the charges were unsupported by probable cause.
In regard to defenses to abuse of process, there is disagreement among jurisdictions on whether good-faith reliance on an attorney's advice in bringing action serves as a complete defense. Still, attorneys who bring the improper process can be held liable to the damaged party as well.
 

StmarysCity79

Well-Known Member
Educate yourself.


Yes. Trump has been guilty of abuse of process multiple times and had many cases thrown out with the judges citing that exact reason. He also had to pay $1 million for bringing a frivolous case against Clinton.

Well done. Glad to see you are paying attention.

Do you understand how grand jury's work? The bar that needs to be cleared to bring cases like these? These are your peers not "radical" judges

 

AnthonyJames

R.I.P. My Brother Rick
Yes. Trump has been guilty of abuse of process multiple times and had many cases thrown out with the judges citing that exact reason. He also had to pay $1 million for bringing a frivolous case against Clinton.

Well done. Glad to see you are paying attention.
Well done. Glad to see you are paying attention.

Congratulations on realizing that your OP is complete and utter nonsense.

What was your break through? Are your meds extended release or did you double your dosage?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Yes. Trump has been guilty of abuse of process multiple times and had many cases thrown out with the judges citing that exact reason.


yeah well smith done fuked up ...... In order to prove Fraud, Trump now gets to force Discovery on of those jurisdictions where fraud took place and judges struck down all the challenges WITHOUT ever looking at the evidence

well dummy it is on now
 

StmarysCity79

Well-Known Member
Well done. Glad to see you are paying attention.

Congratulations on realizing that your OP is complete and utter nonsense.

What was your break through? Are your meds extended release or did you double your dosage?


I am. And i posted the link proving Trump has been fined for doing exactly what you posted.

Do you have any proof 3 separate federal judges and grand juries found Trump liable enough to stand trail for 40 seperate charges?

Or do you just have more insults to throw with no facts or anything of substance?
 
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