Trump third party?

[vraiblonde]

The GOP is a waste and I don't see them coming back. Democrats are a cult and will always thrive because their voters are ignorant criminal drug addicts who do as they're told.

So what if Trump forms a new party? He could definitely get a few Republican Congresscritters to jump that sinking ship, but I'm wondering how many registered Republican voters would switch over? Everyone always whines that they want a third party, but they don't really mean that. They're like the abused woman whose unemployed husband cheats on her with assorted skeezers - she's not going to leave him, she's just going to sit around and whine about it.

Trump enjoys enormous support from conservatives AND independents. Yeah, yeah, I know you Trump haters like to pretend *everyone* hates him, but that's just you living in a bubble and thinking everyone is you. Just because *you* won't stand up for yourself and leave your abusive lazy cheating party doesn't mean nobody will. I can assure you - and polls back it up - that Trump is quite popular.

Popular enough to spearhead a third party? I mean, it's time. Political parties traditionally have a shelf life in this country - we like to refresh that Tree of Liberty periodically. And someone has to step up and fight back against the fascist Marxist Democrats.

Thoughts?

 

[Ken King]

The two dominant parties have a strangle hold on getting a "new" party established and each state his a differing process and timeline to follow to get on the general election ballot. The matter is truly rigged to make it as difficult as possible. The process.

The founders warned about these factions that could rise up in an effort to control and corrupt the process. Today it is clearly obvious that they were correct in their assertion. Instead of new parties there needs to be no parties, remove the parties and it might be possible to remove the corruptible power that they have amassed.

 

[stgislander]

Today it is clearly obvious that they were correct in their assertion. Instead of new parties there needs to be no parties, remove the parties and it might be possible to remove the corruptible power that they have amassed.

Add to that the elimination of the FPP election process.

 

[Bobwhite]

The two dominant parties have a strangle hold on getting a "new" party established and each state his a differing process and timeline to follow to get on the general election ballot. The matter is truly rigged to make it as difficult as possible. The process.

The founders warned about these factions that could rise up in an effort to control and corrupt the process. Today it is clearly obvious that they were correct in their assertion. Instead of new parties there needs to be no parties, remove the parties and it might be possible to remove the corruptible power that they have amassed.

I've said for a long time that we need to have no parties. However, if we don't get term limits in place, that won't work either.

 

[WingsOfGold]

Not no but hell no. That would be conservative elections suicide. Like it or not we have a 2 party system, deal with it.

 

[limblips]

I believe an attempt by Trump to either form a third party or mount a write-in cammpaign will result in a win for the dems. I am surprised they haven't pushed the narrative.

 

[SamSpade]

The reason we have a two party system is the way elections are decided, in a "first past the post" system.
I don't see how that will ever change - the founders did not create the government with the expressed intent of parties - in fact, Washington saw them as a kind of evil. The second half of his Farewell Address deals with this, but the most oft quoted piece is this --

"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."

As long as we have a system where the MOST VOTES wins a race, it will always tend towards ONE candidate winning with 50% plus 1 vote. It is not advantageous to have many parties with slightly different views run, when several could combine and assure a win by getting half the votes.

This tendency has a name - Duverger's Law. In political science, Duverger's law holds that in political systems with only one winner (as in the U.S.), two main parties tend to emerge with minor parties primarily splitting votes.

Proportional systems - such as some parliaments - more parties are likely to emerge. Canada, for example, has a system where their parliament - you vote for party, and total membership is divided proportionately according to percent total. I don't know how it works as far as what WE have - representatives for a specific district.

But what then happens is, those separate factions choose their prime minister. However, it's not uncommon for parties to form coalitiions to gain power - and to dissolve when they don't want them.

 

[SamSpade]

I believe an attempt by Trump to either form a third party or mount a write-in cammpaign will result in a win for the dems. I am surprised they haven't pushed the narrative.

Sadly, this is true. For a lot of reasons, but the main one is the fear that a vote for a third party candidate will ensure a win by the party you don't want. People prefer to vote for Les Evil.

 

[stgislander]

On Outnumbered today, Kayleigh McEnany was showing a headline that RFK Jr. is flirting with the Libertarian Party.

 

[vraiblonde]

I believe an attempt by Trump to either form a third party or mount a write-in cammpaign will result in a win for the dems. I am surprised they haven't pushed the narrative.

Pssst...Democrats have already won.

 

[vraiblonde]

On Outnumbered today, Kayleigh McEnany was showing a headline that RFK Jr. is flirting with the Libertarian Party.

Well he has his work cut out for him. Those stoners aren't serious. Everything for them boils down to legalizing drugs so they can get baked without worrying about getting busted. If they want to be a legitimate party, they really need to bring something else to the table.

 

[jrt_ms1995]

On Outnumbered today, Kayleigh McEnany was showing a headline that RFK Jr. is flirting with the Libertarian Party.

I'm not sure we're flirting back (I'm not, anyway).

 

[Merlin99]

Pssst...Democrats have already won.

You’re a real Debby Downer.

 

[3CATSAILOR]

The GOP is a waste and I don't see them coming back. Democrats are a cult and will always thrive because their voters are ignorant criminal drug addicts who do as they're told.

So what if Trump forms a new party? He could definitely get a few Republican Congresscritters to jump that sinking ship, but I'm wondering how many registered Republican voters would switch over? Everyone always whines that they want a third party, but they don't really mean that. They're like the abused woman whose unemployed husband cheats on her with assorted skeezers - she's not going to leave him, she's just going to sit around and whine about it.

Trump enjoys enormous support from conservatives AND independents. Yeah, yeah, I know you Trump haters like to pretend *everyone* hates him, but that's just you living in a bubble and thinking everyone is you. Just because *you* won't stand up for yourself and leave your abusive lazy cheating party doesn't mean nobody will. I can assure you - and polls back it up - that Trump is quite popular.

Popular enough to spearhead a third party? I mean, it's time. Political parties traditionally have a shelf life in this country - we like to refresh that Tree of Liberty periodically. And someone has to step up and fight back against the fascist Marxist Democrats.

Thoughts?

I heard the Dims are considering forming a new party called the New Democrat Party. How original. The reason is that they are aware that their current Party stands for everything that is bad. Most Dims, uh Dems are trying to stay away from it.

 

[vraiblonde]

You’re a real Debby Downer.

No, I'm a realist. You're doing the same things over and over, hoping for a different outcome.

 

[BOP]

The GOP is a waste and I don't see them coming back. Democrats are a cult and will always thrive because their voters are ignorant criminal drug addicts who do as they're told.

So what if Trump forms a new party? He could definitely get a few Republican Congresscritters to jump that sinking ship, but I'm wondering how many registered Republican voters would switch over? Everyone always whines that they want a third party, but they don't really mean that. They're like the abused woman whose unemployed husband cheats on her with assorted skeezers - she's not going to leave him, she's just going to sit around and whine about it.

Trump enjoys enormous support from conservatives AND independents. Yeah, yeah, I know you Trump haters like to pretend *everyone* hates him, but that's just you living in a bubble and thinking everyone is you. Just because *you* won't stand up for yourself and leave your abusive lazy cheating party doesn't mean nobody will. I can assure you - and polls back it up - that Trump is quite popular.

Popular enough to spearhead a third party? I mean, it's time. Political parties traditionally have a shelf life in this country - we like to refresh that Tree of Liberty periodically. And someone has to step up and fight back against the fascist Marxist Democrats.

Thoughts?

C'mon, man! The Demonrats have a bigger tent than that.

You forgot huggers, muggers, and thieves; as well as wild-eyed f'n-ists, self-flagellating simp-ass beta males, and dead people.

To say the least.

 

[vraiblonde]

The two dominant parties have a strangle hold on getting a "new" party established and each state his a differing process and timeline to follow to get on the general election ballot. The matter is truly rigged to make it as difficult as possible. The process.

The founders warned about these factions that could rise up in an effort to control and corrupt the process. Today it is clearly obvious that they were correct in their assertion. Instead of new parties there needs to be no parties, remove the parties and it might be possible to remove the corruptible power that they have amassed.

I agree in principle, but people like to belong to something. They like to say, "I'm a (something)." Politics, religion, state/city of origin, ethnicity....humans like to have an identity and belong to a group. Not too many true individuals out there - just a bunch of "Me too!" people.

So there has to be parties or very few Americans will "join". Which is fine with me because I prefer the "me too " people stay out of it and let the grownups talk. But at some point some fascist will form the "Skinamarinkydinkydink Party" and its platform won't matter - people will come out in droves to join so they can say they "are" something.

Honestly, I think we've let it go too far and this is pretty much it. The US as originally conceived and what we've stood for can't come back from this. I mean, unless we have another revolution and put all their heads on pikes, but I'm not sure there would be enough people to form a rebellion in this day and age when literally everything that keeps us alive is controlled by government.

I'm thinking the only chance we have is a strong third party to replace an existing one and destroy the other one. But it would have to be an egg breaker. Can't be some shirking "can't we all get along" bullshit thrower - we already have that in the GOP.

 

[StmarysCity79]

Pssst...Democrats have already won.

I thought the election was stolen?

 

[Kyle]

I thought the election was stolen?

When speaking of Democrats, it's the same thing.

 

[vraiblonde]

I thought the election was stolen?