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[BernieP]

Was it just recently reported that 120 (+/-) dead people have been voting in Chicago alone for something like 20 years.
And you want to know WHY there are no charges of convictions, because who controls city government?
And what did the city government have to say? It was just a clerical error.

It's always been, "there's nothing to see here, this is not the fraud you are looking for, move along."

 

[littlelady]

You mean less than 30 cases of voter fraud that were caught, charged and convicted...

Easy to say when there are no real safeguards in place to prevent it or to catch them in the first place.


Lets look at something just as simple, say shoplifting.. 32 billion in KNOWN losses a year.. efforts in place to catch them and we still dont catch 10% of them...

Voters.. Nothing in place to catch them, everyone knows it happens but we do nothing to quantify it..

Using shoplifting as an example where we know, yet still cant stop it; voter fraud could be rampant and we'll never catch even close to 1%...

Glad to see you agree with me because, lawd knows, we have had our differences! I do find it hard to believe that anyone believes there have been 30 cases of voter fraud (proven or not). Where is newb? I guess it was a drive by, like Danny said.

 

[littlelady]

Presidential immunity pretty much says he has a get out of jail free card for the last eight years, if he hasn't been been impeached by now he's home free.

That is such a shame because it was in our face. Now, it is in Obama's face. All he is worried about is his legacy, and being a patriot be damned. What a waste of time the last 8 years were; not to mention the damage he caused on purpose to forward his libprog agenda. I didn't vote for Obama, but I had high hopes for him. He makes me vomit. I refuse to drink the koolaid.

 

[littlelady]

Just a fyi. The recent increases were a planned political ploy. Either you think it was a stroke of genius or a stroke of treason depending on your political mindset. When Obama care was put into law, it recognized that by requiring insurance companies to insure people with existing conditions and those who had no previous insurance the cost to the insurance companies would go up for the first five to 10 years until to insurance pool evened oiut. Therefore, a "risk corridor" as included in the bill that said that the government would pay insurance companies money to make up for lost profits for a period of 5-10 years depending on the performance of the insurance pool. This would have stabilized premiums. Led by Marco Rubio the Republican congress stripped out this risk corridor provision in last years budget bill thereby causes the increases in premiums since the insurance companies needed to make up their lost profits. Thus the "starve the beast" tactic was used to discredit the program. By cutting funding the program was crippled (even thought subsidy increases would have helped) and it would be seen as not working, and demands could then be made to scrap it.

Little did Obama know that healthy young people wouldn't opt in because they would rather pay the fine. I would rather talk about Hattie, and Beanie!

I was reading this thread to my Marine hub, and he said our gov doesn't give a f..k. He is right. Hopefully, Trump will fix it. Drain the swamp, and all.

 

[Popster]

If you don't believe in science, then don't bother reading this link. If you are open to facts rather than apples and oranges analogies, the look at http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/

 

[BernieP]

That is such a shame because it was in our face. Now, it is in Obama's face. All he is worried about is his legacy, and being a patriot be damned. What a waste of time the last 8 years were; not to mention the damage he caused on purpose to forward his libprog agenda. I didn't vote for Obama, but I had high hopes for him. He makes me vomit. I refuse to drink the koolaid.

He's not done yet. I have no doubt he is going to leave his mark in a way that will leave a large segment of the population pissed off.

One area would be to grant immunity, legal residency to all people who are now here illegally and subject to deportation.

 

[Goldenhawk]

If you don't believe in science, then don't bother reading this link. If you are open to facts rather than apples and oranges analogies, the look at http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/

That's a fascinating article. Made me think. But it makes a lot of unsupported assertions about fraud being hard, so in my view it rather hand-waves away the problem. Also, it's worth noting that factcheck.org is rather left-biased, as are many of the so-called fact-checking websites. Many were designed to attack Republican assertions.

Let me tell you a very real, very personal story about a form of fraudulent voting. My brother-in-law has been mentally handicapped for decades, furthermore had a debilitating stroke recently, and we are legally his guardians and he has been declared incompetent by a state judge. Legally he's not allowed to vote, although his name must still be on the books somehow after years of incompetence. Yet the nursing home where he lives took him to vote and "helped" him vote. Even if they didn't mark the ballot for him, they only fed him the information they wanted him to have ("So-and-so will do this-and-such horrible things to your medical care if elected!"), thus ensuring he would vote in one direction. This was all done without telling us - we can't be there all day every day so we had no idea, and he has such a horrible memory that he never thought to mention it. Naturally we were outraged but couldn't do anything about it.

How many senior citizens and other mentally-handicapped persons of extremely questionable competence are similarly "helped" to vote each election, all in the good name of fairness and decency? I guarantee it's far more than that trolling "less than 30 in the last 20 years" estimate a few posts ago.

I personally couldn't care less whether they voted for Trump or Hillary - that's voter fraud. And it's very real, and it's very common.

Here's a contrasting point of view.
http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/

 

[Popster]

My problem with thefederalist.com is: from Wiki (which is not always relieble- did you knwo there is a whole floor of a building in I believe DC with folks paid to present the conservative viewpoint- libs probably have one also...

As the online news and commentary landscape continues to expand, the nascent conservative web magazine The Federalist has quickly carved out a role as a brash, anti-establishment site. It has also become an outlet for often-rabid anti-LGBT talking points.

Launched in September 2013 as a "web magazine on politics, policy, and culture," The Federalist is helmed by publisher Ben Domenech, a co-founder of the right-wing blog RedState.com and senior fellow at the Heartland Institute, a conservative think tank known for its opposition to climate science and funding from industry sources like the Koch brothers. Co-founder Sean Davis came to conservative journalism after a career in GOP politics, having worked for Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) and Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK). Senior editors David Harsanyi and Mollie Hemingway and senior writer Robert Tracinski round out The Federalist's leadership.

In its short existence, The Federalist has won plaudits from conservative organizations and activists, not least those best known for their anti-LGBT advocacy. A look at the website's track record on LGBT issues leaves little doubt as to why The Federalist counts some of the most notorious anti-LGBT groups among its most ardent fans.

Touted by Domenech as a publication "that rejects the assumptions of the media establishment," The Federalist regularly frames its opposition to LGBT equality as brave defiance of elite conventions. This posture leads The Federalist to inveigh against even the most basic protections for LGBT people.

 

[Goldenhawk]

My problem with thefederalist.com is...

Look, I just grabbed one of many articles about the contrasting point of view. Set that point aside, and reread the rest of my post. Have you no comments?

 

[nutz]

Naturally we were outraged but couldn't do anything about it.

Are you rewarding their behavior by leaving him in that home?

 

[Goldenhawk]

Are you rewarding their behavior by leaving him in that home?

For quite a few reasons there are no other effective options for us. I think that's beside the point, however. It's not an isolated issue; it's a common practice which (in my opinion, if not in the law) is effectively voter fraud.

 

[CalvertNewb]

I wasn't trolling. I recently bought a house in the county. Sorry I don't spend a lot of time on this website.


What i was saying scares me is rise of "fake news" If you read a headline that says massive voter fraud, dead people voting. Most people these days don't do a lot of research into what they are reading. They don't look for a source to trace it back to. They don't look for direct quotes or actual figures. The article linked on page 5 of this thread does a good job of showing just how wrong these voter fraud claims are. Also one poster here said Trump won the popular vote. and she probably actually believes it is true.

If you sincerely believe Trump is the best person for the job then by all means I'm glad you voted for him. What makes me sad is the millions of people who believed the lies and propaganda and voted for him because he was the loudest, flashiest and had the best sound bite.

This article from the post recently shows who these people are that make these stories. They are in it for money. And they don't care who they influence as long as they get paid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...8d036c-adbf-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html

 

[littlelady]

I wasn't trolling. I recently bought a house in the county. Sorry I don't spend a lot of time on this website.


What i was saying scares me is rise of "fake news" If you read a headline that says massive voter fraud, dead people voting. Most people these days don't do a lot of research into what they are reading. They don't look for a source to trace it back to. They don't look for direct quotes or actual figures. The article linked on page 5 of this thread does a good job of showing just how wrong these voter fraud claims are. Also one poster here said Trump won the popular vote. and she probably actually believes it is true.

If you sincerely believe Trump is the best person for the job then by all means I'm glad you voted for him. What makes me sad is the millions of people who believed the lies and propaganda and voted for him because he was the loudest, flashiest and had the best sound bite.

This article from the post recently shows who these people are that make these stories. They are in it for money. And they don't care who they influence as long as they get paid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...8d036c-adbf-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html

Sorry for thinking you are a troll. I just recently moved (so exhausting, but I am addicted to this forum ), too, from Calvert to Montgomery. Did it to be near first grandchild. Anyway, please notice where that fake news is coming from, and, I don't believe for one second that there have only been 30 incidents of voter fraud in 20 years. It happens on both sides. And, Soros owning companies that supply voting machines to the US is another story. I don't think that Trump thought he would win; the odds were yuge and bigly against him. But, he did win, and that sends a yuge and bigly message resonating throughout America. Hillary was a death sentence for our country. The Wash Post is a rag; they are so biased, it is ridiculous. We cancelled our subscription 2 years ago, and they still call, incessantly, to take the paper again. JMO, yo! Again, welcome to the forum! You must be really young; nothing wrong with that (I am 61).

 

[Popster]

littlelady, Hattie and I love you to death, but I have to react to this one. This is what the op was talking about. My rule of thumb is that whenever something is too good to be true or just fits my my beliefs perfectly, I need to check that statement out as carefully as one with which I totally disagree.


Claim: George Soros-controlled Smartmatic manufactures the voting machines used in 16 crucial states, and those states will be rigged in favor of Hillary Clinton.
false

Origin:With the advent of electronic voting systems — and public unease with casting ballots that are not tangible physical objects — every election cycle brings rumors that some individual or group with a heavy investment in the outcome of the election owns or controls the machines that record and count votes — and those parties will use their powers to "rig" the voting systems they control to ensure the election outcome conforms to their preferred results.

Billionaire business magnate George Soros was tagged in such rumors in 2012, and he was back in 2016 as the subject of articles by disreputable web sites such as the Daily Caller falsely claiming that Soros' ties to the Smartmatic company — which reportedly manufactures the voting machines used in 16 states — put him in a position to "rig" the election in Hillary Clinton's favor:

 

[Popster]

Look, I just grabbed one of many articles about the contrasting point of view. Set that point aside, and reread the rest of my post. Have you no comments?

If someone marked a ballot that for your relative that was fraudulent that was wrong. Period. Are you saying that this happened enough to change an election?

What do you think of Kobach's/Trump's crosscheck program? Here a link to rolling stones. http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

Here's an example of the list- note: middle names, SSN, etc are not considered. Just the first and last name. 1.1 million voters eliminated.

 

[SamSpade]

My problem with thefederalist.com is: from Wiki (which is not always relieble- did you knwo there is a whole floor of a building in I believe DC with folks paid to present the conservative viewpoint- libs probably have one also...

As the online news and commentary landscape continues to expand, the nascent conservative web magazine The Federalist has quickly carved out a role as a brash, anti-establishment site. It has also become an outlet for often-rabid anti-LGBT talking points.

Launched in September 2013 as a "web magazine on politics, policy, and culture," The Federalist is helmed by publisher Ben Domenech, a co-founder of the right-wing blog RedState.com and senior fellow at the Heartland Institute, a conservative think tank known for its opposition to climate science and funding from industry sources like the Koch brothers. Co-founder Sean Davis came to conservative journalism after a career in GOP politics, having worked for Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) and Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK). Senior editors David Harsanyi and Mollie Hemingway and senior writer Robert Tracinski round out The Federalist's leadership.

In its short existence, The Federalist has won plaudits from conservative organizations and activists, not least those best known for their anti-LGBT advocacy. A look at the website's track record on LGBT issues leaves little doubt as to why The Federalist counts some of the most notorious anti-LGBT groups among its most ardent fans.

Touted by Domenech as a publication "that rejects the assumptions of the media establishment," The Federalist regularly frames its opposition to LGBT equality as brave defiance of elite conventions. This posture leads The Federalist to inveigh against even the most basic protections for LGBT people.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/02/introducing-the-federalist-a-new-web-magazine-f/198721

Couldn't you just use the link instead?

 

[SamSpade]

My concern about voter fraud is - there's really no one who really *wants* to look.

While it's true that the numbers don't reach really huge numbers, they can be large enough to turn an election.
This was certainly true in Florida in 2000, where we had people examining ballots to try and determine the voters INTENT by looking at ballots with dimples instead of punch throughs and so forth. During THAT election and other since - such as the election in Minnesota in 2008 - where boxes of ballots either appeared suddenly in someone's trunk - or disappeared completely (although TECHNICALLY, this is *election* fraud and not voter fraud, and I DO believe this happens more often, because it's not that hard).

But we also have an election in North Carolina where the governorship hangs in the balance over a thin margin. We have the state of Michigan being decided by a tiny margin (although it won't change the outcome of the national election). Clearly, the argument of "not that big a problem" is lame at best.

In an age where we so fiercely believe that "every vote should count", a fraudulent vote INVALIDATES a legitimate vote, so it is no different from just taking one away from someone.

Lastly - in the spirit of TJ - when someone sources Media Matters - a website that declares itself as existing to counteract conservative news - I hardly consider them relevant or trustworthy. Ditto FactCheck.

 

[Goldenhawk]

If someone marked a ballot that for your relative that was fraudulent that was wrong. Period. Are you saying that this happened enough to change an election?

I'm saying it definitely happens. Make your own decision about the scope of the problem. But if you wish you could estimate how many nursing homes have voter drives and thus have this problem. I've done that mental estimate and yes, I believe it's enough to affect election results in many borderline counties, thus affecting politics at a state and thus eventually national level. And it's likely enough to tip the scales of the (completely irrelevant) national popular vote in a close race.

 

[DannyMotorcycle]

i'm outraged at the nursing home voter fraud.

We can't trust the news. We can't trust the "fact checkers". We can't trust the gov't. There is a certain logic that if you can't trust the gov't that it doesnt' make sense to trust the elections run by the government. We cant trust the voters because these idiots go by headlines (and sometimes the stories inside say something different), memes, what their idiots friends say and post, and they misinterpret carefully worded lies.. so morons assume something else that they suggest. I just wish i could go to the gov't and get an OPT OUT card, and wear a bracelet or hat or something that says "this guy isn't a part of our system" and the gov't would just leave me the hell alone, so long as i'm not harming anyone. It stands to reason that if idiots are electing idiots that idiocy will result. I do not want to be a part of that idiocy that drives the vehicle off the cliff.

wont' do thier own

 

[littlelady]

Well, we heard plenty of news that voting machines were changing votes. I don't know what to say to y'all, other than thank gawd Trump was elected, good or bad, because our country would have gone over the cliff if Hillary had been elected. We shall see what happens. God bless, America. And, always vote, y'all.