Trump's VP

PeoplesElbow

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Remarks like these makes me think - he doesn't think these kinds of things through very well. He thinks like a businessman - which can be good - but a businessman doesn't have to think about long term alliances with other business partners, and a business will OFTEN throw a partner under the bus. You can't tell Poland or Georgia or Finland - yeah, we'll protect you from Russia - and in the next administration, yank out all of the missiles and troops.
Like we did with Ukraine?
 

Hijinx

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Certainly no President can know what his successor will do, especially when that successor has dementia and is led by the nose by Hussein Obama.
 

SamSpade

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PREMO Member
Like we did with Ukraine?
You mean, the Budapest Memorandum? The agreement where we and other nations - like the UK, France (and China and Russia) signed when Ukraine declared independence and SUDDENLY became the world's third largest holder of nukes?

We all agreed to protect them from other nations - or NOT to attack them - if they would relinquish the nukes.

Yeah that worked. Let's see if ANY country in the world ever agrees to that kind of thing again.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
We all agreed to protect them from other nations - or NOT to attack them - if they would relinquish the nukes.

and NATO would not expand either ... my understanding this is the reason Putin invaded Georgia previously to keep Georgia out of NATO, as long as there was a conflict or borders in dispute Georgia would not be allowed to join.
 

SamSpade

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and NATO would not expand either ... my understanding this is the reason Putin invaded Georgia previously to keep Georgia out of NATO, as long as there was a conflict or borders in dispute Georgia would not be allowed to join.
And a lot of punditry - and Russian officials - claim this, but there was no agreement of any kind. The best that can be said is, during German reunification - with unified Germany joining NATO including EAST Germany - U.S. officials like Baker said it would be better if Germany was with NATO and it not move eastward than if Germany were to remain neutral.

Statements like that were seized upon by Russians to say, see, you promised, and since we planned to invade Georgia ANYWAY, that's all the "proof" we need. They knew that we weren't going to intervene to save South Ossetia or Abkhazia.

I suspect Russia took a beat when Trump decided, you know what, Germany doesn't need our guys there, it's a big waste and they don't bother to spend money even on their own defense much less carry their weight in NATO - I know - let's move it all to POLAND. But just a beat. Once Biden was in office, they knew it was a green light to go ahead and invade Ukraine. Biden wasn't gonna do chit.

To me, the war in Ukraine simply PROVES to me they should have been IN it. To me, it's like racketeers threatening to blow up your business if you call the police. And THEN having the brass to say to the police, well, we only blew it up because they called you for help.
 

Dakota

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Swarmy Vivek might make a good VP. He's cut from that DC outsider cloth and has real world experience, not some career pol.
I haven't read all the post on him but research him and research him well. He had ties with George Soros' brother which he paid wiki to delete. He sounds like Obama but more of a MAGA version.

He can go be a senator first. There is something about him that is off putting to me.

He seemed to pop up out of nowhere.

This country made that mistake once with Obama and I believe his presidency is the reason we are here, in this country, at the moment.

He allowed Clinton and Biden to commit all sorts of crimes and said or did nothing. He did know about it. But the question is, was he involved (meaning Obama), I don't know.
 
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dave20

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I'm not sure who Trump will pick for a running mate. If he is nominated by the GOP and survives all his legal problems I'll vote for him with reservation. Unless he can carry the day for the House and Senate we will see the same political witch hunt begin all over again.
As for Sarah Sanders, I think she should keep her powder dry and wait until the next election cycle. She can support Trump from her current post but if she runs on his ticket I feel she will be damaged as a future candidate.
I like Trump's policies but I liken him to the medicine that tastes bad but you know it is the best thing for you to take it. I'm ready for my medicine.
 

StmarysCity79

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I'm not sure who Trump will pick for a running mate. If he is nominated by the GOP and survives all his legal problems I'll vote for him with reservation. Unless he can carry the day for the House and Senate we will see the same political witch hunt begin all over again.
As for Sarah Sanders, I think she should keep her powder dry and wait until the next election cycle. She can support Trump from her current post but if she runs on his ticket I feel she will be damaged as a future candidate.
I like Trump's policies but I liken him to the medicine that tastes bad but you know it is the best thing for you to take it. I'm ready for my medicine.


He couldn't even win the House or Senate the first time. How will he do it now?

That's what i don't understand.

Trump was a failure for Republicans, lost the House, lost the Senate lost his second term added $8 trillion to the deficit and let thousands die with his botched response to Covid.

All the Republicans need to do is run a sane young candidate and say hey "We love Trump but with his legal issues and all his baggage we think it's better to run someone who can get things done and is half Biden's age.


But they keep beating a dead horse.
 

Clem72

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I haven't read all the post on him but research him and research him well. He had ties with George Soros' brother which he paid wiki to delete. He sounds like Obama but more of a MAGA version.

He can go be a senator first. There is something about him that is off putting to me.

He seemed to pop up out of nowhere.

This country made that mistake once with Obama and I believe his presidency is the reason we are here, in this country, at the moment.

He allowed Clinton and Biden to commit all sorts of crimes and said or did nothing. He did know about it. But the question is, was he involved (meaning Obama), I don't know.
Agreed he popped up out of nowhere, and that it certainly wouldn't hurt for him to run for a lower office first. But that Soros link is bunk. He has the most tenuous link to Soro's brother that it's laughable. Literal pocket change as part of a scholarship that he didn't even need.

Do you really think ole Soros is going to be able to call him up and say "Hey, remember that $10k scholarship my brother's foundation gave you 10 years ago, after you already started making millions of dollars with your company?" "Yeah, I own your ass now!"
 

Dakota

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Agreed he popped up out of nowhere, and that it certainly wouldn't hurt for him to run for a lower office first. But that Soros link is bunk. He has the most tenuous link to Soro's brother that it's laughable. Literal pocket change as part of a scholarship that he didn't even need.

Do you really think ole Soros is going to be able to call him up and say "Hey, remember that $10k scholarship my brother's foundation gave you 10 years ago, after you already started making millions of dollars with your company?" "Yeah, I own your ass now!"
It might be laughable but obviously he thought it was important enough for us not to know that.

It might be because that link is too close for many people's comfort, but I took pause with him before that. It has nothing to do with why I don't think he is the man for the job at this moment in time.
 

somdwatch

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He couldn't even win the House or Senate the first time. How will he do it now?

That's what i don't understand.

Trump was a failure for Republicans, lost the House, lost the Senate lost his second term added $8 trillion to the deficit and let thousands die with his botched response to Covid.

All the Republicans need to do is run a sane young candidate and say hey "We love Trump but with his legal issues and all his baggage we think it's better to run someone who can get things done and is half Biden's age.


But they keep beating a dead horse.
So Trump has 240,000 deaths at the time he left office.

Joe Biden to date has a total of 1,181,531. Where is your objectivity and why don't you and your part take responsibility for "If Trump made the vaccine, I'm not taking it?"
 

StmarysCity79

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It might be laughable but obviously he thought it was important enough for us not to know that.

It might be because that link is too close for many people's comfort, but I took pause with him before that. It has nothing to do with why I don't think he is the man for the job at this moment in time.

It's on his wikipedia page right now.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory.
 

StmarysCity79

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So Trump has 240,000 deaths at the time he left office.

Joe Biden to date has a total of 1,181,531. Where is your objectivity and why don't you and your part take responsibility for "If Trump made the vaccine, I'm not taking it?"


It was his botched response that caused the deaths under both him and Biden so you could argue Trump is responsible for all of those deaths.

You are also comparing 1 year under Trump to almost three under Biden.

Also your numbers are wrong deaths under Trump were almost 400K

Democrats overwhelmingly took the vaccine while republicans did not.

So are you saying Republicans went around saying if Trump made the vaccine I am not taking it?

 

Hijinx

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So Trump has 240,000 deaths at the time he left office.

Joe Biden to date has a total of 1,181,531. Where is your objectivity and why don't you and your part take responsibility for "If Trump made the vaccine, I'm not taking it?"
Nothing to do with the vaccine, but Biden and his Democrats are responsible for the deaths of 14 soldiers in Afghanistan and untold numbers in two wars that would not exist if Trump had been President. The Democrats had a great time bad mouthing Trump about Putin, but Putin did not start wars until we got this weakling demented crooked, corrupt useless ex-Senator to be President.
 

somdwatch

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It was his botched response that caused the deaths under both him and Biden so you could argue Trump is responsible for all of those deaths.

You are also comparing 1 year under Trump to almost three under Biden.

Also your numbers are wrong deaths under Trump were almost 400K

Democrats overwhelmingly took the vaccine while republicans did not.

So are you saying Republicans went around saying if Trump made the vaccine I am not taking it?

Don't let the name of your source confuse you that it's factual. With your frontal lobotomy I realize you may be unaware of what reality is, combine with TDS I'm surprised you're not on serious medication.

An No Kamala and many other Dems said it couldn't be trusted. Of course it doesn't fit your narrative so you wouldn't recall.
 

Clem72

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It was his botched response that caused the deaths under both him and Biden so you could argue Trump is responsible for all of those deaths.

You are also comparing 1 year under Trump to almost three under Biden.

Also your numbers are wrong deaths under Trump were almost 400K

Democrats overwhelmingly took the vaccine while republicans did not.

So are you saying Republicans went around saying if Trump made the vaccine I am not taking it?

Dems definitely called out the vaccines for being funded by Trump. Obviously the narrative changed when every magazine/TV/radio suddenly blessed the vaccines as the only hope for humanity.

And lest we forget, the left are the OG anti-vaxxers. Unless RFK Jr and Jenny McCarthy are now considered conservatives.
 
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