Tyrants in Maryland do it again

[2ndAmendment]

i discount Gore just for being an idiot
Seriously though, have such a huge conflict of interest puts anything this guy says on the subject under suspicion.

CO2 lags temperature by the global warming alarmists' own data. If something lags, it cannot be the cause.

 

[Midnightrider]

And the other researchers didn't get grant money to bias their views? I don't smoke, but I am tolerant of others' right to smoke. Oops. Who is being tolerant now?

Not everyone agrees that secondhand smoke is the threat that is claimed. You believe; I don't. End of conversation.

There are numerous health professionals who believe it is a health issue, but have not been compensated by anyone.

I am very tolorent of peoples rights to smoke, and i don't think tobacco should be made illegal, but if the state wants to regulate where people can smoke, i have no problem with it.

 

[Midnightrider]

CO2 lags temperature by the global warming alarmists' own data. If something lags, it cannot be the cause.

youre right, you probably should change the subject......

 

[2ndAmendment]

There are numerous health professionals who believe it is a health issue, but have not been compensated by anyone.

I am very tolorent of peoples rights to smoke, and i don't think tobacco should be made illegal, but if the state wants to regulate where people can smoke, i have no problem with it.

I have a problem when government tells a private business owner they cannot have smoking in their own establishment. It is not the governments money at risk. It is not the governments labor that makes the business go. Government should not have any say. If a person does not want to be in an area where there is smoke, don't go to an establishment that allows smoking. There is no need for government involvement at all.

 

[Roughidle]

There are numerous health professionals who believe it is a health issue, but have not been compensated by anyone.

I am very tolorent of peoples rights to smoke, and i don't think tobacco should be made illegal, but if the state wants to regulate where people can smoke, i have no problem with it.

Kind of a slippery slope, to be so willing to give such regulatory power to a government.

 

[Sharon]

The Anti-Smokers are funded by those with an Anti-Smoking agenda why would their research be any less suspect?

I can provide links but most people won't take the time to read through them and see how they've been mislead on the idea that 2nd hand smoke is a killer.

The EPA Report
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/epa.html

Fact: The EPA announced the results of the study before it was finished.

Fact: Studies that measured actual exposure by having non-smokers wear monitors indicate even this low estimate is exaggerated. Actual exposure (for people who live and/or work in smoky environments) is about six cigarettes per year.

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Exposures to second-hand smoke lower than believed, ORNL study finds
http://www.ornl.gov/info/press_releases/get_press_release.cfm?ReleaseNumber=mr20000203-00

Feb. 2, 2000 — Exposures to environmental tobacco smoke may be lower than earlier studies indicated for bartenders, waiters and waitresses, according to a study conducted by researchers at the Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL).

While people who work as wait staff and bartenders may generally be considered to be more highly exposed to environmental tobacco smoke, data from our study suggests that the situation is more complex," said Roger Jenkins of the Chemical and Analytical Chemistry Division.

The study, which involved 173 people employed at restaurants or taverns of varying sizes in the Knoxville area, concluded that exposures to respirable suspended particulate matter (RSP), for example, were considerably below limits established by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) for the workplace.





I have more but I don't have time to post them now. Gotta run.

 

[MMDad]

Here's all tha data you could ever want to see:

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/sgr/sgr_2006/index.htm

This is the governments case for both first and secondhand smoke. Tons of data.

 

[vraiblonde]

common sense

It seems that we do not have "common" sense in this country anymore. I do not believe that the government should start putting restrictions on what legal activities a privately owned business can and cannot offer. Other people think there is no such thing as "private" businesses - that if you invite the public, now it is subject to "common good" laws.

So given that, I'm not interested in what some soccer Mommy thinks is best for my children.

And my next question is: what about strip clubs? Guess pole dancers and back door prostitution are a-ok, as long as you don't smoke?

 

[vraiblonde]

if the state wants to regulate where people can smoke, i have no problem with it.

What if they regulate that I can't smoke in my own home? Would you consider that a problem?

 

[Midnightrider]

It seems that we do not have "common" sense in this country anymore. I do not believe that the government should start putting restrictions on what legal activities a privately owned business can and cannot offer. Other people think there is no such thing as "private" businesses - that if you invite the public, now it is subject to "common good" laws.

So given that, I'm not interested in what some soccer Mommy thinks is best for my children.

And my next question is: what about strip clubs? Guess pole dancers and back door prostitution are a-ok, as long as you don't smoke?

Actually those are already regulated.
you know, how much they can take off, how close they can get, and if an establishment can serve alcohol.....

 

[Midnightrider]

What if they regulate that I can't smoke in my own home? Would you consider that a problem?

yes i would....

 

[Tom Sawyer]

The Maryland Legislature and our Governor are on a roll

No smoking even in private clubs
12 ceants additional tax on gas
$1.00 a pack additional tax on cihgarettes.
Now Ex- felons can vote Democrat,
O'Malley wants to stop the death penalty
Resident prices for Illegal immigrants at college

And last but not least Maryland wants to destroy the electoral college.

More to come folks they aint even warmed up yet.
Look for Homosexual marriages and Socialist health care coming soon.

 

[awpitt]

You want to point us to these 'medical people'?

Even middleschoolers have done experiments showing the affects of secondhand smoke.

Now if thats a risk you are willing to take with your children ok, but dont ignore the FACT that it does increase the risk of potential health problems.

Thank you. Someone else with some common sense.

 

[awpitt]

I answered saying that act is not a basis for my opinion, so it is neither good nor bad.

second hand smoke: not all medical people agree. My opinion is based on their opinion.

global warming: several (many?) of the scientists listed as supporting the U.N. study withdrew from the study. They could not get their name removed without taking legal action. Most of those supporting receive grant money for their support; that certainly is unbiased. Watch this http://forums.somd.com/showthread.php?t=99228 . It may enlighten you. It will certainly give you a different side to look at the facts from.

So, an adult smoking in a car with the windows closed and with children in the car is not a bad act to you. Wow. Amazing.

As far as the medical people who disagree about 2nd hand smoke, they’re a very small minority as are those who share your opinion.

Yes, I’m going to watch the video, just as I watched the Gore video. I started to watch it yesterday but got interrupted. It’s an hour and fifteen so I’ll probably have to wait ‘til the kids are in bed. BTW, have you watched the Gore video?

 

[awpitt]

And my next question is: what about strip clubs? Guess pole dancers and back door prostitution are a-ok, as long as you don't smoke?

No it wouldn't be okay since prostitution is illegal.

 

[vraiblonde]

So, an adult smoking in a car with the windows closed and with children in the car is not a bad act to you. Wow. Amazing.

There are worse things parents expose their children to. The question is: how much control do you really want the government to have with regard to raising your children?

What if they passed a law regulating what you feed your children? The justification would be to reduce childhood obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, and a host of other ailments that can be attributed to improper diet. Would you go for that?

How about if they passed an exercise law? Every morning at 7am you must roust your children and lead them in an hour of aerobics. After all, what's better for you than exercise? And today's kids don't get enough of it, right?

A state dress code? After all, dress codes reduce elitism and inhibits gangs/cliques. Not to mention it's easier on the pocketbook and kids can focus more on their schoolwork rather than what they're going to wear every day.

Proper nutrition is good.
Exercise is good.
Assimilation is good.

Ever read Orwell's 1984?

 

[awpitt]

There are worse things parents expose their children to. The question is: how much control do you really want the government to have with regard to raising your children?

What if they passed a law regulating what you feed your children? The justification would be to reduce childhood obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, and a host of other ailments that can be attributed to improper diet. Would you go for that?

How about if they passed an exercise law? Every morning at 7am you must roust your children and lead them in an hour of aerobics. After all, what's better for you than exercise? And today's kids don't get enough of it, right?

A state dress code? After all, dress codes reduce elitism and inhibits gangs/cliques. Not to mention it's easier on the pocketbook and kids can focus more on their schoolwork rather than what they're going to wear every day.

Proper nutrition is good.
Exercise is good.
Assimilation is good.

Ever read Orwell's 1984?

There are worse things parents expose their children to.

You’re right. I guess we could give them shots or let them take a toke off a joint but, Hey, it’s just a matter of opinion. Still, no one has directly answered my original question. Maybe I should rephrase it…. Would YOU smoke in a closed car with the windows up with your children in the car? My answer is that I would NOT. To do so, I think, would be F‘ed Up. Forget what the govt thinks.

What if they passed a law regulating what you feed your children? The justification would be to reduce childhood obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, and a host of other ailments that can be attributed to improper diet. Would you go for that?

I would not go for that; however, we already keep tight controls on what our kids eat.

How about if they passed an exercise law? Every morning at 7am you must roust your children and lead them in an hour of aerobics. After all, what's better for you than exercise? And today's kids don't get enough of it, right?

Wouldn’t go for that either. My kids get plenty of exercise. I make them, when needed. I do know that there’s an effort right now to restore P.E. back into schools were it’s been dropped because childhood obesity is becoming a problem. Good or bad? Who knows.

A state dress code? After all, dress codes reduce elitism and inhibits gangs/cliques. Not to mention it's easier on the pocketbook and kids can focus more on their schoolwork rather than what they're going to wear every day.

When I attended Boonsboro HS, not far from you, in the early eighties, there was a rather strict dress code, no uniforms though. No tank tops, no open toed foot ware, coats had to be put away in lockers during the day, no hats, no shorts, dresses/skirts had to extend to the knees, no explicit logos or slogans on tee shirts… these are the ones I remember. Our principal, at the time, was a former marine and he ran things as such. Most of us hated it but looking back now as a parent, it was a safe school environment.


In debating this, I think we go to extremes in order to say “what if?” or “what will be next?” You can’t compare parents exposing their kids to cigarette smoke in the closed environment of a car to household dietary choices.

 

[vraiblonde]

You can’t compare parents exposing their kids to cigarette smoke in the closed environment of a car to household dietary choices.

Why not? The #1 killer of Americans is heart disease. The #1 cause of heart disease is obesity.

Why would the government not want to regulate the #1 cause of the #1 killer?

 

[RadioPatrol]

My argument extends beyond restaraunts and other establiments. Smokes always feel their rights are being infringed upon whenever someone even speaks of banning smoking. There is an obviouos reason you can't go into establishments and spit your chew on the foor. It's for health reasons. But for some reason you smokers have convinced so many that there are no health consequences to others (or even yourselves) with your second-hand smoke. Well, you're losing the battle and you just can't stand it, so you havwe to throw the old "it's my right" in everyone's face. Well, I'm sorry Vrai, it's not your right to make everyone else smoke with you. I went to the new Outback in PF a few weeks back and someone on the other side of the partition was smoking. We had already started eating. It ruined our meal. And you see it as your right to ruin my meal just because that place allows smoking. I just find it completely lacking in courtesy.

http://www.davehitt.com/facts/links.html

 

[vraiblonde]

Maybe I should rephrase it…. Would YOU smoke in a closed car with the windows up with your children in the car?

No. I don't even smoke in a closed car with the windows rolled up when it's just me.

And when I see someone else doing it, I go :blech: but I still don't think the government should start making laws just because I go :blech:. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to restrict parents who smoke around their kids when there are parents who do so many worse things to screw up their kids.

I think letting your teens run wild and not supervising them should be against the law. That, IMO, is much worse than smoking around them. Are you prepared for the government to regulate how much supervision you give your child?