Tyrants in Maryland do it again
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Ask a young welfare recipient.MMDad said:
People who paid into the SS system are getting ripped off by the government. Had they saved that money in their own retirement account, it would be worth a lot more when they retire. Our congress reps do not pay into SS because they made it that way. They also made it so they can collect that big fat paycheck for life, after only one term of service. They keep themselves rolling in the dough, even though they've done nothing to earn this money after they left office. I think I like their retirement plan better than the SS system we are forced to pay into.
The question is... a tax break for people of limited funds who have worked their entire lives. They may have planned for their future but there are many things that can wipe out your life's savings. The tax break is minuscule.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
it's still YOUR...
...money. The employer does not pay it if you didn't work it. In Larry World, I would hand you your entire paycheck on Friday and you work out with YOUR government what you owed and how you were gonna pay it.
Might be a few more voters in Larry World.
Pandora said:12.4% if you are self employed. Right! I was looking at my portion, 6.2% and my employer picks up the other 1/2.
I forgot about the 2.9% of Medicare Tax (or 1/2 if your employer picks up 1/2).
It never ends!
...money. The employer does not pay it if you didn't work it. In Larry World, I would hand you your entire paycheck on Friday and you work out with YOUR government what you owed and how you were gonna pay it.
Might be a few more voters in Larry World.
Larry Gude said:
There'd be a lot more people raining hell about how much they are taxed.
You are...
Taxed before you're paid.
Taxed on your bills.
Taxed when you buy.
Taxed on your interest savings.
Taxed on your property.
Taxed at the pump...and the list goes on.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
That's the general...
..idea, raining hell.
Sharon said:
..idea, raining hell.
I would gladly give up some of the infrastructure. Property taxes should not be used for roads anyway. There are fuel taxes to support that and they account for far more of the price of a gallon of fuel that the oil company profits do.Woodyspda said:
The elite that "we" elect, and I am beginning to wonder about our elections and certainly the selection of candidates, need to be the representatives of the people and not the tyrants that they have become by offering "carrots" to stupid people that are allow to vote. We need to bring back literacy test for voting.
The income tax is oppressive as is property tax. A consumption tax, VAT, sales tax, whatever you want to call it, is much more fair.awpitt said:
PsyOps
Pixelated
I agree with you in context but not language. If I voted for Bush because I believed he would execute this war decisively, that he would secure our borders, and he would stop the mad government spending am I stupid for falling for those "carrots" or was I just plainly deceived? We don't need a literacy test for folks to vote, we need candidates that are going to 1) use plane language to convey an understandable message and 2) have some stinking honesty to do what they made us believe they were going to do.2ndAmendment said:
Heartless bast....MMDad said:
Maybe she and her husband thought they had saved enough. Fifty thousand in savings used to be a lot. Now it lasts a couple of years; five at most if you have minimal bills and minimal lifestyle. If you have a million in the bank today and retire, in 10-15 years, it likely will not be enough.
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 29 Jun 2007 at 03:18:46 PM GMT is:
$ 8 , 8 0 7 , 7 9 9 , 9 6 6 , 8 7 6 . 2 4
The estimated population of the United States is 302,291,412
so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,136.79.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.10 billion per day since September 29, 2006!
Everyone pony up their share now. It is only getting bigger ... that is only at the federal level ... and that is not per family or household, that is per person. Wife, two kids, and self = $116547.16. MMDad, you have that saved, right? Pony it up.
Asshats in government spend money like it was paper. Oh, that's right ... and that is what it is worth. Ever wonder why we are no longer on the gold or silver standards? The money isn't worth anything except whet the elite at the fed say it is.
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 29 Jun 2007 at 03:18:46 PM GMT is:
$ 8 , 8 0 7 , 7 9 9 , 9 6 6 , 8 7 6 . 2 4
The estimated population of the United States is 302,291,412
so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,136.79.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.10 billion per day since September 29, 2006!
Everyone pony up their share now. It is only getting bigger ... that is only at the federal level ... and that is not per family or household, that is per person. Wife, two kids, and self = $116547.16. MMDad, you have that saved, right? Pony it up.
Asshats in government spend money like it was paper. Oh, that's right ... and that is what it is worth. Ever wonder why we are no longer on the gold or silver standards? The money isn't worth anything except whet the elite at the fed say it is.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Uh...
...raisning?
rainings?
rainsing?
Sharon said:Don't need a vowel but I'd like an 'S' please.
...raisning?
rainings?
rainsing?
No. You and those like you are probably not stupid. The ones that are stupid are the ones that are after what the government will give them. The ones that are stupid are the ones that vote the party line just because they are a Democrat or a Republican or a Socialist or a Communist or a fill-in-the-blank. The ones that are stupid are the ones that never research beyond a sound bite on TV what a candidate stands for, what the candidate's life says about them, what the candidate's voting record says about them. The ones that are stupid are the ones that have no idea what is going on in the world beyond their eyesight.PsyOps said:
Remember, for every person that has an IQ of 130 there is a 70. And even the IQ is a poor standard since it is normalized to 100. When 100 is actually less than the 100 of a few years ago, it means that even the 130s aren't as smart as those of a few years ago and the same goes for the 70s.
I think you may be wrong about that. It seems China owns much of the U.S. debt instruments and could, if called, cause the U.S. to default or go bankrupt. Doesn't that give you a warm fuzzy?MMDad said:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
No...
...you're a citizen of the United States and with that wonderful thing comes some baggage. Whatever you thought W would or would not do once elected, falls into the scope of how our system works. I don't think he could have spoken any plainer and I do think he is honest.
A president can only get a handful of large things done in a term or two. Even Reagan, the icon of conservatism was merely, at the end of the day, a piece in our national puzzle; not a king or dictator. He and congress got Graham/Rudman into law; every new dollar in taxes was to be offset by a dollar cut in spending. He could not make them stick to it and he, by signing, passed plenty of spending bills that flew into the face of G/R.
But, Reagan did accomplish a few major things; tax cuts, win the cold war, rebuild American optimism and spirit. Look at Clinton. He was so busy with small things he didn't get ANYTHING substantial done. But he did accomplish his main goal; to have played the most rounds of golf of any president.
That's not excuse making. It's just a dose of reality.
PsyOps said:
...you're a citizen of the United States and with that wonderful thing comes some baggage. Whatever you thought W would or would not do once elected, falls into the scope of how our system works. I don't think he could have spoken any plainer and I do think he is honest.
A president can only get a handful of large things done in a term or two. Even Reagan, the icon of conservatism was merely, at the end of the day, a piece in our national puzzle; not a king or dictator. He and congress got Graham/Rudman into law; every new dollar in taxes was to be offset by a dollar cut in spending. He could not make them stick to it and he, by signing, passed plenty of spending bills that flew into the face of G/R.
But, Reagan did accomplish a few major things; tax cuts, win the cold war, rebuild American optimism and spirit. Look at Clinton. He was so busy with small things he didn't get ANYTHING substantial done. But he did accomplish his main goal; to have played the most rounds of golf of any president.
That's not excuse making. It's just a dose of reality.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
That's a very good...
...point. That is the backbone of economic policy for any president; as long as the holders of that debt are comfortable that their debt is safe, we're in decent shape. So, all the variables of money policy go to serve that interest first and foremost.
No 2a, he's correct. It's about 25% foreign held.
MMDad said:
...point. That is the backbone of economic policy for any president; as long as the holders of that debt are comfortable that their debt is safe, we're in decent shape. So, all the variables of money policy go to serve that interest first and foremost.
No 2a, he's correct. It's about 25% foreign held.
MMDad
Lem Putt
2ndAmendment said:
We went through this in January. Post 14 has a link.
http://forums.somd.com/showthread.php?p=1862801
PsyOps
Pixelated
Thanks for clarifying. I guess I’m just not in the practice of calling people stupid. I can’t expect everyone to take the time (like I do) to do their homework. I believe it falls more in the lines of laziness and ignorance.2ndAmendment said:
And I think we have seen from some of our past presidents (that have been deemed so intelligent, Rhodes Scholars and such) what worth you can place in the IQ scale. I’m sure both of us can attest to seeing some of the most intelligent people live the most unintelligent lives. Intelligence without wisdom is useless.