Tyrants in Maryland do it again

[Bustem' Down]

Through consumer pressure car makers should be forced to make more hybrids or alternative (low-emissions) fueled cars. The government should not be forcing private companies what products to make. We, as a collective consumer, should be demanding it.

And in turn, through consumer pressure, bar owners should be forced into making smoke free environments. The government should not be forcing private companies to alter their environments.

 

[mAlice]

Did you stay?

Of course he did. He wanted to hang around all the fun people. That's why non smokers go to bars. I guess they'll stop going now that all the fun people are banned.

 

[PsyOps]

There are health consequenses for the non drinker, Someone who doesn't have an STD, or pedestrians, but we don't ban alcohol, unprotected sex, and driving.

What are the health consequences for the non-drinker?

The difference is if I walk out in a busy road and I may get hit; it was my choice and no one else is affected by that (well except my family). Two people having sex take the risk knowing they could transmit STDs; it was their choice. Smoking, on the other hand, does affect those that don't smoke. The non-smokers doesn't have the choice (as in my Outback example I used earlier).

We do ban alcohol from anyone under 21. Only certain establishments (with a license) can serve alcohol. And one can be convicted of a crime for serving alcohol to someone under 21. So you are only partially right about that.

 

[mAlice]

What are the health consequences for the non-drinker?

The difference is if I walk out in a busy road and I may get hit; it was my choice and no one else is affected by that (well except my family). Two people having sex take the risk knowing they could transmit STDs; it was their choice. Smoking, on the other hand, does affect those that don't smoke. The non-smokers doesn't have the choice (as in my Outback example I used earlier).

We do ban alcohol from anyone under 21. Only certain establishments (with a license) can serve alcohol. And one can be convicted of a crime for serving alcohol to someone under 21. So you are only partially right about that.

You have got to be the biggest box of rocks I have ever seen on the forums.

 

[DoWhat]

You have got to be the biggest box of rocks I have ever seen on the forums.

Actually, there are quite a few on here.

 

[Larry Gude]

If A Private Place...

Smoking, on the other hand, does affect those that don't smoke. The non-smokers doesn't have the choice (as in my Outback example I used earlier).

...SAYS ON THE FRONT DOOR;

"We allow smoking, cussing, loud music, cheap perfume and awkward pick up lines"

...and you go in, YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO DO SO.

If you do not go in, you have chosen to do so.

 

[PsyOps]

And in turn, through consumer pressure, bar owners should be forced into making smoke free environments. The government should not be forcing private companies to alter their environments.

Ahhh... my argument comes to fruition. Finally.

 

[PsyOps]

You have got to be the biggest box of rocks I have ever seen on the forums.

Are you going to constribute anything of substance or just take cheap pokes at me?

 

[mAlice]

Are you going to constribute anything of substance or just take cheap pokes at me?

Call it cheap all ya' want. I call 'em as I see 'em. You've proven that you can't possibly grasp the concept of sharing the world.

 

[Bustem' Down]

What are the health consequences for the non-drinker?

The difference is if I walk out in a busy road and I may get hit; it was my choice and no one else is affected by that (well except my family). Two people having sex take the risk knowing they could transmit STDs; it was their choice. Smoking, on the other hand, does affect those that don't smoke. The non-smokers doesn't have the choice (as in my Outback example I used earlier).

We do ban alcohol from anyone under 21. Only certain establishments (with a license) can serve alcohol. And one can be convicted of a crime for serving alcohol to someone under 21. So you are only partially right about that.

But you do have a choice of not going to an establishment that has smoking. You are exerting your consumer influence, like in your other statement. You have as much choice of not going to establishments that have smokers as you do of not driving, of not having sex.

 

[PsyOps]

...SAYS ON THE FRONT DOOR;

"We allow smoking, cussing, loud music, cheap perfume and awkward pick up lines"

...and you go in, YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO DO SO.

If you do not go in, you have chosen to do so.

Yes.

If I am walking into WlaMart and I happen to get behind someone that is smoking in the parking lot I have the choice to move away from them but then I am being forced to go where I don't want to accommodate that smoker. Not too big of a deal in reality but I still am limited in my choices aren’t I? If I am in the non-smoking part of Outback and just on the other side of the partition is the smoking section and someone lights up and that person’s smoke is drifting into the non-smoking section that non-smoking section has now become the smoking section hasn’t it?

 

[ylexot]

If I am walking into WlaMart and I happen to get behind someone that is smoking in the parking lot I have the choice to move away from them but then I am being forced to go where I don't want to accommodate that smoker. Not too big of a deal in reality but I still am limited in my choices aren’t I?

So, now you don't want to people to smoke anywhere that you might be at any point in time...but it's not a ban!

If I am in the non-smoking part of Outback and just on the other side of the partition is the smoking section and someone lights up and that person’s smoke is drifting into the non-smoking section that non-smoking section has now become the smoking section hasn’t it?

That's when you tell them that their non-smoking section is inadequate and you won't be coming back because of it. :shrug:

 

[Midnightrider]

Yes.

If I am walking into WlaMart and I happen to get behind someone that is smoking in the parking lot I have the choice to move away from them but then I am being forced to go where I don't want to accommodate that smoker. Not too big of a deal in reality but I still am limited in my choices aren’t I? If I am in the non-smoking part of Outback and just on the other side of the partition is the smoking section and someone lights up and that person’s smoke is drifting into the non-smoking section that non-smoking section has now become the smoking section hasn’t it?

Then you go to a restuarnat that has a true nonsmoking section.....

 

[PsyOps]

Call it cheap all ya' want. I call 'em as I see 'em. You've proven that you can't possibly grasp the concept of sharing the world.

Awww, how sweet that you want to share your putrid smoke with me.

 

[mAlice]

If I am walking into WlaMart and I happen to get behind someone that is smoking in the parking lot I have the choice to move away from them but then I am being forced to go where I don't want to accommodate that smoker. Not too big of a deal in reality but I still am limited in my choices aren’t I?

That was me. I'm forced to smoke in the parking lots because I'm not allowed to smoke anywhere else.

You're welcome.

 

[mAlice]

Awww, how sweet that you want to share your putrid smoke with me.

It was entirely my pleasure!

 

[PsyOps]

So, now you don't want to people to smoke anywhere that you might be at any point in time...but it's not a ban!

That's when you tell them that their non-smoking section is inadequate and you won't be coming back because of it. :shrug:

You landed right into my point. Smokers are claiming they have to make all these adjustments and their choices are limited, but in this instance my choices just got limited. I happen to love eating at Outback but now I probably wont.

 

[mAlice]

I happen to love eating at Outback but now I probably wont.

You can go anywhere you want once the smoking ban goes into effect. It's the smokers who no longer have a choice.

 

[ylexot]

You landed right into my point. Smokers are claiming they have to make all these adjustments and their choices are limited, but in this instance my choices just got limited. I happen to love eating at Outback but now I probably wont.

I don't remember seeing any smokers say that their choice in restaurants is limited. With the ban, they have no choice at all.

Choice involves weighing pros and cons...like the food more than the annoyance of smoke, you choose to go there. Like the food less than the annoyance of smoke, you choose not to go there. Easy peasy.

 

[itsbob]

Move to NC, where there are no "no-smoking" areas..

Go to Ruby Tuesdays, and they don't ask you smoking or no smoking.. it's ALL smoking.. and on the way out, the mint basket? No mints, matches.