U.S. Army suicides in 2007 up...........

[nhboy]

U.S. Army suicides in 2007 show sizable increase from 2006

"WASHINGTON: As many as 121 U.S. Army soldiers committed suicide in 2007, a jump of about 20 percent over the year before, officials said Thursday.

The rise came despite numerous efforts to improve the mental health of a force stressed by a longer-than-expected war in Iraq and the most deadly year yet in the six-year conflict in Afghanistan.

Internal briefing papers prepared by the army's psychiatry consultant this month showed there were 89 confirmed suicides last year and 32 deaths that were suspected suicides and are still under investigation.

Thirty-four happened during deployments in Iraq, an increase from 27 the previous year, according to the preliminary figures."

U.S. Army suicides in 2007 show sizable increase from 2006 - International Herald Tribune

 

[MMDad]

"WASHINGTON: As many as 121 U.S. Army soldiers committed suicide in 2007, a jump of about 20 percent over the year before, officials said Thursday.

Out of 500,000 soldiers, do you find this significant? Is it surprising to you that the Army rate is consistent with the rate for the general population age 19-24?

There's no doubt that the stress of long deployments and combat would increase the risk of suicide, yet it is no more prevelant than their peers safe at home.

Sounds to me like the Army is doing a pretty damn good job!

 

[Lenny]

Sounds to me like the Army is doing a pretty damn good job!

Unless, of course, you have it hard for the current President and his policies. Then you can find anything you want. The rates are lower than they have been in the past but nobody looks at those bad old days.

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

U.S. Army suicides in 2007 show sizable increase from 2006

"WASHINGTON: As many as 121 U.S. Army soldiers committed suicide in 2007, a jump of about 20 percent over the year before, officials said Thursday.

The rise came despite numerous efforts to improve the mental health of a force stressed by a longer-than-expected war in Iraq and the most deadly year yet in the six-year conflict in Afghanistan.

Internal briefing papers prepared by the army's psychiatry consultant this month showed there were 89 confirmed suicides last year and 32 deaths that were suspected suicides and are still under investigation.

Thirty-four happened during deployments in Iraq, an increase from 27 the previous year, according to the preliminary figures."

U.S. Army suicides in 2007 show sizable increase from 2006 - International Herald Tribune

Instead of minimizing this kind of tragedy we need to look at the bigger picture.

If "121" commit suicide then it is reasoned that many others attempted suicide, and many MANY more have considered doing it but decided not to or were stopped in some way.

That figuring comes from similar facts like when 3,000 soldiers have been killed in combat then some 30,000 have been wounded and some 100,000 have had near death experiences.

Military suicides simply does NOT compare with the civilian population because the civilians have high risk groups like the elderly and minors and less supervision, while the military have personel that have passed qualifying exams.

 

[Lenny]

Military suicides simply does NOT compare with the civilian population because the civilians have high risk groups like the elderly and minors and less supervision, while the military have personel that have passed qualifying exams.

You really are a stupid fukc aren't you? Go to the library and read up on normalized data then come back and post your tripe.

 

[jenbengen]

Out of 500,000 soldiers, do you find this significant? Is it surprising to you that the Army rate is consistent with the rate for the general population age 19-24?

There's no doubt that the stress of long deployments and combat would increase the risk of suicide, yet it is no more prevelant than their peers safe at home.

Sounds to me like the Army is doing a pretty damn good job!

We had a friend who committed suicide in the Army last year. He was 35, not in the 19-24 group. I love the military, my husband is in it, and think they do as good of a job as they can with the resources available, but I have personally seen some go to combat that maybe shouldn't. But it's not the Army's fault- they do the best they can given the situation. Over a year in a war zone can do crazy things to a person. They would do more if given the resources and funding. I don't think they are turning a blind eye to it. These men that kill themselves are our friends...they aren't ignoring it.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

Out of 500,000 soldiers, do you find this significant? Is it surprising to you that the Army rate is consistent with the rate for the general population age 19-24?

There's no doubt that the stress of long deployments and combat would increase the risk of suicide, yet it is no more prevelant than their peers safe at home.

Sounds to me like the Army is doing a pretty damn good job!

you should link to the statistics thread...

 

[MMDad]

you should link to the statistics thread...

It's almost like I read this story yesterday, and NHBoy is a day late.

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

You really are a stupid xxxx aren't you? Go to the library and read up on normalized data then come back and post your tripe.

This "Lenny" can not even cut-down a person above a 7th grade level.

Where is my "T_p" ? the slanderor that ask all the repetitive questions?

Come "T_p" as "Lenny" needs thy assistance, "whear fort art thou??"

 

[Bustem' Down]

Military suicides simply does NOT compare with the civilian population because the civilians have high risk groups like the elderly and minors and less supervision, while the military have personel that have passed qualifying exams.

This is just stupid and incorrect, but you wouldn't know that because you've never even seen the military. So just to clarify things, your statement is completely false.

 

[MMDad]

This is just stupid and incorrect, but you wouldn't know that because you've never even seen the military. So just to clarify things, your statement is completely false.

The highest suicide rate is the 19-24 YO bracket. Adding the elderly and children in would skew the data down, not up like the deadbeat claims.

 

[Bustem' Down]

The highest suicide rate is the 19-24 YO bracket. Adding the elderly and children in would skew the data down, not up like the deadbeat claims.

That and any phyciatric (sp?) eval a member may get upon entry into the military would be basic at best. There is no regular evaluations conducted unless the member has show consistent mental issues.

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

The highest suicide rate is the 19-24 YO bracket. Adding the elderly and children in would skew the data down, not up like the deadbeat claims.

The ONLY link given in the original post does not say that 19-24 year old as it includes all US Army suicides.

And there are no children or elderly in the Army to "skew the data down" as the "Dad" claims.

And there are no other links given.

 

[Bustem' Down]

Military suicides simply does NOT compare with the civilian population because the civilians have high risk groups like the elderly and minors and less supervision, while the military have personel that have passed qualifying exams.

He was refering to this part of your quote which I responed to as asinine. You can't even follow a conversation so why do you try and join it?

 

[Go G-Men]

Military suicides simply does NOT compare with the civilian population because the civilians have high risk groups like the elderly and minors and less supervision, while the military have personel that have passed qualifying exams.

WHAT THE HE!! do you know about qualifying exams in the US Military? Have you served? As a matter of fact, there is no qualifying exam given by the military that can specifically determine if you are gonna commit or attempt suicide. We (yes I served for 22 years) are screened for obvious mental issues but nothing more.

Suicides are a common problem in the military each and every year and unfortunately will probably continue to be.

Do us all a favor JPC... Do not try to talk intelligently (haha) about things you know nothing about...

 

[Lenny]

This "Lenny" can not even cut-down a person above a 7th grade level.

Where is my "T_p" ? the slanderor that ask all the repetitive questions?

Come "T_p" as "Lenny" needs thy assistance, "whear fort art thou??"

Christ, you can't even compose a complete logical sentence. The Neurosyphilis must be entering terminal stages. Tell me, have your visions,....Oh, nevermind.

 

[Go G-Men]

The ONLY link given in the original post does not say that 19-24 year old as it includes all US Army suicides.

And there are no children or elderly in the Army to "skew the data down" as the "Dad" claims.

And there are no other links given.

The Army's suicide rate for 1991 was 14.3 per 100,000 soldiers, higher than the national rate of 12.6 per 100,000 people, the newspaper said, citing a review of military records.

18% Rise in Suicides in the Army Is Found Between 1987 and 1991 - New York Times


In 1991 the rate increased 14.3%... Gee i wonder why that happened... President Bush did own a baseball team then so that might have contributed...

 

[MMDad]

And there are no children or elderly in the Army to "skew the data down" as the "Dad" claims.

I don't know why I bother trying to explain this to someone who is mentally ill, but here goes.

You said:

the civilians have high risk groups like the elderly and minors

I stated that the groups you named have lower rates, so your logic is flawed. Do you understand now?

Here's my prediction: you "stand behind everything you said" even though the posts contradict each other.

If you admit you were wrong, I'll vote for you.

 

[clevalley]

The Army's suicide rate for 1991 was 14.3 per 100,000 soldiers, higher than the national rate of 12.6 per 100,000 people, the newspaper said, citing a review of military records.

18% Rise in Suicides in the Army Is Found Between 1987 and 1991 - New York Times


In 1991 the rate increased 14.3%... Gee i wonder why that happened... President Bush did own a baseball team then so that might have contributed...

In 2005 the rate for ALL suicides was 11 per 100,000 - not sure of the breakdown in 19 -24 range which would be higher I imagine... so the Army is not that far off from National numbers...

 

[Go G-Men]

In 2005 the rate for ALL suicides was 11 per 100,000 - not sure of the breakdown in 19 -24 range which would be higher I imagine... so the Army is not that far off from National numbers...

No the numbers are similar but if you hate President Bush and thats all you can think of like JPC... you can skew the number anyway you want...

Of course all politicians do this and JPC wants to be a politician... except most true politicians spin the number so they seem correct whereas JPC just isn't smart enough to spin it without pointing out his obvious distaste for PRESIDENT Bush...