U.S. Army suicides in 2007 up...........
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JPC sr
James P. Cusick Sr.
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Reference post #1 of this thread = 2006 - 2007.
Well yeah - but there is no data on CDC for 2006 and 2007... I was saying the 2005 number was not too far off - but digging a bit deeper (really bored here)........
There is a sheet American Association of Suicidology - Dedicated to the Understanding and Prevention of Suicide which show age groups broken down from 1999 - 2005... interesting that the numbers are a few points higher as people get older, then after 50 it drops down to lows at 65 - 74 then spikes WAY up... very sinusoidal. To boot - suicide is higher in White Males vice Black Males... more than 2x!
Also - male suicide rate is much higher than the national average...
The whole comparing the Army to National Averages is comparing apples to oranges... the same ratio's of male/female and whites/blacks is just not there to support a conclusion... you would have to break down age/race/sex ratios and do the same to statistical data for 2006 across the nation to even draw a conclusion...
Lenny
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JPC sr
James P. Cusick Sr.
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I believe that many of the soldiers have an education like our "Lenny" here, so that petty name calling and profanity and never a coherant thought is all they get out of their educations.
The people do not have morality or strength of character and so suicide becomes their only option.
Those soldiers needed to openly defy their superiors and just say "no" and openly refuse to fight or support Bush's immoral wars.
Many people see patriotism as a virtue and that serving the military is superior to their own moral conscience and they are mistaken big time.
The immoralities of the Bush administration has turned us all into a criminal Country.
I believe that many of the soldiers have an education like our "Lenny" here, so that petty name calling and profanity and never a coherant thought is all they get out of their educations.The people do not have morality or strength of character and so suicide becomes their only option.
Those soldiers needed to openly defy their superiors and just say "no" and openly refuse to fight or support Bush's immoral wars.
Many people see patriotism as a virtue and that serving the military is superior to their own moral conscience and they are mistaken big time.
The immoralities of the Bush administration has turned us all into a criminal Country.
Go G-Men
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I am in agreement with you...
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I know... Did not mean to suggest we were not in agreement..
MMDad
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Go G-Men
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The people do not have morality or strength of character and so suicide becomes their only option.
Those soldiers needed to openly defy their superiors and just say "no" and openly refuse to fight or support Bush's immoral wars.
Many people see patriotism as a virtue and that serving the military is superior to their own moral conscience and they are mistaken big time.
The immoralities of the Bush administration has turned us all into a criminal Country.
These soldiers were not weak... Don't act as if you know what they were going through or what they were thinking...
It galls me when people assume they know what someone has been through and what there reasons were for suicide. I would imagine, and this purely speculative, that most of these soldiers did not kill themselves because JPC thinks that the Bush administration is wrong... More likely they had a hard time dealing with the horrors of war and that was probably compounded by coming home to family situations that may not have been the best.
JPC: Here is a coherent thought for you... Serve your country or maybe just serve your children in this life and than come back here and talk about morality or strength..
Otherwise your are just another loser outsider who spews opinion without having the experience or the knowledge to do so.
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RadioPatrol
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The people do not have morality or strength of character and so suicide becomes their only option.
Those soldiers needed to openly defy their superiors and just say "no" and openly refuse to fight or support Bush's immoral wars.
Many people see patriotism as a virtue and that serving the military is superior to their own moral conscience and they are mistaken big time.
The immoralities of the Bush administration has turned us all into a criminal Country.
Oh so your education somehow makes you superior to the rest of us, should we all bow and grovel @ his Lordships Feet ..........
When someone Enlists they swear an oath:
( something you would apparently know nothing about ) so NO just because your political beliefs don't agree with the current mission you do not have a right to disobey because you don't agree ...... you never had the "Right" to disobey Orders from you commanders and the President.
Apparently you have a problem with people being Patriotic ?
Believing in something greater than ones self ...... Oh thats right you think Christians are evil and Islam / Old Mo were a good thing for this world ....
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godsbutterfly
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The people do not have morality or strength of character and so suicide becomes their only option.
Those soldiers needed to openly defy their superiors and just say "no" and openly refuse to fight or support Bush's immoral wars.
Many people see patriotism as a virtue and that serving the military is superior to their own moral conscience and they are mistaken big time.
The immoralities of the Bush administration has turned us all into a criminal Country.
Maybe the soldiers who are fighting and watching their fellow soldiers die serving the United States somehow manage to read your Treasonists posts and it is leading to increased depression mixed with having to fight their outraged desire to desert their posts and come strangle you.
JPC sr
James P. Cusick Sr.
Deadbeat child support resister.
So none of the above posters (excluding my own) have any concept of "personal conscience".
Link here = Human Conscience
We are NOT to follow the immoral and criminal orders of our worldly leaders.
We have a duty to defy the immoral commands,
one can do civil disobediance against criminal demands.
That would be more noble and more effective then committing suicide.
So none of the above posters (excluding my own) have any concept of "personal conscience".Link here = Human Conscience
We are NOT to follow the immoral and criminal orders of our worldly leaders.
We have a duty to defy the immoral commands,
one can do civil disobediance against criminal demands.
That would be more noble and more effective then committing suicide.
Go G-Men
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Link here = Human Conscience
We are NOT to follow the immoral and criminal orders of our worldly leaders.
We have a duty to defy the immoral commands,
one can do civil disobediance against criminal demands.
That would be more noble and more effective then committing suicide.
The real beauty in all this gibberish from you is this:
Those same soldiers who committed suicide gave you the right to civilized disobedience and to praise (as you say) President Hussein and put down Mr. Bush...
As a soldier (which you cannot grasp), one shall not follow unlawful orders which would normally fall into the immoral or criminal orders category. Our refusal to follow orders cannot be based on personal opinion (like in your case) it has to be based on factual information.
P.S. Just because the Washington Post or Move-on writes it that does not make it factual..
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RadioPatrol
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Immoral by whose standards ?
yeah well your measure of Immoral and mine are vastly different
I paid my child support and still pay for the children still not Adults yet
Link here = Human Conscience
We are NOT to follow the immoral and criminal orders of our worldly leaders.
We have a duty to defy the immoral commands,
one can do civil disobediance against criminal demands.
That would be more noble and more effective then committing suicide.
I do not think you have the right to judge those who have been where you have never been, yet are willing to protect same those rights that you demand are yours.
If any soldier were to follow your precepts, not only would he/she be violating his oath of duty, but by his actions would be disruptive to the team effort needed for all to survive. That in itself would be criminal if not catastrophic to the unit itself and therefore, unacceptable.
If a soldier has questions as to morality, he goes to the chaplain, explains his objections and leaves it in the hands of that capable individual. Barring that, he goes to his next number in the chain of command and so on. If he follows what you suggest, then he loses the confidence of his fellow soldiers, causes further disruption in the unit, with all the consequences mentioned above. Can you live with that ? If you can, you definitely deserve to live elsewhere.
There are no unions in the services. The Europeans, particularly the Dutch and Belgians, had them for awhile, but it caused severe discipline problems.
The armed forces are not a democracy and most of us who serve or served. accept that. We accept the fact that discipline and the sense of brotherhood you will never understand is needed for the welfare of the unit to exist in the most extreme conditions. That is why what you advocate is unacceptable , period.
It is easy in a safe and orderly world to say what we should do, but it is not that kind of world, so why don't YOU show some respect to those that are providing you with the security for those rights.