U.S. warplanes pound Baghdad

[clevalley]

We had a big discussion about this on Tuesday here at work. There are many factors involved in this, like Americans having a strong moral fabric, a sense of ownership, and an obligation to the country for the freedoms we benefit from everyday. The largest factor in the support for wars before Vietnam was the lack of media involved in the fight. Before Vietnam we could keep the media out of the warzone and limit the badnews that came home. People didn't have to see the ugly side of war. "War is hell" was something every knew, but didn't see it every morning in every form out media accessible to human eyes and ears.

Today, entities with their own political agendas and funding, spin the media in such a way that weak minded people, cowards, and people who generally just can't take living with bad news eat it up and spend their lives trying to prevent things that they literally have no part in. When someone starts to complain about the government or the war in my earshot, I always ask them if they have A. served their country, B. been to the location that they are spewing their rhetoric on, and C. if they had what their role was.

I ask this because anyone who has served in the warzone, I mean literally served, not in the "rear with the gear" but been out on patrol and stumbled on mass graves of innocent people who were slaughtered because of their tribe affiliation, religion, or ethnic background, knows that those who can should. If someone still can't wrap their peabrain around that idea, then watch Spiderman, "With great power comes great responsiblity." Six years olds can grasp this concept, why can't functioning adults. Doing the right thing doesn't mean doing the popular thing all the time, and it takes a strong person to go against the grain to do something they believe to be right.

Innocent casualities happen, it is without a question the most tragic aspect of war. The number of Iraqi's that have died due to suicide bombings and murder squads is astronomical. I don't have the figure so I won't try to guess. That being said, I find it unfathomable that people actually believe it would stop with the pull out of America. I really question what makes people who think like this tick. Are they just that arrogant to think the enemy is that simple? Are they that simple to trust a known enemy? When Russia finally pulled out of Afghanistan, it became a haven for extremeist and it ceased to be a country, but a literal large area terrorist training camp. Women are still to this day savagely beaten and abused, sometimes to the point of death, the sexual abuse of children is as common as the abuse of females, and terrorist travel freely through the country with the help of the Pakistani border.

Do you honestly believe that if we left Iraq this would end? The innocent people who have lost their life as a result of war, when they are ethnical cleansed, or murdered because of civil war, does this make it better because it's "not our problem" that kind of thinking is the real tragedy here.

I am just so tired of hearing this BS spewed fourth from people who have never contributed a thing to this country they love to criticize....

Sorry for the rant.

Spot on dude!

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

Today, entities with their own political agendas and funding, spin the media in such a way that weak minded people, cowards, and people who generally just can't take living with bad news eat it up and spend their lives trying to prevent things that they literally have no part in.

So says this poster: it must be the strong minded, brave persons, those that can take the negative news, are doing the real living when the report as told in the first post of this thread link HERE says that the American military are bombing civilian housing and killing every person being men, women and children, without trial or calling the police but just summary execution of Iraq citizens while our military has already overthown the gov and occupied the Country.

It takes a far gone switch to see Americans as weak minded cowards for denouncing the murder of Iraq citizens, and the strong brave feel it is just fine to murder citizens without trial or due process or even to allow the women and children to go free while they murder the adult males.

The real criminals are in the Bush administration and our soldiers will have to live with the memories of the atrocities.

 

[thurley42]

So says this poster

you are right so says me, i've seen war in places you probably have no clue exist.

It takes a far gone switch to see Americans as weak minded cowards for denouncing the murder of Iraq citizens

Don't spin it....I wasn't talking about Americans...I was talking about you...

The real criminals are in the Bush administration and our soldiers will have to live with the memories of the atrocities.

You wouldn't know an atrocity if it reached up and smacked you in the mouth. So let me help you...it's an atrocity that i have to listen to your crap....so I'm done.

 

[bcp]

So a large area with men, women and children are just bombed into American execution without any trial or jury and no due process of law at all.

And it says this is a retaliation strike because of the 6 American soldiers being killed.

So now it is innocent blood covering the caskets of American soldiers.

I do not see how any of us can be proud of such a barbaric report.

dont you have a campaign to lose or something?

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

If you can read, why do you refer to this particular bombing as "carpet bombing"? Do you understand the difference between a surgical strike of bombing and carpet bombing?

It seems to me that there are few people like this one that will try to argue about the type of execution like that makes any difference at all.

The film shows Americans bombing houses and reports 40,000 pounds of bombs on to civilian housing and so if those people were murdered by a "carpet" bombing or if it was a "surgical" bombing is kind of like pointless.

Unless T_p wants to argue that one type of execution of untried citizens is more cruel or unusual then the other type of execution, then I would say it makes sense to me.

In fact the concept of killing innocent citizens (collateral damage) by the so-called "carpet bombing" is more acceptable, compared to killing innocent untried citizens with a precision surgical strike because the latter is more attuned to the concept of first degree intentional murder then is the former.

 

[This_person]

It seems to me that there are few people like this one that will try to argue about the type of execution like that makes any difference at all.

The film shows Americans bombing houses and reports 40,000 pounds of bombs on to civilian housing and so if those people were murdered by a "carpet" bombing or if it was a "surgical" bombing is kind of like pointless.

Unless T_p wants to argue that one type of execution of untried citizens is more cruel or unusual then the other type of execution, then I would say it makes sense to me.

In fact the concept of killing innocent citizens (collateral damage) by the so-called "carpet bombing" is more acceptable, compared to killing innocent untried citizens with a precision surgical strike because the latter is more attuned to the concept of first degree intentional murder then is the former.

One kills indiscriminantly, one does everything possible to only remove the terrorist scum. If you can't see that, I feel pity for you.

 

[godsbutterfly]

"Two B-1 bombers and four F-16 fighter jets struck more than 40 al Qaeda targets in three zones of Arab Jabour, a lush district just south of the capital that has become a haven for fighters driven out of other areas."

JPC - where does it say that there were a bunch of innocent civilians there? It doesn't. That was a carefully planned and executed attack. Should we have gone door to door asking "Now which one of you executed our 6 Americans?" Somehow I don't see that working for us. We are still at war whether you choose to acknowledge it or not and the ones we are fighting are merciless in their style of fighting and in whom they attack. This is not a game and you need to choose a side. If it is not America you might want to decide if you actually belong here and why you are running for a political office for a country you don't support.

 

[RadioPatrol]

That is called "terrorism" by Americans against the Iraq populaltion.

No trial, no jury, just summary execution by the occupying army.

Wars don't have Trials and Jurys Richard Head

 

[chernmax]

It seems to me that there are few people like this one that will try to argue about the type of execution like that makes any difference at all.

The film shows Americans bombing houses and reports 40,000 pounds of bombs on to civilian housing and so if those people were murdered by a "carpet" bombing or if it was a "surgical" bombing is kind of like pointless.

Unless T_p wants to argue that one type of execution of untried citizens is more cruel or unusual then the other type of execution, then I would say it makes sense to me.

In fact the concept of killing innocent citizens (collateral damage) by the so-called "carpet bombing" is more acceptable, compared to killing innocent untried citizens with a precision surgical strike because the latter is more attuned to the concept of first degree intentional murder then is the former.

Hey you're right, the soldiers could have just as easily knocked on the door and told them to give up...

Oh and your still an idiot!!!

 

[Plan B]

So says this poster

you are right so says me, i've seen war in places you probably have no clue exist.

It takes a far gone switch to see Americans as weak minded cowards for denouncing the murder of Iraq citizens

Don't spin it....I wasn't talking about Americans...I was talking about you...

The real criminals are in the Bush administration and our soldiers will have to live with the memories of the atrocities.

You wouldn't know an atrocity if it reached up and smacked you in the mouth. So let me help you...it's an atrocity that i have to listen to your crap....so I'm done.

Excluding the insults, thanks for posting this.
In retrospect, it will come down to the concsious of the American fighting man. But some non-combatants will still inssit that innocent dead were just part of the price of 'freedom'.
And oil.

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

One kills indiscriminantly, one does everything possible to only remove the terrorist scum. If you can't see that, I feel pity for you.

The point has to do with the fact that it was a housing community in Baghdad and not an enemy fortress.

When Jesus had pity it was wonderful thing, but your kind of "pity" is utterly and completely worthless.

The people in the housing were not attacking anyone, they were not shooting at anyone, and the report shows the American military attacking in surprise and throwing the precision bombs into houses killing everyone without any regard to being innocent or women and children and the report only shows an American massacre of Iraq citizens.

And even if the propaganda were true that those were "Al-Quaeda" then those were not fighting or shooting at anyone. So it could be Al-Quaeda secretaries, and Al-Queda children, or even Al-Quaeda hostages, but NO, all the people inside each of the buildings attacked without provocation and not fighting back were all executed without Judge or trial or justice - just execution by "precision bombs" that directly kills all the people in each of the homes.

I give little blame to the American soldiers because the orders and the real atrocity came from the Bush administration.

 

[Ken King]

The point has to do with the fact that it was a housing community in Baghdad and not an enemy fortress.

When Jesus had pity it was wonderful thing, but your kind of "pity" is utterly and completely worthless.

The people in the housing were not attacking anyone, they were not shooting at anyone, and the report shows the American military attacking in surprise and throwing the precision bombs into houses killing everyone without any regard to being innocent or women and children and the report only shows an American massacre of Iraq citizens.

And even if the propaganda were true that those were "Al-Quaeda" then those were not fighting or shooting at anyone. So it could be Al-Quaeda secretaries, and Al-Queda children, or even Al-Quaeda hostages, but NO, all the people inside each of the buildings attacked without provocation and not fighting back were all executed without Judge or trial or justice - just execution by "precision bombs" that directly kills all the people in each of the homes.

I give little blame to the American soldiers because the orders and the real atrocity came from the Bush administration.

If you think that the "enemy" we are facing in Iraq, Afghanistan, or elsewhere these days are using fortresses you are infinitely more dumb than what you have previously displayed. They are fanatical Islamic terrorists not affiliated with any specific government you moron.

What is the job you are seeking, the world's must stupid, idiotic, and ignorant person? You, I believe, are over qualified.

 

[Dork]

FYI - Attempting to logically explain something to JPC is like attempting to teach a pig to sing.
It accomplishes nothing except to annoy the pig

I totally agree. I think it's a big waste of time to type a few paragraphs to JPC. Nothing you say to him will convince him he's nuts. He proabably thinks he's normal. For the most part, I think he posts so much BS because thats the only attention he can get. Everyone talks to him. After all, his own family hates him. It's probably a very lonely world for him and these forums (not just SOMD) are his life. He likes to be the center of attention. He can't get it in real life, although he is trying with this election crap, so he has to get it here. It works. He gets lots of attention here.

He's a sad little man but he does keep things alive on these forums. I think we'll all miss him when they finally commit him to the looney farm and take away his computer.

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

If you think that the "enemy" we are facing in Iraq, Afghanistan, or elsewhere these days are using fortresses you are infinitely more dumb than what you have previously displayed. They are fanatical Islamic terrorists not affiliated with any specific government you moron.

What is the job you are seeking, the world's must stupid, idiotic, and ignorant person? You, I believe, are over qualified.

It was me that pointed out that the bombs landed on houses and homes and it was not a fortress at all.

The 40,000 pounds of American bombs were not dropped onto a fortress but onto the homes of Iraq citizens and that shows the crime of it.

Also claiming those were all Al-Queda has no merit either without a trial or due process of law which the American bombs did not provide as the arbitrary execution of citizens were going on.

The Al-Queda is not an army, they have no uniform, no identification as Al-Queda at all, in fact those people looked like innocent citizens and acted and dressed like regular Iraq citizens because that is what they were.

There was no fortress and no Al-Queda and not even any hostility there until the suprise attack where the American soldiers masacred the Iraq citizens.

Thus the fact remains that President Bush has a criminal administration.

 

[godsbutterfly]

It was me that pointed out that the bombs landed on houses and homes and it was not a fortress at all.

The 40,000 pounds of American bombs were not dropped onto a fortress but onto the homes of Iraq citizens and that shows the crime of it.

Also claiming those were all Al-Queda has no merit either without a trial or due process of law which the American bombs did not provide as the arbitrary execution of citizens were going on.

The Al-Queda is not an army, they have no uniform, no identification as Al-Queda at all, in fact those people looked like innocent citizens and acted and dressed like regular Iraq citizens because that is what they were.

There was no fortress and no Al-Queda and not even any hostility there until the suprise attack where the American soldiers masacred the Iraq citizens.

Thus the fact remains that President Bush has a criminal administration.

"Two B-1 bombers and four F-16 fighter jets struck more than 40 al Qaeda targets in three zones of Arab Jabour, a lush district just south of the capital that has become a haven for fighters driven out of other areas."

And this is me pointing out AGAIN that they DID NOT land in a civillian housing area! Reading is fundamental JPC!

 

[Ken King]

It was me that pointed out that the bombs landed on houses and homes and it was not a fortress at all.

The 40,000 pounds of American bombs were not dropped onto a fortress but onto the homes of Iraq citizens and that shows the crime of it.

Also claiming those were all Al-Queda has no merit either without a trial or due process of law which the American bombs did not provide as the arbitrary execution of citizens were going on.

The Al-Queda is not an army, they have no uniform, no identification as Al-Queda at all, in fact those people looked like innocent citizens and acted and dressed like regular Iraq citizens because that is what they were.

There was no fortress and no Al-Queda and not even any hostility there until the suprise attack where the American soldiers masacred the Iraq citizens.

Thus the fact remains that President Bush has a criminal administration.

No, the fact remains that you are an idiot. Al Qaeda isn't a military organization they are militant terrorists that the US Congress has demanded that the President deal with. It is Congress that has dictated the nature by which we are dealing with those criminals that dare to bring harm to our nation and citizens. That does not make his administration criminal in any way, shape, or form.

For clarity a criminal is what you see when you look into a mirror.