UI bennies curiousity

[Clem72]

Yep ... there should have been a cap based on last years salary .... if you made over X last yr NO Bonus UI

How does that make sense. So you paid more taxes last year, and presumably have higher living expenses, and are just as unemployed. But you don't get the bonus because you used to make a lot of money.

What would make more sense is if that extra $600 pushes you above what you made while employed the previous year then you don't get it.

 

[PrchJrkr]

And then you have the lay-abouts who when they were working, made roughly what they're being given by UI + FED$ that would rather not return to work when offered the chance. I've seen it first hand from a friend of my nephew. The guy made decent money for semi-skilled labor, but turned down the chance when his boss offered. He has a medical condition that has been mysteriously dormant, that is, until he was told to come back to work.

I'm more concerned with the $1200 stimulus check. That would just about take care of the property taxes this year.

 

[BernieP]

I agree 100 % .....


Yep ... there should have been a cap based on last years salary .... if you made over X last yr NO Bonus UI

First there is a cap on UI, you can only make so much, it's not a percentage of your salary.
Why do you want to penalize someone who made over say $45,000 from receiving the bonus. Unemployed is unemployed.
Saying that if you made so much money the year before means you aren't entitled to benefits that you have contributed to with your tax dollars would be no different than cancelling SSI for people who invested well and saved. Another step towards socialism. Punish the productive, lower the bar.

The argument is that employers are finding it hard to get their people back to work or hire workers because the extra $600 puts them over what they use to make - so why work.

The democrats want to move this to become a guaranteed universal income.

Vrai is right in one regard, Pelosi got her awy with the last bill, filled it was all kinds of gifts for organizations that should not have received a dime

 

[BernieP]

Raising minimum wage across the board isn't the answer, and in fact will cause the collapse of independently owned small businesses.

I'm thinking that big businesses should be required to have profit sharing for their employees, but that's off the top of my head and not thought out in any meaningful way.

No, a government set wage is just socialism and it causes more problems than it solves.
CEO compensation in the US is far higher than what CEOs in other countries earn. But it's driven by a cultural issue, long term growth or immediate return. That's a function of the owners, shareholders, you and me. When the investors start to ask for more long term growth and fair compensation for employees, then you will see better compensation for people under them.

 

[vraiblonde]

No, a government set wage is just socialism and it causes more problems than it solves.
CEO compensation in the US is far higher than what CEOs in other countries earn. But it's driven by a cultural issue, long term growth or immediate return. That's a function of the owners, shareholders, you and me. When the investors start to ask for more long term growth and fair compensation for employees, then you will see better compensation for people under them.

Unfortunately we've created a system where small locally owned businesses cannot compete against Big Corp in any way. Even if Mom & Pop could compete on price, Big Corp would just buy a few politicians to make laws in their favor and shut out competition. At some point workers will have no choice but to work for Big Corp, who can then pay them whatever they want because what are the workers gonna do about it?

We've been down this road, which is what led to unions. Then the unions became corrupt and political, so now what?

I mean, honestly, it's probably one of those "oh well" things that we peons can't do anything about.

 

[BernieP]

Unfortunately we've created a system where small locally owned businesses cannot compete against Big Corp in any way. Even if Mom & Pop could compete on price, Big Corp would just buy a few politicians to make laws in their favor and shut out competition. At some point workers will have no choice but to work for Big Corp, who can then pay them whatever they want because what are the workers gonna do about it?

We've been down this road, which is what led to unions. Then the unions became corrupt and political, so now what?

I mean, honestly, it's probably one of those "oh well" things that we peons can't do anything about.

Corporations should not be getting bailout "Corona' Money. They can raise capital in other ways.
I don't want to see government setting salaries, because it's going to be easier to the big guys to meet the wages even though it will sacrifice a few jobs. But it would absolutely kick small business in the ass.
Now where I do see a change in how people are paid is in the restaurant business. It's absorb that a waiter in a fine dining establishment is paid less an hour than McDonald's cashier. Don't give me they work for tips. We all know there are a lot of cheap, miserable people out there who treat them like crap and don't tip or tip well below any customary standard. Treating them a a food professional seems to work well in Europe. They should know their menu(s) and be able to help the diner through their dining experience. If you don't like your experience, you just don't go back.
If you have a serious complaint, take it up with the manager.

Unions have been corrupt as soon as they started to collect dues and positions in the union leadership paid better than work.
They have bought the Democratic Party lock stock and barrel. Who would ever had envisioned those blue collar, flag waiving union members supporting socialism and a bunch of flag burning, America hating thugs.

 

[DaSDGuy]

Prove that walmart has "spread more" cash to it's employees

Starting pay at Walmart is $11, moving to $12 by region. Not the $7.25 you mentioned.

 

[DaSDGuy]

you claimed CEOs were .... go for it

"Prove it". The standard response from the losing debate team in elementary school. Don't waste your time responding to a 4th grade mentality.

 

[GURPS]

"Prove it". The standard response from the losing debate team in elementary school. Don't waste your time responding to a 4th grade mentality.

OTOH ..... I use it on Skippy all the time, he spouts OPINION as Fact All The Time

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Except that most small business owners don't make much more than that themselves. If they had to pay their employees $15/hr, they'd have to raise prices to cover it. And since Walmart can buy in bulk from Chinese manufacturers using slave labor and already beats their prices, that means small business will go away and Big Box will take over more than it already has.

Raising minimum wage across the board isn't the answer, and in fact will cause the collapse of independently owned small businesses.

I'm thinking that big businesses should be required to have profit sharing for their employees, but that's off the top of my head and not thought out in any meaningful way.

Walmart does have profit sharing btw.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Unfortunately we've created a system where small locally owned businesses cannot compete against Big Corp in any way. Even if Mom & Pop could compete on price, Big Corp would just buy a few politicians to make laws in their favor and shut out competition. At some point workers will have no choice but to work for Big Corp, who can then pay them whatever they want because what are the workers gonna do about it?

We've been down this road, which is what led to unions. Then the unions became corrupt and political, so now what?

I mean, honestly, it's probably one of those "oh well" things that we peons can't do anything about.

This symptom is akin of the phrase we've all heard, "having a level playing field". Well there is no field. And if there were? It sure as hell isn't, and never was, level. Of your OP? "UI bennies curiosity". This is a way, a Band-Aid, to put fiat dollars into people's hands that will spend it to prop up the fake economy. Please, Vrai? Learn and understand what is the evil monstrosity known as the, Federal Reserve, really is. Every societal ill? Is a result of this devil worshiping organization. Read up on the gold, bi-metal, standard. Read of the creation of the Federal Reserve. ( a good start? The Creature of Jekyll Island). Read of the Bretton Woods agreement. Read of Nixon closing the gold window ending the Bretton Woods agreement. Research and learn. All your questions, will be answered by your own research.

 

[awpitt]

So that's what I'm thinking about today.

Well, you nailed it on this one. I must admit that my son was one of those who got paid more through UI than he does at his regular job. At least he didn't blow the money. He was smart about it. Took the oppurtunity to get maintenance done on his car and the rest is sitting in his savings. He's back at work now.

 

[Sneakers]

I had no need for mine at all. I gave it to someone who needed it who never received their stimulus.

 

[Clem72]

If I may ...


This symptom is akin of the phrase we've all heard, "having a level playing field". Well there is no field. And if there were? It sure as hell isn't, and never was, level. Of your OP? "UI bennies curiosity". This is a way, a Band-Aid, to put fiat dollars into people's hands that will spend it to prop up the fake economy. Please, Vrai? Learn and understand what is the evil monstrosity known as the, Federal Reserve, really is. Every societal ill? Is a result of this devil worshiping organization. Read up on the gold, bi-metal, standard. Read of the creation of the Federal Reserve. ( a good start? The Creature of Jekyll Island). Read of the Bretton Woods agreement. Read of Nixon closing the gold window ending the Bretton Woods agreement. Research and learn. All your questions, will be answered by your own research.

Are you the guy that used to post the "end the fed" signs all over town?

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Are you the guy that used to post the "end the fed" signs all over town?

Nope. But ask yourself why we allow a private banking cartel to issue our Nation's money, at interest, when we have the power, that is vested, enshrined, in the US Constitution, We the People, to do the same, without the added interest?

 

[BernieP]

Starting pay at Walmart is $11, moving to $12 by region. Not the $7.25 you mentioned.

I know only one Walmart employee well enough to comment.
But they like the company. Won't give details, but Walmart will work with an employee if they need to or want to relocate.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Are you the guy that used to post the "end the fed" signs all over town?

An additional thought.

It is not a difficult process for governments to simply remove the privilege of money creation from the banks, corporations and individuals who enjoy that privilege and restore it to The People, where it rightly should be. But its not as profitable for the criminals and politicians running and benefiting from the system.

Lord Rothschild explains it nicely:

“The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” ~The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

 

[GURPS]

Starting pay at Walmart is $11, moving to $12 by region. Not the $7.25 you mentioned.

WHAT ....


WalMart pays above the minimum