UNETHICAL policies. A review.

[Baja28]

Baja28 - I understand your point. I do. You believe in freedom to run your business as you choose. I respect that. I really really do. You believe strongly that companies run by free men should have the ability to do as they choose. That is a noble belief. My version is yes too as long as it's fair and ethical.

Answer my question earlier. Do you believe in cartels? Do you believe in price fixing? Do you believe in bait and switch? Do you believe in profiteering?

Please explain why you do or do not support each of those and then explain why.

What are you opinions on those?

Sorry Charlie, I'm not as long winded or have my panties in a wad like you do so the short and sweet answer is the Tackle Box is not a cartel, didn't price fix or bait and switch and didn't profiteer. You're too hard headed to get it so I'm going to move on now and leave you to whine about the great injustice you feel was bestowed upon you.

P.S. Your telling us to behave is amusing.

 

[Merlin99]

Thank you. Yes. To answer your question. I looked in to it about a week ago actually. To fulfill the conditions of the application you must own your own separate place of business that is in another location from your home and be able to secure it in a certain way. I assume that's why there are bars on the door at THE TACKLE BOX. I didn't read much further after that.

FFL was not meant for every citizen to have anyways. In the old days they called them 'Kitchen Table dealers' but they changed the rules making it harder for the average Joe to get one.

FFL was meant for businesses anyways. Sellers. Dealers. That sort of thing.

SG_Player1974 - Yea sorry but it was 'technically' disclosed to me up front. It took a little prying to get it out of the guy but he admitted it later on during our conversation.

But you ARE right with your point in a sense.

Nucklesack - You're being a jerk. Stop it. Act like a gentlemen. People are less inclined to read your post if it's hateful anyway.

Baja28 - I understand your point. I do. You believe in freedom to run your business as you choose. I respect that. I really really do. You believe strongly that companies run by free men should have the ability to do as they choose. That is a noble belief. My version is yes too as long as it's fair and ethical.

Answer my question earlier. Do you believe in cartels? Do you believe in price fixing? Do you believe in bait and switch? Do you believe in profiteering?

Please explain why you do or do not support each of those and then explain why.

What are you opinions on those?

You can use any existing business as your storefront. Most people know at least one business owner, liquor store, hardware store... these are perfectly legitimate sites as far as the FFL is concerned.

 

[Chestr]

Nah. You'll be back to respond. You can't help it and I know that.

I never asked you what THE TACKLE BOX was or was not. I am also starting to disbelieve the validity of any of your positions because I am beginning to feel that you've never opened a history book or law book in your whole life. Basically you're speaking out of your butt with no reference or experience which amounts to a hill of beans.

I asked you to define those things and tell me if you feel they should be legal or not. But you very obviously are avoiding the question.

Also I asume your parents taught you manners and respect. You should honor them by doing so and treating others how you wish to be treated. Personal attacks do not add to your position, as I said before. You resort to attack because you have no point or reference with which to retort other than gut feeling. I am also assuming that your next post will be a personal attack with more smileys and nothing more but that's just MY gut feeling.

Judging by your post count, I assume this is what you do often, or probably most every day. The math works out to roughly 10 posts per day for four years straight with no break anywhere. That's more than massive. I think you're just an internet addict who likes to fight to pass the time.

So lets go. Answer the question. And remember that during your answer you must stand by your position that the government has no right to interfere in private business. And please add some hint or semblance of fact to your response.

Ok go ahead. I'm ready.

 

[Chestr]

You can use any existing business as your storefront. Most people know at least one business owner, liquor store, hardware store... these are perfectly legitimate sites as far as the FFL is concerned.

That's very interesting. I will look in to that. Not that I would try. I don't know any business owners personally here. But your comment is worth some research. I'm going to call the ATF back and see what they say as well.

Thanks.

 

[Merlin99]

I never asked you what THE TACKLE BOX was or was not. I am also starting to disbelieve the validity of any of your positions because I am beginning to feel that you've never opened a history book or law book in your whole life. Basically you're speaking out of your butt with no reference or experience which amounts to a hill of beans.

I asked you to define those things and tell me if you feel they should be legal or not. But you very obviously are avoiding the question.

Also I asume your parents taught you manners and respect. You should honor them by doing so and treating others how you wish to be treated. Personal attacks do not add to your position, as I said before. You resort to attack because you have no point or reference with which to retort other than gut feeling. I am also assuming that your next post will be a personal attack with more smileys and nothing more but that's just MY gut feeling.

So lets go. Answer the question. And remember that during your answer you must stand by your position that the government has no right to interfere in private business. And please add some hint or semblance of fact to your response.

Ok go ahead. I'm ready.

Class,
Your assignment for this evening is to write a term paper stating your views on
A) Do you believe in cartels?
B) Do you believe in price fixing?
C) Do you believe in bait and switch?
D) Do you believe in profiteering?

Please explain why you do or do not support each of those and then explain why.

Do you really expect anyone to do this just because you wanted to see it. I was wondering when you were going to request footnotes and a bibliography.

 

[dave1959]

I've been reading this for several days now and find it time to enter my 2 cents worth and my view....

I see this senerio almost weekly in my business, Joe consumer wanted a product and did not like the prices he found locally so he went on line ( as many including myself do) to find the product at a more attractive price.. Now that he has purchased it he has found out that there are more costs involved in this purchase and now the overall price is not as good as he thought. So now instead of addmitting an oversight on his part he feels its better to bash the local merchant who is only trying to collect payment for a service rendered.

 

[Chestr]

Do you really expect anyone to do this just because you wanted to see it. I was wondering when you were going to request footnotes and a bibliography.

I was banking on the fact that neither of you would, yes.

It emphasizes your information is based primarily on conjecture and not fact (or more Baja's information because YOU seem to know at least a thing or two on the subject. That is... between the meaningless attacking. I wish you would write like a civilized human)

The bottom line is in the end I respect your opinion. You must respect mine. That's why there are Dems and GOP and Constitutionalists and Communist supporters.

Thank you for participating even though your conduct was less than satisfactory I still enjoyed the banter.

Oh, and dave1959, I got the same prescription glasses they had priced for around $350 and I paid around $35 with free shipping online. I do not see the mistake there?

Two more facts, the man from THE TACKLE BOX informed me of his policy even before I walked into the store. Furthermore, they didn't even have my item. We never even got to the point where I asked him how much it was. I simply felt that his store policy was unethical and felt that SOMD should know. Since he was attempting to force me to buy from him, I did not even entertain the idea.

Just so you know. Hope that clears things up for you a bit.

Later!

Thank you!

 

[SG_Player1974]

Good Luch with that....

Well.... my head is reeling from the stupidity in some of the responses and thought processes on this thread.
I just want to say good luck to all of you that have the "Oh well, I got screwed so I will just fix it myself" attitude. Good luck shelling out your own time and money.
I will continue however, to hold businesses and service providers accountable for their actions and ensure that they live up to the SERVICES THAT THEY WILLINGLY COMMIT TO PROVIDING!!!!!!
At least now I know why I get such horrible service at some establishments around here. Why should they care when they know that you, the consumer, will just "FIX IT YOURSELF!"

 

[Nucklesack]

Two more facts, the man from THE TACKLE BOX informed me of his policy even before I walked into the store. Furthermore, they didn't even have my item. We never even got to the point where I asked him how much it was. I simply felt that his store policy was unethical and felt that SOMD should know. Since he was attempting to force me to buy from him, I did not even entertain the idea.

And thats your idea of unethical? They told you ahead of time what their policy is. The fully disclosed it, and you had a choice on whether to continue business with them.

That is ethical

Whether you like the policy or not is a different matter but its not a discussion on Ethics.

If they hadnt disclosed it to you, continued to barter with you, and eventually disclosed the policy that would have been unethical

 

[Merlin99]

Well.... my head is reeling from the stupidity in some of the responses and thought processes on this thread.
I just want to say good luck to all of you that have the "Oh well, I got screwed so I will just fix it myself" attitude. Good luck shelling out your own time and money.
I will continue however, to hold businesses and service providers accountable for their actions and ensure that they live up to the SERVICES THAT THEY WILLINGLY COMMIT TO PROVIDING!!!!!!
At least now I know why I get such horrible service at some establishments around here. Why should they care when they know that you, the consumer, will just "FIX IT YOURSELF!"

Your going to throw a hissy fit every time a business tells you to take a walk? Good luck with that, I'm sure your going to hurt their feelings.

 

[Pushrod]

Your going to throw a hissy fit every time a business tells you to take a walk? Good luck with that, I'm sure your going to hurt their feelings.

How is holding a business accountable for their services bad? If they provide a bad or unethical service. Let others know and take your business elsewhere. A business such as that wont stay in business long, nor should it.

 

[TrueSOMDGirl]

Hello SOMD,

I've had a few raw deals in the past year and after my most recent adventure, I feel compelled to post here as an American consumer who believes in free commerce and ethical business practices and all the amazing freedom that they provide. I feel that it is my duty to reach out and pass on some free knowledge to the consumer so others may benefit from it.

So read on. It might even be interesting! I'd like to hope so.

My first Raw Deal happened when I and my 82 year old grandmother made appointments to BAYSHORE EYECARE for an eye exam. .

I also had a very bad experince with them as well. It was for my daughters prescription and they did the same thing. Maybe I should file a compliant. Do you know where complaint should be filed?

 

[TrueSOMDGirl]

IRT Bayshore Eyecare, I won't disagree with your assessment but, in their defense, a number of eyeglass providers including Walmart make the Pupillary Distance(PD) measurement as part of the fitting/sales process and don't routinely include the PD on the prescription. Many internet providers provide instructions on measuring PD. All you need is a ruler in millimeters and a mirror. Not a big deal.

IRT The Tackle Box, unethical (althought a handling fee would be reasonable) and maybe illegal. Try alerting the NRA. I doubt our elected representatives would be sympathetic.

This is not entirely true, it can be a big deal if I asked for it, then I should get it. They did that to us and we wanted to go into another shop the shop said the could not use that prescription because it was not all filled out.

 

[Merlin99]

How is holding a business accountable for their services bad? If they provide a bad or unethical service. Let others know and take your business elsewhere. A business such as that wont stay in business long, nor should it.

Did you read the beginning of this? There wasn't anything unethical about what the Tackle box did and I suspect they'll still be there when all the rest of us have been taxed out of the state.

 

[Chestr]

I also had a very bad experince with them as well. It was for my daughters prescription and they did the same thing. Maybe I should file a compliant. Do you know where complaint should be filed?

Yes, ma'am. You need to call the Maryland board of Optometry and request a complaint package. If you send in a serious complaint they can review it and vote on it. This is the government agency who holds the power to remove their license to practice.

Also you can file a complain with the attorney general's office.

 

[MMDad]

I will continue however, to hold businesses and service providers accountable for their actions and ensure that they live up to the SERVICES THAT THEY WILLINGLY COMMIT TO PROVIDING!!!!!!

Getting a FFL is not a commitment to provide services. They do not receive payment from the government to provide those services, and they do not agree to provide those services.

They pay for that license, and that allows them to deal across state lines if they want to. It also allows them to receive shipments if they want to. There is nothing in any regulation that says that they must provide that service. Some FFL holders do, some don't.

Do you have a driver's license? Good, I expect you to be here Monday morning and drive me to work. After all, your license allows you to drive so you owe me that service.

 

[Chestr]

Unethical business practices are harmful to the consumer and harmful to the community. It is what it is. It they're blocking us from reaching the internet market, it's unethical and illegal AS DEFINED BY LAW. Period. It's defined in BLACK AND WHITE. Not grey.

I quote - "A policy that seeks to block consumers from competition."

End of story.

Many businesses are afraid of the internet market. Blocking consumers from access to that market is unethical. PERIOD.

More and more firearms dealers are adopting this policy. Adjusting their prices and providing better customer service is more ethical and PROGRESSIVE IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC PRICE SETTING.

Do you understand these concepts? DO YOU? Do you know about laws and business ethics?

MARKET DENIAL IS ONE OF THE MAIN CAUSES OF OUR ECONOMIC DUMP. Wake up and smell the roses. These things hurt YOU.

If you can't see that, then you don't understand economics, ethics and business, or the law as it applies to businesses.

I'm sorry to be so bold and "in your face" and didn't intend any offense.

 

[preselector]

This is not entirely true, it can be a big deal if I asked for it, then I should get it. They did that to us and we wanted to go into another shop the shop said the could not use that prescription because it was not all filled out.

If the labor cost of measuring PD is included as part of the glasses fitting/sales process, then logically the PD measurement cost is not included in the prescription cost and you're asking them to provide it for free. The provider is under no obligation to separately cost the PD measurement. Sometimes you can't get what you ask for, especially when you didn't pay for it.

If the other shop that refused your prescription also includes PD measurement in the glasses fitting/sales process, they're engaged in collusion in restraint of trade. You might get what you want by pointing that out.

Or you could make it no big deal by measuring your own PD and saving your energy for the really big deals.

 

[MMDad]

Unethical business practices are harmful to the consumer and harmful to the community. It is what it is. It they're blocking us from reaching the internet market, it's unethical and illegal AS DEFINED BY LAW. Period. It's defined in BLACK AND WHITE. Not grey.

I quote - "A policy that seeks to block consumers from competition."

End of story.

Many businesses are afraid of the internet market. Blocking consumers from access to that market is unethical. PERIOD.

More and more firearms dealers are adopting this policy. Adjusting their prices and providing better customer service is more ethical and PROGRESSIVE IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC PRICE SETTING.

Do you understand these concepts? DO YOU? Do you know about laws and business ethics?

MARKET DENIAL IS ONE OF THE MAIN CAUSES OF OUR ECONOMIC DUMP. Wake up and smell the roses. These things hurt YOU.

If you can't see that, then you don't understand economics, ethics and business, or the law as it applies to businesses.

I'm sorry to be so bold and "in your face" and didn't intend any offense.

Blocked? Did they disconnect your internet connection? Were you somehow prevented from using a different dealer?

Are you too lazy to look for someone who will do what you want? Is that their fault? Or yours?

 

[Chestr]

Blocked? Did they disconnect your internet connection? Were you somehow prevented from using a different dealer?

Are you too lazy to look for someone who will do what you want? Is that their fault? Or yours?

If all firearms dealers were allowed to adopt this policy then yes, in effect they would metaphorically disconnect our internet connection and disconnect our access to other competitive markets thereby forcing us to shop at their store.

But you know that already. And you should know that practices just like this have been tested in court and lost because it undermines the spirit of competition in a free market.

Just because ONE dealer is crooked and I could hypothetically find an alternative dealer, does that make it right for him? Just because it's ONLY ONE?

Where would YOU draw the line, sir?