Veto

[forestal]

Sheepdip, that's one secret we can't keep. It will leak out one way or the other.

Exactly Mike! I agree with you 100% on this. Let the Iraqi leadership know that they have one year (or some such time line) to get their military in shape to begin taking over the operations that we currently conduct.

We'll supply them with armament they need (for a fee of course) and begin reducing our force levels as they increase theirs. If they are not prepared as agreed by the deadline, tough, we still start reducing forces. But this would all have to be kept secret from the public (press) for it to work without giving hope to the enemy and having them press harder than ever.

I think that a slow reduction in US forces and a handover to Iraqi forces cannot be seen as losing this war, but as a win as we turn it over to the nationals who should have the appropriate force levels and training by the time proposed.

I know there is probably all kinds of problems with this idea, but it is better than an absolute deadline with a complete pullout that gives our enemies the idea that they 'beat' us and the confidence to go against us anywhere, maybe even on our home turf.

 

[forestal]

Funny how some people never seem to learn from history.

And they are doomed to repeat it.

The Democrats in Congress are trying their hardest to give the U.S. another Vietnam. The reputation of the United States is at stake. Foreign diplomacy is all about perception; are you strong or weak; do you have the will power to carry through or will you buckle.

Korea should have been won. If it had been, Vietnam may not have happened. Vietnam could have and should have been won. If it had been won, the invasion of Kuwait may not have happened. If the first Gulf War had been fought to a conclusion, they second Gulf War would not have been necessary.

Each failure of our resolve brings on the next test of our resolve. The enemies, current and future, of the U.S. are watching. What they see with the Democrats in charge is a paper tiger with nothing to fear; if they stay the course, we will capitulate. Historically with a Democratically controlled Congress, it is what the U.S. does. Why shouldn't they keep going and wait for the U.S. to essentially surrender?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Usually Bush is lying,

Hey you queer, monkey screwing, child molester.

Prove my statement above is wrong. Oh wait, you can't!!! Just like you can't prove Bush lied.