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[alex]

Did anyone notice that she kept stating that Richard Clarke never told her what to do with the information he provided her? She was his boss not the other way around!!

However, I think that this commission is focusing on the wrong thing. Instead of finding out who knew what when we should be asking the hard questions of what did you think you did wrong and how would you make sure it doesn't happen again? What have you done to TRY to prevent such a thing from happening again?

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by BuddyLee
They got in an uproar over a lie about a blow job.

Don't make me go over the Paula Jones story again, please. The uproar wasn't over lying about a bj - the uproar was lying to a Grand Jury to deny a harrassment victim her day in court. It was about perjury (which is a crime) and it was about him putting pressure on others to commit perjury on his behalf, which is abuse of power.

the republicans were also being partisan in that they just asked the soft questions to Rice and paved a nice happy brick road for her to cruise on.

I disagree. I saw them asking her pertinent questions, then letting her answer them fully. The Democrats acted like cheap Hollywood lawyers, barraging her with questions, then refusing to let her answer or clarify.

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Don't make me go over the Paula Jones story again, please. The uproar wasn't over lying about a bj - the uproar was lying to a Grand Jury to deny a harrassment victim her day in court. It was about perjury (which is a crime) and it was about him putting pressure on others to commit perjury on his behalf, which is abuse of power.

I disagree. I saw them asking her pertinent questions, then letting her answer them fully. The Democrats acted like cheap Hollywood lawyers, barraging her with questions, then refusing to let her answer or clarify.

Its a shame that Bush has not been charged for his lies. I see we both disagree on what we percieved earlier today. I saw it as them asking her questions and trying to get answers to little or no avail. You saw it as them barraging her with accusations.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by alex
Did anyone notice that she kept stating that Richard Clarke never told her what to do with the information he provided her? She was his boss not the other way around!!

Okay, but keep in mind that she had just taken the office 8 months prior and certainly wasn't up to speed on everything yet. Clarke had been the security and terrorism dude since May 1998 and would have had a much better handle on things than she would have. It was up to him to keep her briefed and he obviously didn't do that, by his own testimony and the testimony of Sandy Berger.

what did you think you did wrong and how would you make sure it doesn't happen again?

One of them did ask her that and she said that communication issues between the CIA and the FBI were the problem. Had the CIA shared it's information with the FBI, the Fibbies could have known better what to look for.

She also said that, upon taking office, Bush was pushing to get these guys to work together for better intel gathering. It was just too late to prevent 9-11.

She also shared "chatter" that was picked up by Intel - the problem is it was inconclusive. Didn't say where, how, when or anything substantial. Short of rounding up all Muslims in America and putting them in concentration camps, there wasn't a whole lot they could do.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by BuddyLee
Its a shame that Bush has not been charged for his lies.

What lies?

 

[sleuth]

Is there any chance that since the Repubs were pressured into putting Rice on the stand, that we might get to put Mr. Clinton on the stand?

 

[Toxick]

Originally posted by sleuth14
Is there any chance that since the Repubs were pressured into putting Rice on the stand, that we might get to put Mr. Clinton on the stand?

Neither the democrats nor the media will ever allow that to happen. The enormous fracas that would ensue at the very suggestion would cause the mind to boggle.


I can see James Carville clutching his chest in apoplectic shock already.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by sleuth14
Is there any chance that since the Repubs were pressured into putting Rice on the stand, that we might get to put Mr. Clinton on the stand?

We already know Clinton has no problem lying under oath, so I'm not sure what good putting him on the stand would be. Besides, Sandy Berger was the NSA back then so he'd know more about it than Clinton anyway.

 

[Christy]

Originally posted by sleuth14
Is there any chance that since the Repubs were pressured into putting Rice on the stand, that we might get to put Mr. Clinton on the stand?

He already testified (behind closed doors) as will GWB.

And here's some food for thought. What IF GWB in crew had the inside info and attempted to put stricter surveillance, screening, restrictions on Muslims in or trying to come in to this country? How fast do you think the ACLU and every other free for all organization out there would have put the kabash on any of those attempts? :shrug:

I am still of the opinion that these hearings and the frothing at the mouth Ted Kennedy types, are fueling the fire of all these Islamic radicals and boosting their morale to continue to kill as many Americans as well as those citizens from countries who support us.

 

[Ken King]

Yeah, who knew what and when? It was an inherited problem by the Bush administration. Could anyone have stopped 9/11? Doubt it, it was an unparalleled attack of the type never before seen. Not enough had been done over the years to prevent it.

Clinton gave the CIA authority to take out bin Laden “by any means” somewhere around the spring of 1996. Clinton knew he was a threat and what did he do in the 5 remaining years in office? Not a darn thing. He did however initiate a visa express program with Saudi Arabia and where was it that 15 of the 19 hijackers visas indicated that they had come from?

Today we have agencies sharing information that didn’t happen before. We have taken the fight to the Taliban and are actually seeking bin Laden. We have taken out another major sore and will continue to clean up the leftovers that are acting up. We have had Libya see what could happen to them and they have disclosed their weapons programs and those that assisted them. Seems to me like we are now doing something about how we had fallen asleep on security issues over the years. After all, we can't go back and make it not happen.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Christy
And here's some food for thought. What IF GWB in crew had the inside info and attempted to put stricter surveillance, screening, restrictions on Muslims in or trying to come in to this country? How fast do you think the ACLU and every other free for all organization out there would have put the kabash on any of those attempts?

See, that's another thing that burns me up. The Dems keep harping that there wasn't enough done to prevent the attacks, but every time some Middle Easterner so much as gets searched at the airport, they scream "racial profiling" and lose their minds.

Plus that, these are the same folks who pizz and moan about "pre-emptive strikes" on Iraq. The whole thing is crazy.

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Okay, but keep in mind that she had just taken the office 8 months prior and certainly wasn't up to speed on everything yet. Clarke had been the security and terrorism dude since May 1998 and would have had a much better handle on things than she would have. It was up to him to keep her briefed and he obviously didn't do that, by his own testimony and the testimony of Sandy Berger.

One of them did ask her that and she said that communication issues between the CIA and the FBI were the problem. Had the CIA shared it's information with the FBI, the Fibbies could have known better what to look for.

She also said that, upon taking office, Bush was pushing to get these guys to work together for better intel gathering. It was just too late to prevent 9-11.

She also shared "chatter" that was picked up by Intel - the problem is it was inconclusive. Didn't say where, how, when or anything substantial. Short of rounding up all Muslims in America and putting them in concentration camps, there wasn't a whole lot they could do.

As they said the buck stops at the president. We can not blame the president for this matter or we will be blaming alot of other people. Its seems to me that you are trying to blame Clarke who supposidly told Rice about these up and coming events and wanted to urgently speak to the president to no avail. Rice was Clarke's boss the blame should go to her because she should have known better. If she was not prepared to handle this job then she should not have taken it. Eight months sure is a long time to fiddle around.

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
We already know Clinton has no problem lying under oath, so I'm not sure what good putting him on the stand would be. Besides, Sandy Berger was the NSA back then so he'd know more about it than Clinton anyway.

What do you expect from a politician let alone a lawyer:shrug:

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by BuddyLee
Eight months sure is a long time to fiddle around.

So is eight years.

 

[vraiblonde]

Here's what I'd like to know: Why didn't we have a commission to find out how the first WTC bombing happened and what we could have done to prevent it?

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
So is eight years.

Good point and this is why we should not single out just one person in particular. We all failed on that day and now we need to figure out how to succeed in the matter of terrorism.

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Here's what I'd like to know: Why didn't we have a commission to find out how the first WTC bombing happened and what we could have done to prevent it?

I think Rice would say that it was a 'tit tat' incident.

Besides 3,000 innocent civilians did not die.

 

[vraiblonde]

Digging the bottom of the barrel

CNN has Zbigniew Brzezinski on as their "security expert", giving his take on Condi's testimony today. He's not being very favorable toward her - surprise surprise.



Apparently Aaron Brown forgot that ZB didn't do such a hot job on his own watch and has a lot of nerve criticizing someone else.

 

[vraiblonde]

Lest anyone forget how bin Laden got his start.

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by vraiblonde

Who is that?

Grizzly Adams in Soviet attire?