We've been at war for 23 years...

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Beckweti

Guest
I heard this site was clickish and I now know first hand it is!! Instead of a forum it should be a personalized chat room for you and the other oldtimers on here.


Aah vrai -- get your panties out of a bunch. Must you attack every new member with your "rules of the board." Who made your board mommy anyway and what are your qualifications that allow you to tell eveyone what the supposed rules are? I need your resume. My REAL mommy always said I had a hard time following the rules!!

Regardless of what you may think (how do you know I am not an MPD?) all of this stuff about this war including your info is all just speculation and opinion from everyone who does not have first hand knowledge and get our info from suspect sources. Unless of course, you have a personal invitation to the White House and sit in on these decisions.

By the way, is there a written list of rules you can post. I mean, I sure would hate to use the wrong smiley face. :wink: :confused: :rolleyes:
 

Frank

Chairman of the Board
Originally posted by jlabsher
You know, everybody hates america now that W is prez, maybe he gave them to the french or germans.

Oh, I'm pretty sure an awful lot of those overseas who hate America are only dimly aware of who our President actually IS. And they hated America long before this. And the reasons they state, for hating America, have nothing to do with anything Bush has done - usually things like, American culture, arrogance, consumer lifestyle, support for Israel, international meddling, military presence throughout the world - and on, and on.

I'm convinced that the wave of anti-war protests - at least those across the globe - are merely an excuse for those who already hate America - or Britain. You don't deface a cemetery of Brits who died on your soil, because you love peace and wish to resolve problems diplomatically. That's just hatred.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Originally posted by Beckweti
Who made your board mommy anyway and what are your qualifications that allow you to tell eveyone what the supposed rules are? I need your resume.
:roflmao: :lmao: :roflmao: :lmao: Bluto, obviously this is a newbie or they'd know exactly why I'm the Board Mommy.

(Hint for Beck: It's self-appointed.) :wink:
 
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Beckweti

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(Hint for Beck: It's self-appointed.) :wink: [/B][/QUOTE]

DUHHH!
 

jlabsher

Sorry about that chief.
Originally posted by Frank
Oh, I'm pretty sure an awful lot of those overseas who hate America are only dimly aware of who our President actually IS. And they hated America long before this. And the reasons they state, for hating America, have nothing to do with anything Bush has done - usually things like, American culture, arrogance, consumer lifestyle, support for Israel, international meddling, military presence throughout the world - and on, and on.

I'm convinced that the wave of anti-war protests - at least those across the globe - are merely an excuse for those who already hate America - or Britain. You don't deface a cemetery of Brits who died on your soil, because you love peace and wish to resolve problems diplomatically. That's just hatred.

Chirac has publically apologized to the Queen about the cemetary incident. Of course, it is a good thing nobody in this country questions a doctor who builds a mosque with Iraqi money, or burns mosques down, or attacks Indians because they look like arabs. News flash, this country has it's share of hating yahoos too.
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
ODD

.......that people who dislike this forum so much keep coming back again...and again..and again.
 
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Beckweti

Guest
Originally posted by bluto
I heard that you weren't a newbie, now I know first hand you are not! I also heard 'clickish' was actually spelled 'cliquish', retard. Gee, you misspell it the exact same way someone else does!
:duh:


The fact that you even made these statements make you the retard. Because you really don't know do you????
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Originally posted by jlabsher
We at least know that the Iraqi civilians we have killed are free.
And how many would that be, JLab? When it gets to be more than Saddam himself has had killed, let me know and I'll show some outrage. Or are you talking about the aborted suicide bombing attempts?

I feel sorry for those people, I really do. Can you imagine Bush offering a reward to the family of anyone who will become a suicide bomber? And if he did, how many takers do you think he'd get? I hope our guys kill every single one of those sadistic freaks so the Iraqi people can live in peace and not fear.
 

Frank

Chairman of the Board
Originally posted by jlabsher
Chirac has publically apologized to the Queen about the cemetary incident. Of course, it is a good thing nobody in this country questions a doctor who builds a mosque with Iraqi money, or burns mosques down, or attacks Indians because they look like arabs. News flash, this country has it's share of hating yahoos too.

You do seem to have difficulty following a point, don't you? You made the observation that everybody hates America because Bush is president, and my point is, they already hated America - YOU could be president, and it wouldn't change anything about how they feel. The cemetery incident was to further illustrate that people are angry, and hate - they did NOT do that, because they are altruistic, love peace, and wish to resolve things diplomatically. They did it, because they ALREADY hate Brits.

Got it?
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
This may be a good spot for this

I don't know if it was posted before, and if it was, sorry.....

No matter what your views on Bush this, from an English journalist, is
very interesting.

For those of you not familiar with the UK's Daily Mirror, this is a
notoriously left-wing daily that is normally not supportive of the
Colonials across the Atlantic.

Tony Parsons Daily Mirror

One year ago, the world witnessed a unique kind of broadcasting -- the
mass murder of thousands, live on television. As a lesson in the pitiless
cruelty of the human race, September 11 was up there, with Pol Pot's
mountain of skulls in Cambodia, or the skeletal bodies stacked like
garbage in the Nazi concentration camps. An unspeakable act so cruel, so
calculated and so utterly merciless that surely the world could agree on
one thing- nobody deserves this fate. Surely there could be consensus:
the victims were truly innocent, the perpetrators truly evil.

But to the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is increasingly seen as America's
comeuppance. Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over the last year.
There has always been a simmering resentment to the USA in this country
too loud, too rich, too full of themselves and so much happier than
Europeans - but it has become an epidemic. And it seems incredible to me.

More than that, it turns my stomach.

America is this country's greatest friend and our staunchest ally. We are
bonded to the US by culture, language and blood. A little over half a
century ago, around half a million Americans died for our freedoms, as well
as their own. Have we forgotten so soon? And exactly a year ago, thousands
of ordinary men, women and children - not just Americans, but from dozens
of countries - were butchered by a small group of religious fanatics.

Are we so quick to betray them?

What touched the heart about those who died in the twin towers and on the
planes was that we recognized them. Young fathers and mothers, somebody's
son and somebody's daughter, husbands and wives, and children, some
unborn.

And these people brought it on themselves?

And their nation is to blame for their meticulously planned slaughter?

These days you don't have to be some dust-encrusted nut job in Kabul or
Karachi or Finsbury Park to see America as the Great Satan. The
anti-American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who blame
the Americans for every ill in the Third World, and conservatives
suffering from power-envy, bitter that the world's only superpower can do
what it likes without having to ask permission.

The truth is that America has behaved with enormous restraint since
September 11.

Remember, remember. Remember the gut-wrenching tapes of weeping men
phoning their wives to say, "I love you," before they were burned alive.

Remember those people leaping to their deaths from the top of burning
skyscrapers.

Remember the hundreds of firemen buried alive.

Remember the smiling face of that beautiful little girl who was on one
of the planes with her mum.

Remember, remember - and realize that America has never retaliated for
9/11 in anything like the way it could have. So a few al-Qaeda tourists got
locked without a trial in Camp X-ray? Pass the Kleenex...

So some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up after they merrily fired
their semi-automatics in a sky full of American planes? A shame, but maybe
next time they should stick to confetti.

AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the world into a parking lot.
That it didn't is a sign of strength. American voices are already being
raised against attacking Iraq - that's what a democracy is for.

How many in the Islamic world will have a minute's silence for the
slaughtered innocents of 9/11?

How many Islamic leaders will have the guts to say that the mass murder
of 9/11 was an abomination?

When the news of 9/11 broke on the West Bank, those freedom-loving
Palestinians were dancing in the street. America watched all of that and
didn't push the button.

We should thank the stars that America is the most powerful nation in
the world. I still find it incredible that 9/11 did not provoke all-out war.
Not a "war on terrorism." A real war.

The fundamentalist dudes are talking about "opening the gates of hell,"
if America attacks Iraq. Well, America could have opened the gates of hell
like you wouldn't believe. The US is the most militarily powerful nation
that ever strode the face of the earth. The campaign in Afghanistan may
have been less than perfect and the planned war on Iraq may be
misconceived.

But don't blame America for not bringing peace and light to these
wretched countries.

How many democracies are there in the Middle East, or in the Muslim world?

You can count them on the fingers of one hand assuming you haven't had
any chopped off for minor shoplifting.

I love America, yet America is hated. I guess that makes me Bush's
poodle.

But I would rather be a dog in New York City than a Prince in Riyadh.

Above all, America is hated because it is what every country wants to be
- rich, free, strong, open, optimistic. Not ground down by the past, or
religion, or some caste system. America is the best friend this country
ever had and we should start remembering that.

Or do you really think the USA is the root of all evil? Tell it to the loved
ones of the men and women who leaped to their death from the burning
towers.

Tell it to the nursing mothers whose husbands died on one of the
hijacked planes, or were ripped apart in a collapsing skyscraper.
And tell it to the hundreds of young widows whose husbands worked
for the New York Fire Department.

To our shame, George Bush gets a worse press than Saddam Hussein.

Once we were told that Saddam gassed the Kurds, tortured his own people
and set up rape-camps in Kuwait. Now we are told he likes Quality Street.

Remember, remember, September 11.

One of the greatest atrocities in human history was committed against
America.

No, do more than remember.

Never forget.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Originally posted by jlabsher
OK Ken, wrong.

Congress authorized the President to go to war, didn't direct. There is a difference. (PL107-243). In fact the law was passed based upon white house request. If I recall it took a lot of political inwrangling to get the law passed.

Really, a law doesn’t affectively “direct” compliance? Besides what I said was that “Congress directed the President to take care of the ongoing situation”, I didn’t say that they directed that he take the nation to war. My meaning was that they didn’t have a formal declaration of war; instead they pushed the task of dealing with Iraq off onto the Executive Branch. Also, there wasn’t that much wrangling around as the bill was introduced on 10/02/2002, came out of committee on 10/07/2002 and passed the House on 10/10/2002 with a vote of 296 – 133. The Senate spent only one day on the measure and it passed with a vote of 77-23. Whether the White House requested Dennis Hastert to introduce the bill or not is insignificant, the fact is that it was submitted, went through the appropriate process, and became a law that must be complied with.

Boy, I'm glad the US has never supported terrorism.....
And the significance of this statement is what?

Still haven't seen all those weapons of mass destruction, maybe saddam gave them all to his buddies Osama or Kim. You know, everybody hates america now that W is prez, maybe he gave them to the french or germans. We at least know that the Iraqi civilians we have killed are free.
So if you don’t see them they don’t exist, excellent logic there. I guess you are still in doubt as to who it was that flew into the WTC, since you weren’t there and didn’t see it.
 

Tonio

Asperger's Poster Child
Why 23 years? Why not date it from after the 1973 Yom Kippur War? The Arab countries stopped selling us oil for a while because of our support of Israel.

I see the whole conflict as being about Israel in some ways. Some of it is tied to religion. Some of it is tied to the inaccurate notion that Israel is an American client state. Malcontents in the Arab world look at the West Bank situation and see it as a rehash of Western colonialism, since most Arab nations used to be British and French colonies. They use that hogwash to get people stirred up against us.

If I were Bush and I had just won victory in Iraq, I would take Ariel Sharon to the woodshed. I would withhold all aid from Israel until all the Israeli setters move out of the West Bank and back to Israel. The Clinton and Bush administrations have publicly acknowledged the need for a separate Palestinian nation on the West Bank. That nation would have come into being long ago if it weren't for that murderer Yasser Arafat. He's a cancer on the Palestinian people.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Originally posted by Tonio
Why 23 years? Why not date it from after the 1973 Yom Kippur War? The Arab countries stopped selling us oil for a while because of our support of Israel.
And if they back it up for that then they should back it up even farther as we weren't out of Vietnam yet.

I see the whole conflict as being about Israel in some ways. Some of it is tied to religion. Some of it is tied to the inaccurate notion that Israel is an American client state. Malcontents in the Arab world look at the West Bank situation and see it as a rehash of Western colonialism, since most Arab nations used to be British and French colonies. They use that hogwash to get people stirred up against us.

If I were Bush and I had just won victory in Iraq, I would take Ariel Sharon to the woodshed. I would withhold all aid from Israel until all the Israeli setters move out of the West Bank and back to Israel. The Clinton and Bush administrations have publicly acknowledged the need for a separate Palestinian nation on the West Bank. That nation would have come into being long ago if it weren't for that murderer Yasser Arafat. He's a cancer on the Palestinian people.
You might enjoy my next column that I submitted over the weekend once it is up and running. I too think we need to re-visit our support of Israel.
 
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