what would a civil conflict look like

GURPS

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But what would a civil conflict look like if, heaven forbid, it ever came to pass again? The potential for a low-grade leftist insurgency may be the most likely scenario if it were to happen, but there is also the threat of a more substantial conflict involving paramilitary (i.e., groups of armed civilians) and even traditional military forces – right up to actual maneuver combat between blue forces that are primarily urban and red forces that are primarily rural with suburban territory mixed or contested. In that scenario, you must consider the respective correlation of forces and the territory red and blue forces would control initially to understand how this horrific situation might break down. My new book We’ll Be Back: The Fall and Rise of America examines this in detail as a cautionary example, and puts it this way:

“[T]he blues face a real challenge. They will have those massively over-extended logistical lines. It’s nice to hold cities, but if you do not also hold all the rural territory between the cities, as well as the routes to the places where you are getting your food and fuel (and holding those is a big question in itself), then you have a real problem. The stuff that keeps cities alive has to pass through Indian country, and even assuming you could convince civilian truckers to make that passage, the blue states would still have to devote a massive proportion of their forces to defending those routes. Even a small-scale campaign against those supply lines could cause chaos in the cities. Imagine the madness as soft urban professionals, unused to privation and largely disarmed, find themselves both starving and subject to the will of the strong and merciless. It’s The Road Warrior, and there is no Mad Max coming to save you.

Meanwhile, in the red areas, they are growing food. And when they eventually win, they want payback. Perhaps they might negotiate a national divorce—sort of like the converse of a shotgun wedding—or perhaps they might just channel Michael Corleone and resolve to take care of all family business at once. They would not want to risk going another round with the enemy next door. As Cato the Elder might have said, ‘Blue America delenda est.’”

Remember that a US city cut off from food – and it’s easy for even light paramilitary forces to interdict the long rural stretches of the interstates and railroads – is five days from becoming Mogadishu. Advantage: Red America.

Keep in mind that a civil conflict that spins beyond a law enforcement operation is certain to involve paramilitary forces – bands of civilians with their own private weapons while living their best Second Amendment lives by fighting against what they see as tyranny. That has happened before, and as a result we don’t drive on the left and have generally good teeth.

But we should not be glib about it. Civil wars are the least civil wars of them all. As We’ll Be Back demonstrates in shocking and graphic detail, this possible future is terrifying, and anyone telling you that systematic political violence can just be turned off is lying to you. It would change America forever, and not for the better.

 

stgislander

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...bands of civilians with their own private weapons while living their best Second Amendment lives by fighting against what they see as tyranny. That has happened before, and as a result we don’t drive on the left and have generally good teeth.
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Bluecrqbe

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Why are you folks so obsessed with civil war? Go for it, go storm an Apple store or whatever it is you think you need to do.

It’s like you don’t think you’ve already put us in a civil war, you’re taking away the rights of women, giving more and more tax cuts to the wealthy, and now threatening the right to personal privacy. Decent people will not stand for this attack on our personal liberty.
 

limblips

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PREMO Member
Why are you folks so obsessed with civil war? Go for it, go storm an Apple store or whatever it is you think you need to do.

It’s like you don’t think you’ve already put us in a civil war, you’re taking away the rights of women, giving more and more tax cuts to the wealthy, and now threatening the right to personal privacy. Decent people will not stand for this attack on our personal liberty.
So what are you doing about it? Handwringing on SOMD? Bring your best game, if you dare.
 

PJay

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you’re taking away the rights of women, giving more and more tax cuts to the wealthy, and now threatening the right to personal privacy. Decent people will not stand for this attack on our personal liberty.
Just getting started..get ready..(start packing maybe) you have no idea what's coming.

I can barely wait....
 
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Bluecrqbe

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Just getting started..get ready..(start packing maybe) you have no idea what's coming.

I can barely wait....

Packing for where? I’ve been here longer than you and so has my family.

We’re all Americans.

And what is “I can barely wait”?

That sounds like 9/11 taliban talk, what are you planning? Seriously, what are you planning?

I joked in the past that this was a terrorist cell, but now I literally have to call the CIA, FBI, and Steny. This post and all your other posts are clear, same with this topic.
 
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PJay

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Packing for where? I’ve been here longer than you and so has my family.

We’re all Americans.

And what is “I can barely wait”?

That sounds like 9/11 taliban talk, what are you planning? Seriously, what are you planning?

I joked in the past that this was a terrorist cell, but now I literally have to call the CIA, FBI, and Steny. This post and all your other posts are clear, same with this topic.
Barely wait means when Trump returns. Most sure you will not be happy.
 

PJay

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He's not done yet

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Bluecrqbe

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Barely wait means when Trump returns. Most sure you will not be happy.
Good lord, he’s not coming back.

I’m more worried about Desantis, he’s much smarter than trump, can actually get awful chit done, is only 43 but looks 58.

He’ll run circles around trump if trump runs, if trump runs in 2024 he’ll be 78, no 78 year old can keep up with a 45 year old…he’s toast.
 

WingsOfGold

Well-Known Member
Packing for where? I’ve been here longer than you and so has my family.

We’re all Americans.

And what is “I can barely wait”?

That sounds like 9/11 taliban talk, what are you planning? Seriously, what are you planning?

I joked in the past that this was a terrorist cell, but now I literally have to call the CIA, FBI, and Steny. This post and all your other posts are clear, same with this topic.
Monkey speak from the summer of love?
 

Louise

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Good lord, he’s not coming back.

I’m more worried about Desantis, he’s much smarter than trump, can actually get awful chit done, is only 43 but looks 58.

He’ll run circles around trump if trump runs, if trump runs in 2024 he’ll be 78, no 78 year old can keep up with a 45 year old…he’s toast.
I would like to see DeSantis or Trump. They both want to drain the swamp.
 

Louise

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Packing for where? I’ve been here longer than you and so has my family.

We’re all Americans
And what is “I can barely wait”
That sounds like 9/11 taliban talk, what are you planning? Seriously, what are you planning?

I joked in the past that this was a terrorist cell, but now I literally have to call the CIA, FBI, and Steny. This post and all your other posts are clear, same with this topic.
How do you know how long forum members’ families have been In the USA. I have Shawnee ancestry, and, husband has Cherokee ancestry. Please explain your comment. Thanks. Oh, and, yeah, 911 was an inside job. Thank the Bushes. Who you going to call?
 
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black dog

Free America
Packing for where? I’ve been here longer than you and so has my family.

We’re all Americans.

And what is “I can barely wait”?

That sounds like 9/11 taliban talk, what are you planning? Seriously, what are you planning?

I joked in the past that this was a terrorist cell, but now I literally have to call the CIA, FBI, and Steny. This post and all your other posts are clear, same with this topic.
How do you know how long forum members’ families have been In the USA. I have Shawnee ancestry, and, husband has Cherokee ancestry. Please explain your comment. Thanks. Oh, and, yeah, 911 was an inside job. Thank the Bushes. Who you going to call?
Oh look, two drunks posting.
 

Bare-ya-cuda

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Why are you folks so obsessed with civil war? Go for it, go storm an Apple store or whatever it is you think you need to do.

It’s like you don’t think you’ve already put us in a civil war, you’re taking away the rights of women, giving more and more tax cuts to the wealthy, and now threatening the right to personal privacy. Decent people will not stand for this attack on our personal liberty.
Ahhh hah hah….decent people! OMG, cities are under siege and being lotted by decent people. You’re spare parts bud.
 
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