What's really holding back black America

GreenHornet

New Member
I'm not a big fan of Jason Whitlock, however, this article does a great job of identifying some real issues affecting African American's. As a Black American i'm a big advocate of paving our own way and I relate to this article as I believe me and my fellow brothers and sisters can change how we are perceived.... Only WE have the power to do this.

Here's the article:

There's a reason I call them the Black KKK. The pain, the fear and the destruction are all the same.
Someone who loved Sean Taylor is crying right now. The life they knew has been destroyed, an 18-month-old baby lost her father, and, if you're a black man living in America, you've been reminded once again that your life is in constant jeopardy of violent death.
The Black KKK claimed another victim, a high-profile professional football player with a checkered past this time.
No, we don't know for certain the circumstances surrounding Taylor's death. I could very well be proven wrong for engaging in this sort of aggressive speculation. But it's no different than if you saw a fat man fall to the ground clutching his chest. You'd assume a heart attack, and you'd know, no matter the cause, the man needed to lose weight.
Well, when shots are fired and a black man hits the pavement, there's every statistical reason to believe another black man pulled the trigger. That's not some negative, unfair stereotype. It's a reality we've been living with, tolerating and rationalizing for far too long.
When the traditional, white KKK lynched, terrorized and intimidated black folks at a slower rate than its modern-day dark-skinned replacement, at least we had the good sense to be outraged and in no mood to contemplate rationalizations or be fooled by distractions.
Our new millennium strategy is to pray the Black KKK goes away or ignores us. How's that working?
About as well as the attempt to shift attention away from this uniquely African-American crisis by focusing on an alleged injustice the white media allegedly perpetrated against Sean Taylor.
Within hours of his death, there was a story circulating that members of the black press were complaining that news outlets were disrespecting Taylor's victimhood by reporting on his troubled past
No disrespect to Taylor, but he controlled the way he would be remembered by the way he lived. His immature, undisciplined behavior with his employer, his run-ins with law enforcement, which included allegedly threatening a man with a loaded gun, and the fact a vehicle he owned was once sprayed with bullets are all pertinent details when you've been murdered.
Marcellus Wiley, a former NFL player, made the radio circuit Wednesday, singing the tune that athletes are targets. That was his explanation for the murders of Taylor and Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams and the armed robberies of NBA players Antoine Walker and Eddy Curry.
Really?
Let's cut through the bull(manure) and deal with reality. Black men are targets of black men. Period. Go check the coroner's office and talk with a police detective. These bullets aren't checking W-2s.
Rather than whine about white folks' insensitivity or reserve a special place of sorrow for rich athletes, we'd be better served mustering the kind of outrage and courage it took in the 1950s and 1960s to stop the white KKK from hanging black men from trees.
But we don't want to deal with ourselves. We take great joy in prescribing medicine to cure the hate in other people's hearts. Meanwhile, our self-hatred, on full display for the world to see, remains untreated, undiagnosed and unrepentant.
Our self-hatred has been set to music and reinforced by a pervasive culture that promotes a crab-in-barrel mentality.
You're damn straight I blame hip hop for playing a role in the genocide of American black men. When your leading causes of death and dysfunction are murder, ignorance and incarceration, there's no reason to give a free pass to a culture that celebrates murder, ignorance and incarceration.
Of course there are other catalysts, but until we recapture the minds of black youth, convince them that it's not OK to "super man dat ho" and end any and every dispute by "cocking on your #####," nothing will change.
Does a Soulja Boy want an education?
HBO did a fascinating documentary on Little Rock Central High School, the Arkansas school that required the National Guard so that nine black kids could attend in the 1950s. Fifty years later, the school is one of the nation's best in terms of funding and educational opportunities. It's 60 percent black and located in a poor black community.
Watch the documentary and ask yourself why nine poor kids in the '50s risked their lives to get a good education and a thousand poor black kids today ignore the opportunity that is served to them on a platter.
Blame drugs, blame Ronald Reagan, blame George Bush, blame it on the rain or whatever. There's only one group of people who can change the rotten, anti-education, pro-violence culture our kids have adopted. We have to do it.
According to reports, Sean Taylor had difficulty breaking free from the unsavory characters he associated with during his youth.
The "keepin' it real" mantra of hip hop is in direct defiance to evolution. There's always someone ready to tell you you're selling out if you move away from the immature and dangerous activities you used to do, you're selling out if you speak proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man, do anything mainstream.
The Black KKK is enforcing the same crippling standards as its parent organization. It wants to keep black men in their place — uneducated, outside the mainstream and six feet deep.
In all likelihood, the Black Klan and its mentality buried Sean Taylor, and any black man or boy reading this could be next.


GH
 

raven

I SAID IT YES I DID !
Themselves, They are fighting each other, Killing each other and working against each other. They dont even like seeing each other. Damed if I know It maybe a black curse.
But I wish they all will Unite and get along and show love for each other.
 

Fishn Guy

That's Dr. Fishn to you..
It sure makes for some good damn jokes though....


Ever see a black guy in a sail boat.... Thats a joke in itself.... man, I slay me....
 

GreenHornet

New Member
....And those who portray this "hip hop image" and "gangsta style" affect the race as a whole. Why would any respectable establishment want to hire some kid with a made up name who can barely speak proper English a job?

Above all they create a negative image for the the race as a whole. It's not about "being who you are", it's about being "truly who you are". We're not born as punks and we all have a choice to get a good a good education and to carry oursleves in a respectable manner....

GH
 
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This_person

Well-Known Member
....And those who portray this "hip hop image" and "gangsta style" affect the race as a whole. Why would any respectable establishment want to hire some kid with a made up name who can barely speak proper English a job?

Above all they create a negative image for the the race as a whole. It's not about "being who you are", it's about being "truly who you are". We're not born as punks and we all have a choice to get a good a good education and to carry oursleves in a respectable manner....

GH
"Washington - Despite a surge in pessimism about their economic prospects, black Americans are more likely to blame individual failings – not racial prejudice – for the lack of progress by lower-income blacks, a significant change in attitudes from the early 1990s.

At the same time, black college graduates say the values of middle-class blacks are more closely aligned with those of middle-class whites than those of lower-income blacks, according to the survey released Tuesday by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center.:

Values of blacks and whites are converging, survey finds | csmonitor.com
Sounds like people like you, Bill Cosby, and a huge host of others (Steele, Rice, Powell......) are working hard to help people end the stereotypes, and bring peace and happiness to a culture that may want to fight you.

{I thought you'd like to see this thread NHBoy started, but I didn't see you participate in}
 

Fishn Guy

That's Dr. Fishn to you..
How about this...
Black people are naturally bad....
Here are a group of people who hide behind things in their past that have absolutely nothing to do with the way things are today...
White people kiss your ass.
You have no real skills.
Your good for entertainment purposes, but without that your a general drain on society as a whole.
Your the number one person picked out in a line up.
Prison is a most likely place you'll call home at some time....

Why don't people just grow out of pulp culture completely.... educate yourselves... do something with your lives....


When is the last time someone saw a professional black woman?

Condie Rice is one of the only ones....

Black Pride!!!!
 

GreenHornet

New Member
Sounds like people like you, Bill Cosby, and a huge host of others (Steele, Rice, Powell......) are working hard to help people end the stereotypes, and bring peace and happiness to a culture that may want to fight you.

{I thought you'd like to see this thread NHBoy started, but I didn't see you participate in}

Thanks for the link, I must have missed that one.

Unfortunately the fight is a losing battle because of the stronghold derived from the whole "hip hop" culture. I’ll tread lightly here as not to offend.... Hip hop culture is like an infection and it not only affects the black community but it also affects all other communities (white's included). I think we all know a white kid or two who thinks he's from the hood and dresses like a gang banger. This image is just as negative on the white culture as it is on the black culture. The African America Community is just so much more overwhelmed with the issue.

Suburban parents pass this image on to their own children and its putting a choke hold on their own children’s futures in the process.

To change perceptions and attitudes it must first start with the parents.

Without good role models for these young men and woman they'll eventually fall prey to the overwhelming peer pressure to belong. Once this happens and we all pay the price.

GH
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the link, I must have missed that one.

Unfortunately the fight is a losing battle because of the stronghold derived from the whole "hip hop" culture. I’ll tread lightly here as not to offend.... Hip hop culture is like an infection and it not only affects the black community but it also affects all other communities (white's included). I think we all know a white kid or two who thinks he's from the hood and dresses like a gang banger. This image is just as negative on the white culture as it is on the black culture. The African America Community is just so much more overwhelmed with the issue.

Suburban parents pass this image on to their own children and its putting a choke hold on their own children’s futures in the process.

To change perceptions and attitudes it must first start with the parents.

Without good role models for these young men and woman they'll eventually fall prey to the overwhelming peer pressure to belong. Once this happens and we all pay the price.

GH
I agree with you here. When the culture celebrates what most of us would consider the negative aspects, making drugs, alcohol, misogynistic actions, etc., the "desireable" things, then goodness and right lose out. You are 100% right that this negatively effects whites and blacks both. Most hip hop and rap CDs are bought by young white males, not black people. The money creates a continuation of the negative.

My hope is that people will start looking at all of the positive black role models to learn that the American dream really does exist for all citizens. Stop making the culture such that getting an education is a "white" thing (and therefore a bad thing) to do. Stop making the culture such that crime is accepted as a natural part of life. Stop making the culture such that entitlements are expectations instead of last resorts.

This is not to say that all, nor even most, black people live with these stereotypes above. The point is to say that our culture accepts the stereotypes, regardless of reality.
 

GreenHornet

New Member
I agree with you here. When the culture celebrates what most of us would consider the negative aspects, making drugs, alcohol, misogynistic actions, etc., the "desireable" things, then goodness and right lose out. You are 100% right that this negatively effects whites and blacks both. Most hip hop and rap CDs are bought by young white males, not black people. The money creates a continuation of the negative.

My hope is that people will start looking at all of the positive black role models to learn that the American dream really does exist for all citizens. Stop making the culture such that getting an education is a "white" thing (and therefore a bad thing) to do. Stop making the culture such that crime is accepted as a natural part of life. Stop making the culture such that entitlements are expectations instead of last resorts.

This is not to say that all, nor even most, black people live with these stereotypes above. The point is to say that our culture accepts the stereotypes, regardless of reality.

Well, you nailed it!

Takes a whole lot of influential people to change the Paradigm and only a few high profile individuals to stall whatever progress has been made.

This is where the so called "civil rights leaders" are failing us the most. While they're out campaining against all the perceived injustices in the black communities, the black communtities are jumping onboard creating even greater division between the races.

I wish more african americans would see this for what it really is... Without an audience people like Jess Jackson, Snoop Dog and all the other false idols would just be unemployed.
 

ImnoMensa

New Member
I saw a white guy the other day. he had piercings through his eyebrows, his cheeks his nose his lips and God knows where else that I didnt see nor do I wish to. Tattoos also, but lets just speak of the piercings for now.

Now the ones through the ears and nose held a chrome ring that was about the size of a 7/16th. inch bolt I looked at this simpleton and wondered to myself , Does this fool ever look in a mirror and see how ridiculous he looks?
How does one speak to an idiot like this without having ones attention drawn to this various and sundry crap he has hanging all over him. How can anyone hire this ding dong when some day he might have some of this dangling metal caught in a machine a rag or something else and cause himself on the job injuries.
Does this character really need attention this bad?
Certainly he cannot be living under the impression that people he comes into contact with are positively impressed by his piercings.
No: I believe he wishes to make a statement with all this crap that he doesnt care what people think of him. Yet in his subconscious he really does care, a lot.
This man needs help he is suffering from self hate.

Enough of my free Psychiatric ramblings and back to your Post.

Many black people like this fellow I describe are their own worst enemies.

Get off your azz , Stop crying and whining, get educated, show up for work on time, do your job well, stay off drugs, stop trying to look and act like a hip hopper and you will see that you will end up a success. Now this advice works for todays generation of white kids also. It works for anyone who puts forth effort at their job and doesnt just sit around waiting for "Miller Time". A person who hires you expects a days work for a days pay, give it to him.
 

Lurch

New Member
He is out of Kansas City I believe.. He can write some articles that are good, and some that are just so poorly written ! *shrugs*
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Green Hornet...

...here's my thoughts;

'Gansta' is nothing new. During prohibition we had gangsters and bling and attitude and street cred and codes and disposable women and the violence and all the rest and it all existed for one and only reason; the money that could be made breaking the law over alcohol. The corruption, the cynicism, the whole mindset that we see today is more than 80 years old.

To me, the culture, including movie's and music, are nothing more than symptoms. As long as drugs are illegal, the money and the motivation will be there to corrupt and to kill.

So, I think it is fine to point a finger at something that celebrates crime and say it is wrong but it is pointing out symptoms, not the underlying problem.

So, I say if we want the violence to stop, we legalize drugs. Some say it will cost us more and more lives destroyed by drug use. I say yeah, it will cost those that choose to use drugs dearly and their loved ones as well, but it won't cost ALL of us the cynicism and corruption.

And the violence.

If Sean Taylor was killed by some thug thing it is a thug thing that was born and breed of the corruption and cynicism of drug illegality.

Thoughts?
 

GreenHornet

New Member
...here's my thoughts;

'Gansta' is nothing new. During prohibition we had gangsters and bling and attitude and street cred and codes and disposable women and the violence and all the rest and it all existed for one and only reason; the money that could be made breaking the law over alcohol. The corruption, the cynicism, the whole mindset that we see today is more than 80 years old.

To me, the culture, including movie's and music, are nothing more than symptoms. As long as drugs are illegal, the money and the motivation will be there to corrupt and to kill.

So, I think it is fine to point a finger at something that celebrates crime and say it is wrong but it is pointing out symptoms, not the underlying problem.

So, I say if we want the violence to stop, we legalize drugs. Some say it will cost us more and more lives destroyed by drug use. I say yeah, it will cost those that choose to use drugs dearly and their loved ones as well, but it won't cost ALL of us the cynicism and corruption.

And the violence.

If Sean Taylor was killed by some thug thing it is a thug thing that was born and breed of the corruption and cynicism of drug illegality.

Thoughts?

Well, you do make some good points.....

As far as legalizing drugs this will create a huge burden on taxpayers, businesses and people who have to pay out of pocket for medical insurance. Reason being - The majority of people using drugs right now are below the poverty level.... legalizing drugs won't change who the majority of the users are and the majority of drug users don't have medical insurance. When these people OD or get infected with life threatening diseases spawned by their habit they go to the hospital and people like you and me pick up the tab. The Government will reap the benefits of whatever taxes are applied to the drugs addicts purchase and most of this money will just end up paying for government programs. Most of which will benefit a very small group of Americans at best.

Thugs HAVE been around for decades, there's no doubt about it. Today's thugs affect entire races and how they are viewed. Back during prohibition the "White" population wasn't viewed as whole as being corrupt like much of the African American population is viewed today. What's the first thing you think of when you see a young black man walking down the street wearing a way to large sweatshirt with a huge logo on it, dreadlocks and a pair of jeans hanging half way down his ass crack? I think, oh great another thug ###### probably looking to rob liquor store, why are they all like that??? This could be a kid just trying to fit in with others in his race doing nothing wrong....

People, who see this, judge the black culture as a whole because that's what we are doing to ourselves.... This is at the heart of the problem and like I said before this is what black parents need to stop allowing our young black boys and girls to do. Only we can fix this...


GH
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
...here's my thoughts;

I think it is fine to point a finger at something that celebrates crime and say it is wrong but it is pointing out symptoms, not the underlying problem.

So, I say if we want the violence to stop, we legalize drugs. Some say it will cost us more and more lives destroyed by drug use. I say yeah, it will cost those that choose to use drugs dearly and their loved ones as well, but it won't cost ALL of us the cynicism and corruption.

And the violence.

Thoughts?
I think you make a very good point comparing the times with the 1920's. I've always believed the mistake made there was going after supply instead of demand, and we are doing the same thing now with drugs. As long as there is a demand, someone will supply. Make it more dangerous to supply, and the financial rewards will be so large more people will be willing to give it a try.

Imagine an intersection with a camera recording everyone going through it for red light violations. It deters crime by constantly testing vehicles legality. No warrent, no reasonable suspision of guilt, just testing everybody. Why not do the same thing with drugs. Random testing, like a DUI checkpoint they already use now. Huge fines against people caught using. Slowly take away the demand for drugs, and the supply will dry up as well. Now, we'll solve the drug problem AND the "gangsta" problem, and help refill the state's coffers.

Green Hornet brings up another leg to this issue, though, and that's parenting. It's not limited to young black people, but certainly it's a higher percentage of young black men (especially) to not be parents to their kids. Personal responsibility and civic responsibility are learned traits, and a lack of parents instilling these traits is a large part of the problem.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Ok...

As far as legalizing drugs this will create a huge burden on taxpayers, businesses and people who have to pay out of pocket for medical insurance. Reason being - The majority of people using drugs right now are below the poverty level.... legalizing drugs won't change who the majority of the users are and the majority of drug users don't have medical insurance. When these people OD or get infected with life threatening diseases spawned by their habit they go to the hospital and people like you and me pick up the tab.

GH

...that was the same argument used to keep prohibition going; that people were too stupid to handle the freedom.

As you say, there already is a drug problem and there still are alcohol problems. The last thing we need is less personal responsibility and pointing a finger at 'legalization' as the problem is, to me, not only a huge step in the wrong direction but a huge part of the problem. People CAN choose to not destroy their lives with alcohol. People CAN choose to not destroy their lives with drugs. It's going to be harder if they aren't even expected to.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
I think...

What's the first thing you think of when you see a young black man walking down the street wearing a way to large sweatshirt with a huge logo on it, dreadlocks and a pair of jeans hanging half way down his ass crack?


...'there goes another kid'. Chances are I can't see his face because of the hoods and, chances are, it's a white kid. The clothing stereotype, like hip hop music, long ago ceased to be a black thing.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Simple...

Why not do the same thing with drugs. Random testing, like a DUI checkpoint they already use now. Huge fines against people caught using. Slowly take away the demand for drugs, and the supply will dry up as well. Now, we'll solve the drug problem AND the "gangsta" problem, and help refill the state's coffers.


...there is way too much money involved with illegal drugs and I mean for everybody; CORRUPTION. Cops, judges, lawyers, politicians. Look at what they just did; the sentence disparity for crack v. coke just got lowered. What does that tell you?

Think about it.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
...there is way too much money involved with illegal drugs and I mean for everybody; CORRUPTION. Cops, judges, lawyers, politicians. Look at what they just did; the sentence disparity for crack v. coke just got lowered. What does that tell you?

Think about it.
I don't disagree at all. The money you don't discuss also includes the empires built trying to fight the crime. Less to fight, less crime, less empire.
 

chernmax

NOT Politically Correct!!
Environment also has a lot to do with it, more blacks would succeed with better role models and a role model should not be classified as the dude who wears the most bling, has the best $4,000 rims on a $1,000 dollar car, or can rap and take it to the hoop the best. And although I love sports, too many blacks see it as there only ticket out without focusing on education then wonder how they got left behind in the ghetto when their knee, shoulder, or elbow blow out.

Bill Cosby said it best: Black parents will not think twice about buying their kids $250 dollar sneakers but cringe at the $150 dollar cost of Hooked on Phonics.

My daughter is in Middle School and we drive her to school every morning yet the school bus and transportation are free and almost 1/2 of all the absences are the black kids attending her school. So what is holding these children back knowing the education is free, transportation is free, food at school is free, and my company was one of many who donated thousands of dollars in free school supplies. It's not the kids, it's the parents period or lack there of since most have multiply kids by different fathers and no family values, just more of the same.

Heck most unwed ghetto mom's / dad's don't even give a #### about their kids, they do mostly one of 2 things. 1, If the child doesn't listen, he must have ADHD, hey I can now claim maximum benefits with a mentally challenged kid or 2, If the kid is fine, turn over custody to the grandparents so they can receive max benefits. (Saw this a lot when I volunteered with the Red Cross). And with no real family structure, 6 grandparents, 5 different baby daddy, dumb asses with 6 kids by 5 different woman, etc. etc. it's no wonder role models are almost non existent for today's ghetto youth, in particular the African Americans.

Regardless of everything, it's still no excuse for bad behavior...
 
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