when/how to shift efficiently

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My clutch just went out at 141K miles. The one owner before me ran it 40K miles around the Beltway commuting and I got another 100K miles out of it. I don't know if that's good or bad for a clutch.

i'm actually surprised you can reach the peddal :lmao:
 

bohman

Well-Known Member
My clutch just went out at 141K miles. The one owner before me ran it 40K miles around the Beltway commuting and I got another 100K miles out of it. I don't know if that's good or bad for a clutch.

Let me throw another question into this thread - I'm another first-time manual driver. About to pass 6 years & 100K miles, so I must not be doing too badly. But how will I know when the clutch is about to need replacement? Will it slip a lot, or will it be hard to get the car into gear? What are the symptoms? Since this is my first manual car, I don't know what to expect.
 

joeykcp

New Member
Let me throw another question into this thread - I'm another first-time manual driver. About to pass 6 years & 100K miles, so I must not be doing too badly. But how will I know when the clutch is about to need replacement? Will it slip a lot, or will it be hard to get the car into gear? What are the symptoms? Since this is my first manual car, I don't know what to expect.


the clutch needs to replace when it slips, if it's hard to put into gear, most likely it would be the syncro problem
 

Dye Tied

Garden Variety Gnome
Let me throw another question into this thread - I'm another first-time manual driver. About to pass 6 years & 100K miles, so I must not be doing too badly. But how will I know when the clutch is about to need replacement? Will it slip a lot, or will it be hard to get the car into gear? What are the symptoms? Since this is my first manual car, I don't know what to expect.

Mine was quite sudden. One day I noticed less pedal and within 2 more days I had very little pedal left, all of a sudden. My flywheel was also bad.
I have a six mile commute, I can't imagine 40K miles of Beltway commuting traffic being good for a clutch. My car was never hard to put into gear, the pedal went to the floor.
Clutch repair is not cheap but I want my car a few more years so I had it fixed.
 

flomaster

J.F. A sus ordenes!
I have a honda accord I purchased for $1000 bucks and has been dealer maintained from day one by the previous owner. It had 274,000 miles when i got it. Now I have 294,000 miles and have original clutch according to previous owner. he did not use the engine to slow he vehicle down ever as he felt brakes are cheaper to replace. He also slipped it out of gear while coasting to a stop in traffic. He feels all this helped the longevity of the clutch. I try to drive it the same but it took awhile to get out of the downshifting habit. Of course if I have to stop immediately I have used engine breaking to aid slow things up.
 

mrweb

Iron City
I have a honda accord I purchased for $1000 bucks and has been dealer maintained from day one by the previous owner. It had 274,000 miles when i got it. Now I have 294,000 miles and have original clutch according to previous owner. he did not use the engine to slow he vehicle down ever as he felt brakes are cheaper to replace. He also slipped it out of gear while coasting to a stop in traffic. He feels all this helped the longevity of the clutch. I try to drive it the same but it took awhile to get out of the downshifting habit. Of course if I have to stop immediately I have used engine breaking to aid slow things up.

Slipping it out of gear, WTH are you going to do if you have to all-of-the-sudden have to take some sort of evasive action...oh wait a second, I now have to push in the clutch, figure out my speed to put it in the correct gear and then....oh wait, I just hit you. IMO, if these questions are being asked, stick to an automatic transmission, please.
 

flomaster

J.F. A sus ordenes!
Slipping it out of gear, WTH are you going to do if you have to all-of-the-sudden have to take some sort of evasive action...oh wait a second, I now have to push in the clutch, figure out my speed to put it in the correct gear and then....oh wait, I just hit you. IMO, if these questions are being asked, stick to an automatic transmission, please.


I think I can be quick enough to do what i need to and smart enough to look at traffic and make the call whether or not I need to let it cost. I would not do it at 4:30 on NorthBound 235. Guess I should have been clearer about that. I was just talking about general every day driving under normal conditions. How long does it take to push a clutch in, shift into gear and get going anyway? No time at all in my opinion.
 

mrweb

Iron City
I think I can be quick enough to do what i need to and smart enough to look at traffic and make the call whether or not I need to let it cost. I would not do it at 4:30 on NorthBound 235. Guess I should have been clearer about that. I was just talking about general every day driving under normal conditions. How long does it take to push a clutch in, shift into gear and get going anyway? No time at all in my opinion.

Opinion accepted...however a tad surprised, I would have thought you were a younger driver with less experience...never been in an accident have you? Why don't you just let it coast with the clutch in while stepping on the brake without actually taking it out of gear, that's the basic design of the system.
 

flomaster

J.F. A sus ordenes!
Opinion accepted...however a tad surprised, I would have thought you were a younger driver with less experience...never been in an accident have you? Why don't you just let it coast with the clutch in while stepping on the brake without actually taking it out of gear, that's the basic design of the system.

I am 40 years old. Always heard over the years that "riding" the clutch was bad business. I would think loading up the clutch springs while coasting would add premature wear over time. Just thinking in theory. Apparently getting 294,000 miles on a single clutch, the previous owner did something right. he drove it between Pax and Fredricksburg daily for over 10 years.
 
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RadioPatrol

Guest
Let me throw another question into this thread - I'm another first-time manual driver. About to pass 6 years & 100K miles, so I must not be doing too badly. But how will I know when the clutch is about to need replacement? Will it slip a lot, or will it be hard to get the car into gear? What are the symptoms? Since this is my first manual car, I don't know what to expect.

slippage can be cause by a worn down clutch disk, oil on the surface ... had to get into gear / shift can mean a worn out throw out bearing / stretched cable / leaking hydraulic cylinder - similar to a brake master and wheel cylinder

VW Bug - Clutch Cable

Toyota PU - Juice Clutch; slave / master cylinder

new cars / trucks can have the Slave "Cylinder" in the bell housing with the clutch and bearing ......... check you maintenance manual


usually this can be changed in a weekend ......... fly wheel should be resurfaced though ....... usually making it a 2 weekend job of course front wheel drive cares are more involved ..... half shafts and more require removal rear wheel drive is a whole lot easier


:snacks:
 
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joeykcp

New Member
I am 40 years old. Always heard over the years that "riding" the clutch was bad business. I would think loading up the clutch springs while coasting would add premature wear over time. Just thinking in theory. Apparently getting 294,000 miles on a single clutch, the previous owner did something right. he drove it between Pax and Fredricksburg daily for over 10 years.

It is how I drive actually, disengage the clutch, put gear in neutral, and let the car coast to either red light or stop sign, then put in appropriate gear when needed and go along with the traffic.

When shift gear, some people engage the clutch, change gear, let the clutch out then apply the gas pedal (of course the car had to be in motion first otherwise it would stall). Some other people engage the gas pedal slowly in the same time releasing the clutch slowly to ensure smooth gear shift. I do the former, but I don't know if that minimal transistion time of the clutch release and gas depress has any effect on the parts.

but yeah, I feel the same way, brake is cheaper to replace than either clutch or transmission
 
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